Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

nolivesmatter

namloc1980 wrote: »

Anyway there'll be plenty of time to criticise and scrutinise Biden over the next 4 years and unlike the Trump supporters who refuse to criticise him no matter what he does, as someone who wanted Biden to win I would not hesitate to criticise him or his administration's decisions over the 4 years where warranted. I'd be surprised if we see Biden supporters defending him to the last like we have seen and are seeing Trumpists doing for their man.

It'll be interesting to watch. I suppose it'll take some time for people to get used to having a more traditional president before they become aware of his more subtle flaws.

namloc1980

nolivesmatter wrote: »

It'll be interesting to watch. I suppose it'll take some time for people to get used to having a more traditional president before they become aware of his more subtle flaws.

Of course we'll have the Trump supporters sniping at every little thing once January 20th comes around.

I also expect things like the National Debt and budget deficits to suddenly become hot topics even though Republicans and MAGA devotees ignored it for the last 4 years.

everlast75

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I can understand people disliking any Trump supporters who were assholes in the past. But I've seen bad faith and good faith criticisms of Biden treated the same manner. Not everyone with these criticisms was a pro-Trump fan acting like an asshole for 4 years. In fact a lot people on here thought Biden in and of himself was a crappy candidate for the Democrats.

If you read my post, I said Trump supporters.

If they didn't call out 45 for behaving like an a hole, then frankly their opinion means nothing to me.

I will listen to those that acted appropriately

nolivesmatter

everlast75 wrote: »

If you read my post, I said Trump supporters.

If they didn't call out 45 for behaving like an a hole, then frankly their opinion means nothing to me.

I will listen to those that acted appropriately

I did read your post. I said regardless of whether someone acted like an asshole for 4 years or not, Trump supporter or not, the response has been the same.

hometruths

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I can understand people disliking any Trump supporters who were assholes in the past. But I've seen bad faith and good faith criticisms of Biden treated the same manner. Not everyone with these criticisms was a pro-Trump fan acting like an asshole for 4 years. In fact a lot people on here thought Biden in and of himself was a crappy candidate for the Democrats.

And a lot of Democrats in the US also thought he was crappy candidate. In 1998, 2008 and 2020.

Quin_Dub

I've said this before , but Biden is a "Horses for Courses" candidate.


Is he the guy to "fix" US politics? - No
Is he the guy that gets people excited? - No
Is he a "change" agent? - No , but sort of yes, which I'll get to.

But - He was the only person on the Democrat side with the requisite name recognition and the Centre/Right credentials capable of beating Trump in 2020. Any of the others simply would not have flipped those rust belt states back. Just was not going to happen.

So , he was the man for the job at hand , beating Trump.

Which he has delivered - His job over the next 4 years is to help the rest of the Democrat party learn how to connect better with Rural America etc.

He is the one that can start to help to teach them that Democrats are not going to steal Guns/Religion/Christmas or whatever other ridiculous tropes are thrown out by the GOP.

His achievement over the next four years will be to help the US understand that "Social Democrat" does not mean "Communism" or "Venezuela style government" etc.

Wide scale availability of affordable Health-care and Education are not Communism.

ohnonotgmail

schmittel wrote: »

And a lot of Democrats in the US also thought he was crappy candidate. In 1998, 2008 and 2020.

And yet they all voted for him in massive numbers. the best numbers. numbers that have never been seen before.

Zubeneschamali

nolivesmatter wrote: »

So? "but Trump is worse" can't be the answer to every Biden criticism.

Soon there will be a thread which is just about President Biden, and there people saying "what about Trump" will be yelled at, and the OP will have a warning attached to say shut up about Trump, talk about Biden.

But this is not that thread.

hometruths

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

And yet they all voted for him in massive numbers. the best numbers. numbers that have never been seen before.

For sure. This year he was the least crappy candidate.

This election was about voting for or against Donald Trump, nothing to do with Biden's policies or personality. More people wanted to vote against Trump so Joe got the best numbers, numbers that have never been seen before.

That wont count for much when the media turn on him once they've got over the relief of Trump's departure. I think he'll have a tough time.

ohnonotgmail

schmittel wrote: »

For sure. This year he was the least crappy candidate.

This election was about voting for or against Donald Trump, nothing to do with Biden's policies or personality. More people wanted to vote against Trump so Joe got the best numbers, numbers that have never been seen before.

That wont count for much when the media turn on him once they've got over the relief of Trump's departure. I think he'll have a tough time.

He had 8 years as vice-president and decades in the senate. He'll manage.

hmmm

The law firm handling Trump's Pennsylvania legal challenges have resigned. Legal firms don't turn down money very often.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html

BorneTobyWilde

Trump just now

''what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!

BorneTobyWilde

How can't you have it both ways.

VinLieger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How can't you have it both ways.

Cognitive dissonance and narcissism go hand in hand

duploelabs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html

Law firm representing trump's election campaign in pennsylvania quits

namloc1980

duploelabs wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html

Law firm representing trump's election campaign in pennsylvania quits

Some firms don't want the reputational damage that comes with filing frivolous lawsuits on behalf of, and generally being associated with, Trump and his conspiracy theories.

VinLieger

namloc1980 wrote: »

Some firms don't want the reputational damage that comes with filing frivolous lawsuits on behalf of, and generally being associated with, Trump and his conspiracy theories.

Not just with clients but with the judges, more and more judges are very openly threatening the lawyers in these cases with their barr licenses for bringing these joke cases into their courts.

These firms will have to bring cases before these judges in the future and dont need the judges to have a bad impression of them.

Timberrrrrrrr

drogon. wrote: »

Word has it Donald may try to run again in 2024. Question is will the Republican's allow him ?

He could run as an Independent, But I am sure it will split the current Republican vote by half. Many Republicans probably voted for him due to the stance the Democrats take with regards to abortion and what they see it as socialism like health care for all. Will be interesting to see how many would choose Trump as a independent candidate vs someone else from the Republican Party.

He would probably do it just as an FU to the Republican Party for turning on him and not backing him now.

randd1

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump just now

''what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!

If he ever understood irony his head might actually explode, or at least develop a serious aneurism.

Boggles

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327279929319432200

jmayo

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump just now

''what a wonderful job the Trump Administration did in making 2020 the most secure election ever. Actually this is true, except for what the Democrats did. Rigged Election!

This is why I reckon Twitter was one of the worst ever inventions.

It gives an easy open platform to morons.

Silent Running

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He would probably do it just as an FU to the Republican Party for turning on him and not backing him now.

I can see it now Trump-West 2024. What a ticket.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327279929319432200

That's seriously bonkers.

Carfacemandog

Deleted User wrote: »

That's seriously bonkers.

It's a copy/paste of the mindsets we see in this thread every day. Or... Used to, where did most of the loud and proud trump supporters go over the last 10 or so days?

namloc1980

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It's a copy/paste of the mindsets we see in this thread every day. Or... Used to, where did most of the loud and proud trump supporters go over the last 10 or so days?

Banned, rereg and banned again.

Fiery mutant

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327279929319432200

The mental gymnastics involved in that tweet is mind blowing.

Dr. Bre

Silent Running wrote: »

I can see it now Trump-West 2024. What a ticket.

Fred West ?

meep

Brian Tyler Cohen is a leftie YouTuber, but, unlike a lot of them, not a complete looney. I've found his analysis to be relatively sober and well considered and find him to be a good touchstone for the logical left pov.

Anyway, here's short offering from him that packs a lot of info into a short enough clip. Turns out the Republican officials in PA are refuting all the Trump nonsense, on Fox of all places;

https://youtu.be/P5PCZJxuvhY

Just thought that was a good summary of where everything seems to be at.

Leroy42

Interesting article in Politico about the election fraud claims

This bit makes perfect sense to me;

The shocking lack of specifics, which Trump’s critics mock as laughably unserious for something so consequential, is not a deficiency. It is the feature of his strategy.
Trump is not making a narrow, surgical, legally feasible case to enhance his chances to still be living in the White House come January 21. (That’s … improbable.) He’s not doing this, either, to win the argument. (It’s almost mathematically impossible.) He’s doing it, say political strategists, longtime Trump watchers and experts on authoritarian tactics, to sow doubt, save face and strengthen even in defeat his lifeblood of a bond with his political base.

. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/13/trumps-crazy-and-confoundingly-successful-conspiracy-theory-436404

And it goes with all the tidbits we are hearing, the slow move to accepting the defeat and moving on, grudgingly, to Biden. But Trump needs to maintain the view that he isn't a loser, it was stolen. That allows the money to keep rolling in, and the view that there really is a majority in the states that want Trump, just that the votes were stolen.

valoren

He's like LaMotta in Raging Bull after taking a pummelling from Sugar Ray. "You never got me down Ray!"

Lost the fight but in his own head he "won".