Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

WrenBoy

hirondelle wrote: »

Did I say that? I'm pointing out that you are inconsistent in your argument.

The fact that you are blanking the comments pointing out the continued rise drone strikes and increase in armaments manufacturing in the US suggests you are not arguing in good faith. So parroting cult talking points about "starting no new wars" is a point devoid of context and meaning.

Drone strikes bad new wars bad increasing influence of Gun dealers and war profiteers in Government = bad. Cult talking points I suppose. Is every thing black and white with you ? Is any criticism of Biden allowed ?

Seanachai

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Lyndsey Graham turns on Trump lol

https://twitter.com/HKrassenstein/status/1326961441770008583?s=19

I think this is referring to Graham saying Biden should receive the intelligence briefings, it's a bit of a stretch to say he's endorsing him.

jam_mac_jam

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And which of those are Wars that Obama started????

And which did he finish?

Professor Moriarty

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

And which did he finish?

Who knows? Good news is that Trump's presidency is crumbling as we speak. Great isn't it?

km991148

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This trope gets trotted out repeatedly without any grounding in reality.

What "Wars" exactly did Obama start?

It's just more fud from/about Trump being the 'President of Peace', which is clearly horsesh!t, especially as he has Presided over the most divided America that I can remember.

Narcissistic types often out out these confusing mixed messages.

hotmail.com

DubInMeath wrote: »

America hasn't officially been at war since the second world war.

Trump losing seems to have really upset the usual conspiracy theorists and the anti foreigners crowd for some reason for some reason.

The main function of the office of the US presidency is foreign affairs, foreign relations and war and peace matters.

That's the way America was set up. And it hasn't changed.

Only in the 20th century did the office become a cultural/symbolic office, similar to a monarchy.

Tony EH

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It shows how little he does.

His level of effort is not a measure of how much work is required to be President.

He's a frontman, designed to sell a product, which he did. He sold bull**** to loads of people who were willing to lap it up, no questions asked. He says the lies people want to hear, like draining swamps, tackling Wall St. and bringing jobs back from abroad.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, his string pullers pile in as much of the opposite as they can, largely unnoticed.

Trump did the job he was asked of the Republican Party.

Tony EH

Billy Mays wrote: »

Any update on the Hunter Biden laptop scandal?

DrumSteve wrote: »

That was covered in the Season Finale on November 4th.

Was that the episode entitled 'Red Herring'?

gmisk

seamus wrote: »

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

That is genuinely hilarious....smoking gun...lol

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

seamus wrote: »

Trump's "smoking gun" witness of fraud in Michigan.

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

It's short and worth a listen to give you a chuckle.

She alleges that a number of vans came to the count centre and unloaded loads of ballots. She was told it was food for the counters, but says it definitely wasn't because one van couldn't hold enough food for everyone, because she couldn't see what was being unloaded, and it was unloaded out the back of the van.

Personally, I’m forever indebted to her for explaining what 24 hours means. Cheers, Mellissa!

WrenBoy

WrenBoy wrote: »

Business as usual..

Biden voted for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which resulted in 7,037 American troop fatalities and 53,117 American troop injuries. About 84 percent of Afghanistan casualties (19,350 of 23,113) occurred under Obama/Biden, while 95 percent of Iraq casualties (35,182 of 37,041) occurred under Bush/Cheney. Only 1 percent of all casualties occurred under Trump/Pence.

After eight years of Obama/Biden The Institute for Economics and Peace’s Global Peace Index reported a decade-long decline in peace, with terrorism at an all-time high, battle deaths from conflict at a 25-year high and the number of refugees at a level not seen in 60 years.

The U.S. State Department reported a 34 percent growth in foreign terrorist organizations since Obama/Biden took office in 2009, with about 75 percent of them operating in Muslim-majority countries.
and decisions detrimentally affected the U.S. economy, U.S. national security, and international peace and security.

Freedom House reported that as of 2016, global freedom had declined for 10 consecutive years, with press freedom at its lowest point in 12 years. Of the world’s 7.3 billion people at the time, only 40 percent lived in freedom and only 13 percent enjoyed a free press.

The Obama/Biden reset policy with Russia (2009-2013) backfired as Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and entered the Syria civil war in 2015, which eventually allowed the Kremlin to establish long-term agreements for a Russian airbase and seaport in that country.

The administration’s Libyan misadventure turned into a disaster, with four American diplomats murdered in Benghazi and Libya becoming a failed state.

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, raised serious questions about Biden’s security judgments. In his 2014 book, “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” Gates wrote that “he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

Criticising Biden is not support of Trump and all his policies. Will any criticism of Joe in the future be answered with well you must be a far right Trumpist Racist ?

Russia has had a naval base in Syria since the 70s and has always been their main arms supplier

Plenty of people criticized the intervention in Lybia but the growth of Islamic groups can be traced back further to the previous bush sr and Regan administration's and Russian involvement in Afghanistan.

As for freedom of the press, mainly right wing and left wing countries.

As for supporting trump/racism etc, yep for some that's why they support him. As for posters on here, well their post history speaks for their opinions.

Don't know if Biden will be responsible for involving the U.S. in any police actions or other armed interventions, during his tenure, but he might not pretend that he isn't doing something that he actually is, unlike trump.

Ronin247

Carfacemandog wrote: »

He should've just done a Matt Gaetz and pretended the 12 year old Hispanic male teenager mysteriously living in his home was his "son" (who he had earlier claimed was a "student" and later a "helper").

In a thread about all the bullsh1t around the election, for some reason this is one of the strangest "facts" thrown out here.

Tony EH

drogon. wrote: »

Word has it Donald may try to run again in 2024. Question is will the Republican's allow him ?

He could run as an Independent, But I am sure it will split the current Republican vote by half. Many Republicans probably voted for him due to the stance the Democrats take with regards to abortion and what they see it as socialism like health care for all. Will be interesting to see how many would choose Trump as a independent candidate vs someone else from the Republican Party.

The Democrats would love nothing better than that. He'd take millions of morons away from the Republicans and reduced their vote even further.

The Dems could put a picture Minnie Mouse up as a candidate and still romp home.

km991148

Tony EH wrote: »

The Democrats would love nothing better than that. He'd take millions of morons away from the Republicans and reduced their vote even further.

The Dems could put a picture Minnie Mouse up as a candidate and still romp home.

It might actually happen, and you know what they (republicans) would fully deserve it. Make a deal with the devil then you gotta be careful.

Tony EH

randd1 wrote: »

They made plenty of money the last few years from war.

They just removed the requirement to report their military strikes and losses.

How often does this have to be repeated?

Carfacemandog

Ronin247 wrote: »

In a thread about all the bullsh1t around the election, for some reason this is one of the strangest "facts" thrown out here.

Ha, good point. They are now a teenager, but began living alone with with Gaetz as a 12 year old. No parents, no siblings, no relatives or contacts at all living there with them. Just then 12 year old Nestor, and adult Matt Gaetz whose story on his relation with the child kept changing through the years.

hirondelle

WrenBoy wrote: »

Drone strikes bad new wars bad increasing influence of Gun dealers and war profiteers in Government = bad. Cult talking points I suppose. Is every thing black and white with you ? Is any criticism of Biden allowed ?

Where have I commented on Biden on this? Your choice to single out the Dems as the warmongers falls a bit flat given that Trump is a Republican president and you should therefore include the fact (for example) that your quoted Global Peace Index has been increasing overall since 2008. Both parties engage in the business of war. You are clearly trying to hive off the "normal" US military activity from declarations of war as if Trump is some paragon of pacifism- the US is directly and indirectly killing people in other countries so quit the declaration of war bullsh*t.

Boggles

WrenBoy wrote: »

But Biden is meant to be different to Trump ?

hirondelle

Boggles wrote: »

Very good- I had forgotten he could bust some moves to tunes other than YMCA. He is clearly delighted to be sharing that cultural experience!

Tony EH

km991148 wrote: »

It might actually happen, and you know what they (republicans) would fully deserve it. Make a deal with the devil then you gotta be careful.

It might. I doubt it though.

The Republicans will do everything in their power to prevent it too. it wouldn't be in their best interests.

And while 60 mil Americans may have voted for Trump, a huge proportion did so simply because he was the Republican ticket and that's all that matters to that demographic. But they won't be following him to a new political party, that's for sure.

No, I'd say the next step for Trump is setting up his own political propaganda machine. He's seen how easy it is to fool some gobshites by merely saying any old hot air at all, so he's not going to give up that grift. Watch out for a Breitbart type organisation popping up, but with Trump at its helm.

It'll be "independent" :pac: , so therefore reliant on the funds of fools. The same fools who went around chanting "fraud" the last few weeks because the orange man said so.

WrenBoy

hirondelle wrote: »

Where have I commented on Biden on this? Your choice to single out the Dems as the warmongers falls a bit flat given that Trump is a Republican president and you should therefore include the fact (for example) that your quoted Global Peace Index has been increasing overall since 2008. Both parties engage in the business of war. You are clearly trying to hive off the "normal" US military activity from declarations of war as if Trump is some paragon of pacifism- the US is directly and indirectly killing people in other countries so quit the declaration of war bullsh*t.

Ah I get it whatever Biden and the US does going forward is A-ok because Trump. Class.

ohnonotgmail

WrenBoy wrote: »

Do you think Umbrella Academy will get a season 4 ?

question too hard for you?

ohnonotgmail

drogon. wrote: »

Surely there she should realise they would have CCTV to disprove her. It is really embarrassing at this point.

there is nothing to disprove. she didn't see anything.

Boggles

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is nothing to disprove. she didn't see anything.

Yeah, but she heard about a van.

I think the Judge needs to hear her out.

WrenBoy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

question too hard for you?

Nah just not doing the whole diversion thing , sound.

hirondelle

WrenBoy wrote: »

Ah I get it whatever Biden and the US does going forward is A-ok because Trump. Class.

Good man, you are twisting words I haven't written. Engage in good faith or not at all. I have not said anything indicating preference to Biden or stating that the Democrats will do anything other than the same all recent US regimes, whether war is declared or not, Trump did nothing to dismantle the military industrial complex.
I am also pointing out that you are trying to paint a false picture of the reality of Trump's single term as being a peaceful one.

DrumSteve

Boggles wrote: »

Can someone put the YMCA over that

WrenBoy

hirondelle wrote: »

Good man, you are twisting words I haven't written. Engage in good faith or not at all. I have not said anything indicating preference to Biden or stating that the Democrats will do anything other than the same all recent US regimes, whether war is declared or not, Trump did nothing to dismantle the military industrial complex.
I am also pointing out that you are trying to paint a false picture of the reality of Trump's single term as being a peaceful one.

When did I say Trumps presidency was fully peaceful ? I pointed out something in the news about Bidens appointments and the conversation went straight to ya but what about Trump.

Boggles

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1326938161893822467

:pac:

MeMen2_MoRi_

WrenBoy wrote: »

Nah just not doing the whole diversion thing , sound.

It's not about diversion, you mistakenly think that Don has done things differently then the guy/guys before him and that will come after him..

You're wrong.

Trying to get on the higher horse in an equal race is some fallacy.