Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

briany

political analyst wrote: »

I think that, of those who voted for Trump, only a few million (at most) don't accept the result. So why are Lindsey Graham and other prominent Republicans so desperate to appease that group?

Over 70 million people voted for Trump. The highest tally for a Republican candidate in history. I'm sure that not every person who voted for Trump is exactly as paranoid and crazy as Trump but they still agreed with Trump enough to vote for him. That kind of support is not something the Republican leadership can risk to distance themselves from Trump. The Republican leadership are, in fact, that in name only. It's Trump's party now.

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1328718423053004801?s=19

Would pay to watch this.

Padre_Pio

briany wrote: »

Over 70 million people voted for Trump. The highest tally for a Republican candidate in history. I'm sure that not every person who voted for Trump is exactly as paranoid and crazy as Trump but they still agreed with Trump enough to vote for him. That kind of support is not something the Republican leadership can risk to distance themselves from Trump. The Republican leadership are, in fact, that in name only. It's Trump's party now.

Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa.
Add in the conspiracy theories about both sides and the polarisation of US politics is only getting worse.


The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.

political analyst

briany wrote: »

Over 70 million people voted for Trump. The highest tally for a Republican candidate in history. I'm sure that not every person who voted for Trump is exactly as paranoid and crazy as Trump but they still agreed with Trump enough to vote for him. That kind of support is not something the Republican leadership can risk to distance themselves from Trump. The Republican leadership are, in fact, that in name only. It's Trump's party now.

Agreeing with him enough to vote for him is one thing - believing his allegations of electoral fraud is another.

Carfacemandog

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa. .

There'll only really be credence in that when Sanders or AOC or whomever are nominated to run for the presidency with the rest of the party falling in line behind them, to be honest.

"The left are eating themselves" has been the mantra of right wingers for a few years now because there is typically less likelihood of lavish devotion who whomever Dear Leader seems to be on that side of the political aisle than on the right, certainly in the US. In other words I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Republicans might try and scream as much, but the election results showed it didn't exactly stick, with an exception of Miami.

briany

political analyst wrote: »

Agreeing with him enough to vote for him is one thing - believing his allegations of electoral fraud is another.

They are indeed two separate things. However, all these voters lean toward Trump. Trump himself believes that there was voter fraud. So, the Republican establishment obviously feels it best not to p*ss Trump off too much lest he take a large enough chunk of the voter base with him.

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa.
Add in the conspiracy theories about both sides and the polarisation of US politics is only getting worse.


The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.

Only in the minds of OANN. I'd say AntiFa are opposed to Trump. That doesn't necessarily make them pro-Democrat, but they may see it as the lesser of two evils and a net positive move. Bernie Sanders isn't even a Democrat, but has to run on that ticket because there's only two options available to a serious candidate. People like Hillary Clinton have said he's a crank.

everlast75

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1328718423053004801?s=19

Would pay to watch this.

The first step is him turning up the proper court venue, and not some landscaping company with a similar name 20 odd miles away

uncleoswald

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I am sure the Nazi and Soviet communists' had excuses that made sense to them for putting people on lists also. It all sounds like the start of the 'up against the wall' movement that happened under those two evil regimes.

if we follow your thinking Nuremburg Trials were 'revenge'.

tobefrank321

The ironic thing about Trump's swipes at Democrats re election fraud is most of the swing states are run by Republicans who are in charge of the counts. Honest Republicans thankfully.

wes

Padre_Pio wrote: »

The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.

It doesn't mater who they run, they will still call them a communist socialist so and so.

Also, a more conservative candidate will not win over Republican's, and it never will. It would piss of the democrats base and achieve nothing more. People need to stop suggesting this. There are millions of non-voters whom they should target, and they should make sure to get there base to turn out, and fight voter suppression. Make is easier to register to vote, and end the long lines in non-white area's.

No point in trying to convince people who are basically in a cult. The non-Trump Republican doesn't exist in large enough number to bother with.

Roger the cabin boy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you have not got a balls notion what you are talking about.

And let's be honest, having never stepped in the Oval office or held any office of any note whatsoever, neither do you.

Roger the cabin boy

duploelabs wrote: »

Again, less of the childish retorts and perhaps something a bit more mature. What's the source for your quote, I'm not going to source it for you

The 1st pitch of childish retorts what from you.
How about you practice what you preach?

I doubt Biden will be practicing what he is preaching either. He'll be bound by the realities of the situation just like anyone else,

Roger the cabin boy

randd1 wrote: »

Nonsense. Of course there's voter fraud. In fact, they're so good at it there is no evidence.

On both sides no doubt.

briany

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

On both sides no doubt.

Well, if it's on both sides, it cancels itself out, and we can all stop making a big deal over it.

Dr. Bre

The democrats are not left wing

What.Now

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

The 1st pitch of childish retorts what from you.
How about you practice what you preach?

I doubt Biden will be practicing what he is preaching either. He'll be bound by the realities of the situation just like anyone else,

Well if you stepped back a bit you would see that Biden is already practicing what he preaches by constantly wearing a mask.

Roger the cabin boy

briany wrote: »

Well, if it's on both sides, it cancels itself out, and we can all stop making a big deal over it.

Heh, exactly why you lot miss the point.

Its a huge deal. Voting needs to be trusted and transparent and honest regardless of who or what is up for election.

Without confidence in the system from both sides, it is a empty shell exercise devoid of value or meaning.

ohnonotgmail

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

And let's be honest, having never stepped in the Oval office or held any office of any note whatsoever, neither do you.

I know you can't do a presidential handover in an afternoon. You couldn't do a project handover in that time. so yeah, you haven't a balls notion what you are talking about.

Roger the cabin boy

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

Heh, exactly why you lot miss the point.

Its a huge deal. Voting needs to be trusted and transparent and honest regardless of who or what is up for election.

Without confidence in the system from both sides, it is a empty shell exercise devoid of value or meaning.

Well then respond to my post and stop ignoring it.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115322812&postcount=6932

ohnonotgmail

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

Heh, exactly why you lot miss the point.

Its a huge deal. Voting needs to be trusted and transparent and honest regardless of who or what is up for election.

Without confidence in the system from both sides, it is a empty shell exercise devoid of value or meaning.

there is confidence in the system from both sides. the states at issue are republican run. the republican leadership in those states and the homeland agency responsible for elections have no issue with the elections. But trump lies his ass off and you swallow it all. he launches case after case in court and gets laughed out every time but you still swallow everything he spews out.

VinLieger

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

And let's be honest, having never stepped in the Oval office or held any office of any note whatsoever, neither do you.

We know it can have serious long term effects, the 9/11 commission found that the delay in transition and lack of information passed on due to the florida mess in 2000 was a contributing factor to 9/11

Roger the cabin boy

What.Now wrote: »

Well if you stepped back a bit you would see that Biden is already practicing what he preaches by constantly wearing a mask.

Its easy to have an intern punch a few lines on Twitter.

Telling the paranoid American public, who's citizens actually maintain private armies should personal freedoms and liberty become in any way threatened whatsever by the government to "Wear a mask" is another thing.


Well, I suppose biden will trot some socially responsible and virtuose line out "Encouraging" the american public to wear a mask when in office but it won't be an instruction and thus will be largely ignored by those who don't want to and that will be a further point of tension between the two sides and then Biden will be seen as weak and so on and so forth etc.


Idealistic nonsense to think Biden will be much different than Trump. He will just sell it differently.

Roger the cabin boy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is confidence in the system from both sides. the states at issue are republican run. the republican leadership in those states and the homeland agency responsible for elections have no issue with the elections. But trump lies his ass off and you swallow it all. he launches case after case in court and gets laughed out every time but you still swallow everything he spews out.

I don't swallow everything at all?
Sweeping statements and absolutism seems to be quite a thing in this thread and esp when it come to Trump....

Sometimes you have to look beyond the headlines yea?

2ndcoming

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Unfortunately for US politics, the Republicans have become entwined with Trump, as well as some ultra-conservative groups like the white nationalists, while the Democrats have become synonymous with socialists like Bernie, and hard left groups like Antifa.
Add in the conspiracy theories about both sides and the polarisation of US politics is only getting worse.


The Democrats should have ran a more conservative candidate, but I suppose the presidential race is more a popularity contest than about actual policy and past performance.

Bernie isn't really a socialist, the vast majority of the things he calls for are long established and taken for granted in the rest of the developed world.

And being Anti-fascism doesn't make you hard left (Trotsky?? Stalin??) just because Trump says so. Any more than anything else he says should be taken at face value.

Believing in sick pay or access to healthcare is not left, it's completely normal. Believing fascism is wrong is not left, it's normal. The centreground in the US has been lobbied and bought so far to the right in the defence of billionaires wealth they're getting to the stage they think sparing any thought for your fellow man makes you Lenin. It's bizarre and they need to reset.

Leroy42

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

And let's be honest, having never stepped in the Oval office or held any office of any note whatsoever, neither do you.

So why have all previous administrations had a month or two handover? Even W Bush, whilst they were still fighting the election in court, was given access by Clinton (Gore already had it as VP).

So the question becomes why would all previous administrations have taken 2+ months prior to inauguration when, according to you, they don't need it?

Now thinking back on any new job I have started, it normally takes a few weeks to get a handle on the new people I'm working with, their systems, policies, procedures. I need log-ins, access to software, company access cards, credit cards. I need to be introduced to my team, other teams, other offices. Explained the key customers, competitors, issues, areas that will soon be issues.

Now, none of my jobs includes the lives and livelihoods of millions of people, billions of $'s.

With COVID being the NO1 issue facing the world and the US, don't you think it would be worthwhile for Biden, and his teams, to get a handle on what is in place, what is in the air? What about the threat from Iran, where are the NK discussions, what has been set up with Putin?

But Trump is not concerned about the fate of America, only about himself. He is putting himself above the needs to the country. He could easily give access to Biden whilst still running the cases to get the election result overturned. Had W Bush lost the election, all that would have been lost his and his teams time in planning, but the country wouldn't have suffered.

MAGA, by purposefully and deliberately putting it in a riskier position that it needs to be. Some patriot that puts himself above the needs of the country.

duploelabs

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

The 1st pitch of childish retorts what from you.
How about you practice what you preach?

I doubt Biden will be practicing what he is preaching either. He'll be bound by the realities of the situation just like anyone else,

Ok, so where's the quote from that you posted?

Roger the cabin boy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I know you can't do a presidential handover in an afternoon. You couldn't do a project handover in that time. so yeah, you haven't a balls notion what you are talking about.

And he won't just have an afternoon to do the handover as well you know so stop with the faux outrage and drama.

The electoral college will confirm the result. Biden will be made President elect.
The transition teams will have much time (months, not hrs) to do its job.

Stop talking out of your hat just for political points. It diminishes any value your comments may have.

ohnonotgmail

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

I don't swallow everything at all?
Sweeping statements and absolutism seems to be quite a thing in this thread and esp when it come to Trump....

Sometimes you have to look beyond the headlines yea?

Of course you have. You think there is genuine doubt about the safety of the election. No basis for that doubt has been shown. No credible evidence has been proffered by Trump yet you still think there is something to it.

Billy Mays

ohnonotgmail

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

And he won't just have an afternoon to do the handover as well you know so stop with the faux outrage and drama.

The electoral college will confirm the result. Biden will be made President elect.
The transition teams will have much time (months, not hrs) to do its job.

Stop talking out of your hat just for political points. It diminishes any value your comments may have.

the electoral colleges votes are not counted until Jan 6th. He wont have months.

and it was you that mentioned an afternoon. if having your nonsense thrown back at you is painful then perhaps stop writing said nonsense.