Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

gmisk

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Lyndsey Graham turns on Trump lol

https://twitter.com/HKrassenstein/status/1326961441770008583?s=19

Ha ha

It seems the Lady is for turning....

WrenBoy

robinph wrote: »

25% of Trumps transition team committee was called Trump/ Kushner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_transition_of_Donald_Trump#Leadership

ok, would they benefit from war ?

gmisk

https://www.insider.com/ousted-proud-boys-underling-attempts-white-supremacist-coup-2020-11

Looks like the proud boys (at least some of them) want to drop the veneer and go full racist and white supremacist

ohnonotgmail

gmisk wrote: »

https://www.insider.com/ousted-proud-boys-underling-attempts-white-supremacist-coup-2020-11

Looks like the proud boys (at least some of them) want to drop the veneer and go full racist and white supremacist

there was never any veneer

ohnonotgmail

WrenBoy wrote: »

ok, would they benefit from war ?

they certainly benefitted personally or do you not think they did so? at least the guys put forward might be able to pass a security clearance. Kushner never did.

WrenBoy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they certainly benefitted personally or do you not think they did so? at least the guys put forward might be able to pass a security clearance. Kushner never did.

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

WrenBoy

WrenBoy wrote: »

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

You might want to check out the record arms sales they have had over the last four years.

Just because drone strikes etc aren't reported due to policy, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

ohnonotgmail

WrenBoy wrote: »

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

what do you think trump changed? do you think he "drained the swamp" as he said he would?

randd1

WrenBoy wrote: »

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

They made plenty of money the last few years from war.

They just removed the requirement to report their military strikes and losses.

WrenBoy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what do you think trump changed? do you think he "drained the swamp" as he said he would?

Do you think Umbrella Academy will get a season 4 ?

WrenBoy

DubInMeath wrote: »

You might want to check out the record arms sales they have had over the last four years.

Just because drone strikes etc aren't reported due to policy, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

But Biden is meant to be different to Trump ?

is_that_so

gmisk wrote: »

https://www.insider.com/ousted-proud-boys-underling-attempts-white-supremacist-coup-2020-11

Looks like the proud boys (at least some of them) want to drop the veneer and go full racist and white supremacist

That seems the fastest way to get on a home terrorist organisation watchlist!

hirondelle

WrenBoy wrote: »

But Biden is meant to be different to Trump ?

You were the one claiming that there would be a difference with Biden in.

WrenBoy

hirondelle wrote: »

You were the one claiming that there would be a difference with Biden in.

Hang on, so its good that Biden is like Trump ?

namloc1980

WrenBoy wrote: »

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

US foreign arms sales went up under Trump - in fact he sold more arms abroad in each year of his presidency than any previous president. This notion of Trump being the peace president is just like a lot of aspects of Trump's life - a total fabrication. Not to mention the massive expansion of drone strikes in places like Yemen and Somalia. You've been conned if you think Trump is the peace president I'm afraid.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248521/us-arms-exports/

WrenBoy

namloc1980 wrote: »

US foreign arms sales went up under Trump - in fact he sold more arms abroad in each year of his presidency than any previous president. This notion of Trump being the peace president is just like a lot of aspects of Trump's life - a total fabrication. Not to mention the massive expansion of drone strikes in places like Yemen and Somalia. You've been conned if you think Trump is the peace president I'm afraid.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248521/us-arms-exports/

Just watch in a year or 2 being anti-war will be considered far right. Looking forward to it.

namloc1980

WrenBoy wrote: »

Just watch in a year or 2 being anti-war will be considered far right. Looking forward to it.

You have said that under Biden that it is back to business as usual. Just a reminder that under Trump we've had:

- more foreign arms sales than under any president in history,
- expanded drone programmes in the Middle East and East Africa,
- removal of rules requiring transparency around civilian deaths from foreign drone strikes.

So if Biden is "back to business as usual" then thankfully we should be able to look forward to less foreign arms sales, less drone strikes and more transparency around it. I presume you welcome that?

WrenBoy

WrenBoy wrote: »

But Biden is meant to be different to Trump ?

So nothing about the record sales they have had over the last four years?

Quin_Dub

WrenBoy wrote: »

Looks like its back to business as usual for the American War machine after a 4 years with no new wars, Im sure they'll make up for lost time. Money to be made.

This trope gets trotted out repeatedly without any grounding in reality.

What "Wars" exactly did Obama start?

seamus

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

hirondelle

WrenBoy wrote: »

Hang on, so its good that Biden is like Trump ?

Did I say that? I'm pointing out that you are inconsistent in your argument.

The fact that you are blanking the comments pointing out the continued rise drone strikes and increase in armaments manufacturing in the US suggests you are not arguing in good faith. So parroting cult talking points about "starting no new wars" is a point devoid of context and meaning.

WrenBoy

WrenBoy wrote: »

Just watch in a year or 2 being anti-war will be considered far right. Looking forward to it.

Try harder.

jam_mac_jam

Pretty low bar now for the American president. Oh he's great he didn't start any new wars.

vojiwox

Thought Kayleigh saying Trump will break his post-election silence "at the right moment" was gas. Record cases, deaths up around 1500 a day again. He does realise he is still the President? He should be sacked for not appearing because he is working on his "campaign".


https://twitter.com/politico/status/1326898837223591939?s=20

namloc1980

seamus wrote: »

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

When Kayleigh McEnany waves around pages of "evidence" it's these nonsense affidavits from people like this lady that they are claiming as evidence.

jam_mac_jam

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Pretty low bar now for the American president. Oh he's great he didn't start any new wars.

America hasn't officially been at war since the second world war.

Trump losing seems to have really upset the usual conspiracy theorists and the anti foreigners crowd for some reason.

WrenBoy

namloc1980 wrote: »

You have said that under Biden that it is back to business as usual. Just a reminder that under Trump we've had:

- more foreign arms sales than under any president in history,
- expanded drone programmes in the Middle East and East Africa,
- removal of rules requiring transparency around civilian deaths from foreign drone strikes.

So if Biden is "back to business as usual" then thankfully we should be able to look forward to less foreign arms sales, less drone strikes and more transparency around it. I presume you welcome that?

Business as usual..

Biden voted for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which resulted in 7,037 American troop fatalities and 53,117 American troop injuries. About 84 percent of Afghanistan casualties (19,350 of 23,113) occurred under Obama/Biden, while 95 percent of Iraq casualties (35,182 of 37,041) occurred under Bush/Cheney. Only 1 percent of all casualties occurred under Trump/Pence.

After eight years of Obama/Biden The Institute for Economics and Peace’s Global Peace Index reported a decade-long decline in peace, with terrorism at an all-time high, battle deaths from conflict at a 25-year high and the number of refugees at a level not seen in 60 years.

The U.S. State Department reported a 34 percent growth in foreign terrorist organizations since Obama/Biden took office in 2009, with about 75 percent of them operating in Muslim-majority countries.
and decisions detrimentally affected the U.S. economy, U.S. national security, and international peace and security.

Freedom House reported that as of 2016, global freedom had declined for 10 consecutive years, with press freedom at its lowest point in 12 years. Of the world’s 7.3 billion people at the time, only 40 percent lived in freedom and only 13 percent enjoyed a free press.

The Obama/Biden reset policy with Russia (2009-2013) backfired as Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and entered the Syria civil war in 2015, which eventually allowed the Kremlin to establish long-term agreements for a Russian airbase and seaport in that country.

The administration’s Libyan misadventure turned into a disaster, with four American diplomats murdered in Benghazi and Libya becoming a failed state.

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, raised serious questions about Biden’s security judgments. In his 2014 book, “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” Gates wrote that “he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

Criticising Biden is not support of Trump and all his policies. Will any criticism of Joe in the future be answered with well you must be a far right Trumpist Racist ?

drogon.

seamus wrote: »

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

Surely there she should realise they would have CCTV to disprove her. It is really embarrassing at this point.

WrenBoy

DubInMeath wrote: »

Try harder.

good one

Quin_Dub

WrenBoy wrote: »

Business as usual..

Biden voted for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which resulted in 7,037 American troop fatalities and 53,117 American troop injuries. About 84 percent of Afghanistan casualties (19,350 of 23,113) occurred under Obama/Biden, while 95 percent of Iraq casualties (35,182 of 37,041) occurred under Bush/Cheney. Only 1 percent of all casualties occurred under Trump/Pence.

After eight years of Obama/Biden The Institute for Economics and Peace’s Global Peace Index reported a decade-long decline in peace, with terrorism at an all-time high, battle deaths from conflict at a 25-year high and the number of refugees at a level not seen in 60 years.

The U.S. State Department reported a 34 percent growth in foreign terrorist organizations since Obama/Biden took office in 2009, with about 75 percent of them operating in Muslim-majority countries.
and decisions detrimentally affected the U.S. economy, U.S. national security, and international peace and security.

Freedom House reported that as of 2016, global freedom had declined for 10 consecutive years, with press freedom at its lowest point in 12 years. Of the world’s 7.3 billion people at the time, only 40 percent lived in freedom and only 13 percent enjoyed a free press.

The Obama/Biden reset policy with Russia (2009-2013) backfired as Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and entered the Syria civil war in 2015, which eventually allowed the Kremlin to establish long-term agreements for a Russian airbase and seaport in that country.

The administration’s Libyan misadventure turned into a disaster, with four American diplomats murdered in Benghazi and Libya becoming a failed state.

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, raised serious questions about Biden’s security judgments. In his 2014 book, “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” Gates wrote that “he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

Criticising Biden is not support of Trump and all his policies. Will any criticism of Joe in the future be answered with well you must be a far right Trumpist Racist ?

And which of those are Wars that Obama started????