Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Patrick2010

Kidchameleon wrote: »

He did indeed:

"As a result of operation Warpspeed, Pfizer announced that its China Virus vaccine is more than 90% effective. This far exceeds any and all expectations - nobody thought they would get to that level... in July my administration reached an agreement with Pfizer to provide 1.95 billion dollars to support the mass manufacturing and distribution of 100 million doses with the option to purchase 600 million doses thereafter. Our investment will make it possible for the vaccine to be provided by Pfizer free of charge."

I can see this playing out like so... If the vaccine (that was made possible by President Trump) is effective, Biden will take all the credit. If Bidens planned nationwide shutdown goes ahead, he will blame the inevitable economic catastrophe on President Trump.

It’s interesting the influence Trump has had in encouraging lying. You only have to google the post and you will see that it’s completely false to say the US invested anything in developing a vaccine but yet Trump claimed credit for it.
Kayleigh waves lots of pages on Fox News showing proof of how her boss was robbed but amazingly none of Trumps lawyers can produce anything in court in their numerous cases.

VinLieger

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Most likely single dose for starters. Less possible storage and transport difficulties too.

People have to return for a second Pfizer dose and the vaccine must be kept on storage at minus 70 c. This is a logistical nightmare. It's a good start but not good enough on a global scale.

J+J have admitted that the one shot may not work and that a 2nd could be required down the line.

Also what you forgot to mention is the mRna vaccines are far easier to produce as they dont need to be cultivated. Since viral vector and protein based both need to be grown the scale and timeframe is far more complex and hardly any less a logistical issue than the storage of the Pfizer vaccine which can be created at a large scale far easier and faster.

Another thing is that yes Pfizers requires a -70 storage but Modernas mRna vaccine which will be delivering results soon only requires -4 so as usual you are being incredibly selective with your facts.

Kidchameleon

Patrick2010 wrote: »

It’s interesting the influence Trump has had in encouraging lying. You only have to google the post and you will see that it’s completely false to say the US invested anything in developing a vaccine but yet Trump claimed credit for it.
Kayleigh waves lots of pages on Fox News showing proof of how her boss was robbed but amazingly none of Trumps lawyers can produce anything in court in their numerous cases.

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

gmisk

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

No.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-funded-by-trump/

"In short, the government intended to buy doses of a vaccine from Pfizer once an effective vaccine was made available, but it did not fund the research and development of Pfizer’s vaccine".

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

It's interesting that you avoided a fact check, they partnered with Germany. The 1.95 billion is in reference to the US who signed a deal to purchase a hundred million doses if it works. That was in July, the money only arrives if it work. They did not participate in warp speed.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-76d1580f82b1586b207990396c1e3b5f

Have you accepted he's lost yet btw?

Cody montana

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

Have you heard of google?

Patrick2010

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

No, give it up, your man lost, accept it.

ChikiChiki

Patrick2010 wrote: »

It’s interesting the influence Trump has had in encouraging lying. You only have to google the post and you will see that it’s completely false to say the US invested anything in developing a vaccine but yet Trump claimed credit for it.
Kayleigh waves lots of pages on Fox News showing proof of how her boss was robbed but amazingly none of Trumps lawyers can produce anything in court in their numerous cases.

Ah yeah, the same Kayleigh that handed an interviewer a huge book of blank pages supposedly detailing Trumps accomplishments and had a photographer lined up to take a picture and insta tweet.

She's an absolute narcissistic devious moron.

y0ssar1an22

VinLieger wrote: »

Democrats have never claimed the 2016 election was rigged, your confusing this with the claims it was "interfered with" specifically via russian money and propaganda on social media, they both alter the election but in very different ways.

Rigged implies institutional corruption to change peoples votes between the polling station and the count centre or just adjust the results themselves.

rigged/interfered with. it all amounts to the same - trying to delegitimize him. trump was never accepted as the president by the dems for the past 4 years.

y0ssar1an22

Graham wrote: »

No, they're really not.

One is outside sources attempting to influence the public.

The other is corrupt insiders fiddling the results.

Why would anyone pretend they are the same?

so its alright for internal (to the US) sources to attempt to influence the public?

y0ssar1an22

Hoop66 wrote: »

No they are not.

One is claiming, with plenty of evidence, that malicious actors played a part in the outcome of the 2016 election by using social media etc.
The other is claiming, without any evidence, that the core of American democracy, the voting system, is corrupt and able to be manipulated for political gain.

If you can’t see the difference, then perhaps discussions on politics are not for you?

how much influence do you think social media has?

duploelabs

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

rigged/interfered with. it all amounts to the same - trying to delegitimize him. trump was never accepted as the president by the dems for the past 4 years.

They're not the same as was previously pointed out. Just because you don't understand that doesn't make it anything less than a valid difference

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

rigged/interfered with. it all amounts to the same - trying to delegitimize him. trump was never accepted as the president by the dems for the past 4 years.

Election interference by Russia is an established fact so they don't amount to the same thing.

y0ssar1an22

everlast75 wrote: »

This is, no doubt, a guy some on here listen to as the truth teller - Lou Dobbs.

Notwithstanding the fact that he's full of BS, he is fuming that the GOP aren't doing enough to help trump.

Nunes is a weasel. His response is... bizarre.

It is great watching them turn on each other

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1327383182661054465?s=19

whats parlour and rumble?

Sonics2k

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did Pfizer receive 1.95 billion dollars from Operation Warp Speed? If so, how in the name of bejaysus did that not help them develop the vaccine?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

"Operation Warp Speed is a public–private partnership, initiated by the Trump administration, to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

Man, when will you just step back and realize Trump has been lying to you for years now. Yeah it sucks, you're not a liberal and not a fan of the left, but Trump is not the conservative people have made him out to be. He's deceptive, he's incredibly selfish and doesn't care about the people of the US. At best he cares about his supporters, which is an awful thing in any leader.

We both know if he won this election he'd dismiss and never comment on the possibility of fraud, but now that he's lost he'll do anything to get more money. Hell, the fund he's set up to help with the legal costs isn't even going to the legal costs.

There's nothing wrong with admitting you made a mistake and backed the wrong guy, it's just being human.

y0ssar1an22

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Biden and the Democrats produced a 100 page policy platform for their convention.

Trump and the Republicans produced a one pager that said their policy was whatever Trump says.

100 pages of nonsense.

raise corporation tax.

stop defending the southern boarder. how bonkers is that!

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

duploelabs

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

100 pages of nonsense.

raise corporation tax.

stop defending the southern boarder. how bonkers is that!

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

Cognative Bias much?

Cody montana

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

100 pages of nonsense.

raise corporation tax.

stop defending the southern boarder. how bonkers is that!

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

The monster.
Have you read the 100 pages?

Trump has run up 7 trillion in debt in only 4 years.
They have to do something.
Where did Biden say he'll stop defending the BORDER?

ExMachina1000

VinLieger wrote: »

J+J have admitted that the one shot may not work and that a 2nd could be required down the line.

Also what you forgot to mention is the mRna vaccines are far easier to produce as they dont need to be cultivated. Since viral vector and protein based both need to be grown the scale and timeframe is far more complex and hardly any less a logistical issue than the storage of the Pfizer vaccine which can be created at a large scale far easier and faster.

Another thing is that yes Pfizers requires a -70 storage but Modernas mRna vaccine which will be delivering results soon only requires -4 so as usual you are being incredibly selective with your facts.

My facts?

I didn't mention moderna. I spoke about JandJ who are the world's biggest pharmaceutical company. You added in Moderna and brought the goal posts with you.

Pfizer vaccine needs 2 doses within 3 weeks and possibly booster shots inbetween. Coupled with unrealistic for most storage requirements it's not the most practical.

That is all

y0ssar1an22

duploelabs wrote: »

Cognative Bias much?

not sure what that means. i googled it and am still non the wiser! who knows, maybe that the problem :P

those 3 points i made are true or not, surely that's the only thing that matters.

y0ssar1an22

Cody montana wrote: »

The monster.
Have you read the 100 pages?

Trump has run up 7 trillion in debt in only 4 years.
They have to do something.
Where did Biden say he'll stop defending the BORDER?

trump was building a wall to stop illegal immigration. biden has said that wall will be no longer be built. if that's not an invitation i don't know what is

from his website:

End the so-called National Emergency that siphons federal dollars from the Department of Defense to build a wall

A wall is not a serious deterrent for sophisticated criminal organizations that employ border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology to overcome physical barriers at the border


its grand though if you are not a sophisticated criminal organisation. Come on in guys!

astrofool

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

stop parent and child separation for illegals. a policy biden implemented!

False, donny's administration implemented the policy:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

If you want to be pedantic, the holding cells were built during the previous administration, but were not intended for dividing up families as trump ordered.

500+ kids are parentless right now with him directly responsible.

He's an as*hole of epic proportions.

astrofool

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump was building a wall to stop illegal immigration. biden has said that wall will be no longer be built. if that's not an invitation i don't know what is

from his website:

End the so-called National Emergency that siphons federal dollars from the Department of Defense to build a wall

A wall is not a serious deterrent for sophisticated criminal organizations that employ border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology to overcome physical barriers at the border


its grand though if you are not a sophisticated criminal organisation. Come on in guys!

Walls are easily defeated by ladders, tunnels and angle grinders, there are ways to police the border, spaffing billions (intended for schools of military personnel) against a wall that doesn't work is incredibly dumb, but not surprising given how the whole administration has been a story of tweedle dum and tweedle dumber outdoing each other all the way through.

Cody montana

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

trump was building a wall to stop illegal immigration. biden has said that wall will be no longer be built. if that's not an invitation i don't know what is

from his website:

End the so-called National Emergency that siphons federal dollars from the Department of Defense to build a wall

A wall is not a serious deterrent for sophisticated criminal organizations that employ border tunnels, semi-submersible vessels, and aerial technology to overcome physical barriers at the border


its grand though if you are not a sophisticated criminal organisation. Come on in guys!

He has build 12 miles of NEW wall in 4 years.
3 miles a year.
Biden didn't say he doing to stop defending the border.
Stop making stuff up.

y0ssar1an22

astrofool wrote: »

False, donny's administration implemented the policy:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

If you want to be pedantic, the holding cells were built during the previous administration, but were not intended for dividing up families as trump ordered.

500+ kids are parentless right now with him directly responsible.

He's an as*hole of epic proportions.

then i understand incorrectly. are you saying biden was part of an administration that never separated kids from adults after crossing the border illegally?

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

not sure what that means. i googled it and am still non the wiser! who knows, maybe that the problem :P

It simply refers to a bias in decision-making. It's a very broad term that covers many different sub-types, as shown below. I'd say the main one that Trumpists seem to be susceptible to is confirmation bias (number 7).

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto,w_728/v1555916687/shape/mentalfloss/cognitive_biases.png?itok=P3NDUz1D

y0ssar1an22

astrofool wrote: »

Walls are easily defeated by ladders, tunnels and angle grinders, there are ways to police the border, spaffing billions (intended for schools of military personnel) against a wall that doesn't work is incredibly dumb, but not surprising given how the whole administration has been a story of tweedle dum and tweedle dumber outdoing each other all the way through.

i dunno, i think a wall is a pretty good deterrent to prevent illegal immigration.

what message do you think that sends out to illegals? be that the wall, or the defunding of it

y0ssar1an22

Cody montana wrote: »

He has build 12 miles of NEW wall in 4 years.
3 miles a year.
Biden didn't say he doing to stop defending the border.
Stop making stuff up.

so there was a wall previously? if it dont work, i wonder why its there in the 1st place?

astrofool

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

then i understand incorrectly. are you saying biden was part of an administration that never separated kids from adults after crossing the border illegally?

I'm saying that in 2018 trump put in place the policy that caused lots of children to be separated from their parents, up till that point, no policy to separate children from their parents was in place.

trump then tried to blame this on the previous administration because they had built the holding cells in an attempt to not take the blame for removing lots and lots of children from their parents because he knows that is something that only a complete and utter as*hole would do, and as he had done it, everyone now knows that he is a complete and utter as*hole, so he tried to deflect it and some stupid people believe the deflection.

ExMachina1000

astrofool wrote: »

I'm saying that in 2018 trump put in place the policy that caused lots of children to be separated from their parents, up till that point, no policy to separate children from their parents was in place.

trump then tried to blame this on the previous administration because they had built the holding cells in an attempt to not take the blame for removing lots and lots of children from their parents because he knows that is something that only a complete and utter as*hole would do, and as he had done it, everyone now knows that he is a complete and utter as*hole, so he tried to deflect it and some stupid people believe the deflection.

Do you think that there should be a border wall to deter illegal immigration?