Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Cody montana

NEW: U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) has tested positive for coronavirus

He must be getting close to 90.
Edit, he's 87.

everlast75

Rudy is making a show of himself in court, and given the bar was set pretty low after Borat, that's saying something.

Meanwhile,

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1328548571189284864?s=19

It is utterly ridiculous that Trump hasn't conceded. Ridiculous.

No sane person can say otherwise

nolivesmatter

everlast75 wrote: »

Rudy is making a show of himself in court, and given the bar was set pretty low after Borat, that's saying something.

Meanwhile,

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1328548571189284864?s=19

It is utterly ridiculous that Trump hasn't conceded. Ridiculous.

No sane person can say otherwise

No. Thousands of votes shouldn't be going missing. It's clear that the investigations and the recounts need to be completed now since so many votes have been missed even if all they do is extend Biden's lead.

Tell me how

jill_valentine wrote: »

They are currently 1-25, and as I recall the 1 was a ruling to continue segregating votes that were already segregated.

The best people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Trump fans, conservatives and Republicans have spent significant time saying that they trust the American Justice System and the American Justice System should have a say in the fraud which was carried out in the election.

The American Justice System is having its say, and it's telling Trump to GTF.

Guy:Incognito

Rudy really turning the screw now. Trump will be declared the winner soon surely.

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1328828371141267457?s=19

extra gravy

nolivesmatter wrote: »

No. Thousands of votes shouldn't be going missing. It's clear that the investigations and the recounts need to be completed now since so many votes have been missed even if all they do is extend Biden's lead.

https://twitter.com/levie/status/1326404073768312832?s=19

"Investigations" :pac:

Such robust investigations that they're being laughed out of court every day.

Chris_Heilong

So congress has come out and officially said as of the moment there is no president elect as such a position can only exist if the other side conceded or if there are no legal challenges.

Cody montana

He’s just fired his Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency via Twitter.

Tippex

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1328772267493515266

This is a really interesting thread of the ongoing today

Tippex

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

So congress has come out and officially said as of the moment there is no president elect as such a position can only exist if the other side conceded or if there are no legal challenges.

That was 5 days ago you can see it https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/hice-gsa-administrator-must-adhere-to-constitution-past-precedent-in-determining-president-elect/

They also do not say officially that there is no president elect they actually say "There are enough state contests in question, such that there is not yet an apparent President or Vice-President-Elect. "

So basically trump is not going to concede and keep throwing spurious cases at the courts and then once the election gets "officially" called in Biden's favour he will go on another rant (not sure how it can be any worse than what he is going on).

IMO it's a moot point and everyone in the Biden camp I am sure are aware of this hence why they are so calm about everything.

Chris_Heilong

Tippex wrote: »

That was 5 days ago you can see it https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/release/hice-gsa-administrator-must-adhere-to-constitution-past-precedent-in-determining-president-elect/

They also do not say officially that there is no president elect they actually say "There are enough state contests in question, such that there is not yet an apparent President or Vice-President-Elect. "

So basically trump is not going to concede and keep throwing spurious cases at the courts and then once the election gets "officially" called in Biden's favour he will go on another rant (not sure how it can be any worse than what he is going on).

IMO it's a moot point and everyone in the Biden camp I am sure are aware of this hence why they are so calm about everything.

Yeah but kind of funny Biden is calling him self president elect and even created and office of the president elect

Tippex

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Yeah but kind of funny Biden is calling him self president elect and even created and office of the president elect

What did you expect him to do? just sit in a room watching TV eating snacks or be proactive in trying to do things.

The other guy just generally looks as if he is sulking and sacking people for disagreeing with him but as far as most people see he is not actually doing an awful lot (he's given up).

sabat

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

So congress has come out and officially said as of the moment there is no president elect as such a position can only exist if the other side conceded or if there are no legal challenges.

But wait a minute, that can't possibly be true. Here's Biden at his official press conference for his official government department. He has American flags and a seal with eagles on a navy background and everything...

jill_valentine

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Yeah but kind of funny Biden is calling him self president elect and even created and office of the president elect

He didn't call himself the President Elect, about 80 million voters did.

I'd hope "congress" didn't say what you've relayed here though, because it's all incorrect and you'd have to hope they'd know their own Constitution

There isn't actually a requirement for anyone to concede - it's a custom presidents traditionally engage in to allow for a swift transition rather than leave all the national institutions in the lurch, as Trump has done. Whether he does or doesn't concede though is irrelevant, his term Constitutionally expires in January regardless.

The Constitution does mention the term "President Elect" as a meaningful descriptor that's clear from context, but not as an official thing that gets assigned to somebody by other official - while it's certified by Congress as feature of the oath taking and all that jazz it's not a title that's "conferred" by them. The term is used in the Constitution only really so they can describe what happens if the guy who won the election - the President Elect - is assassinated or something before taking office.

So it's not like declaring your resort hotel the "Southern White House" or something, Biden is using the term the Constitution assumes of him.

nolivesmatter

Not sure if already posted but seems like another county in Georgia missed a couple thousand votes.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/2755-uncounted-votes-found-on-memory-card-in-fayette-county-officials-say

Carfacemandog

Uh oh, looks like there may be a credible case of election fraud after all.

Former White House ethics attorney Walter Shaub was similarly interested and said that an investigation into Graham “is needed.”

That line of thought quickly picked up steam among legal experts.

“It is deeply troubling,” said Kristen Clarke of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law during a Monday evening appearance on MSNBC. “Here is something that the Justice Department should indeed open an inquiry into.”

“There is more than sufficient predication here to open a federal investigation,” asserted former U.S. Attorney and current University of Alabama Law Professor Joyce White Vance via Twitter on Tuesday. “Georgians [and] all Americans deserve to know what happened, not just be left to speculate over a matter so serious.”

...

Andrew Weissmann, former top lieutenant to then-special counsel Robert Mueller, currently prone to shoot from the hip, decided to just say it outright: “This is what we in the legal world call a felony.”

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1328500535931121665

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1328743846180741120

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1328766693674508288

Cody montana wrote: »

Georgia or George?
Lindsey is a snake, no one should trust him.

Hopefully Biden starts an investigation on him.

It can't merely be George in the age we live in and the desperate depths Graham has sunk to since doing a miraculous and immediate 180 on Trump 2 or 3 years back. At this point I would be thinking it's got to be more of a "cute little George" type of situation, or something else very very illegal.

Carfacemandog

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Yeah but kind of funny Biden is calling him self president elect and even created and office of the president elect

Yeah, about that...

Tippex

Wayne county board of canvassers refuse to certify the election result.
One of the republican members Monica Palmer on the board even goes as far as saying that she will certify all areas except for Detroit (essentially wanting to ignore a massive black vote).
She gets torn apart on the zoom call https://twitter.com/raywert/status/1328856173513150464

The same person is up in front of an ethics committee for a conflict of interest at 9am tomorrow morning.

IMO it makes no difference what side you are on but everyone must agree the US is an absolute basket case

nolivesmatter

Tippex wrote: »

Wayne county board of canvassers refuse to certify the election result.
One of the republican members Monica Palmer on the board even goes as far as saying that she will certify all areas except for Detroit (essentially wanting to ignore a massive black vote).
She gets torn apart on the zoom call https://twitter.com/raywert/status/1328856173513150464

The same person is up in front of an ethics committee for a conflict of interest at 9am tomorrow morning.

IMO it makes no difference what side you are on but everyone must agree the US is an absolute basket case

Jaysus. He went a bit mental there tbh.

wes

Tippex wrote: »

Wayne county board of canvassers refuse to certify the election result.
One of the republican members Monica Palmer on the board even goes as far as saying that she will certify all areas except for Detroit (essentially wanting to ignore a massive black vote).
She gets torn apart on the zoom call https://twitter.com/raywert/status/1328856173513150464

The same person is up in front of an ethics committee for a conflict of interest at 9am tomorrow morning.

IMO it makes no difference what side you are on but everyone must agree the US is an absolute basket case

Republicans once again openly supporting fascism and racism. They keep doing this and people vote for them not in spite of this, but because of it.

Tippex

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Jaysus. He went a bit mental there tbh.

he did the thing I hate about all of this and clips like this is you don't get the whole context with them so you need to do your own research on them.

nolivesmatter

Tippex wrote: »

he did the thing I hate about all of this and clips like this is you don't get the whole context with them so you need to do your own research on them.

Yeah. I can't imagine a legit reason to discount all Detroit votes, but he just gets very personal and fire & brimstone about it.

Also the tweet says "racist & partisan refusal to certify the election". I seriously doubt it's racially motivated, though clearly as a republican it would seem partisan.

jill_valentine

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Yeah. I can't imagine a legit reason to discount all Detroit votes, but he just gets very personal and fire & brimstone about it.

Also the tweet says "racist & partisan refusal to certify the election". I seriously doubt it's racially motivated, though clearly as a republican it would seem partisan.

She was happy enough to certify areas that had more reported discrepancies but were mostly white, but refused point blank and without explanation to certify an area with fewer discrepancies but that was mostly black. Little other conclusion to draw.

Anyway the Q Anon crackpot has since u turned and they're certifying.

Tippex

jill_valentine wrote: »

She was happy enough to certify areas that had more reported discrepancies but were mostly white, but refused point blank and without explanation to certify an area with fewer discrepancies but was black. Little other conclusion to draw.

Anyway the Q Anon crackpot has since u turned and they're certifying.

I just seen that you literally cannot make this **** up with them
https://twitter.com/adam_brew/status/1328882544348180483

and for reference this tweet certainly didn't age well
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328883405837258753

Actually, Trump tweeted it after it was announced they had a second vote and decided to certify

nolivesmatter

jill_valentine wrote: »

She was happy enough to certify areas that had more reported discrepancies but were mostly white, but refused point blank and without explanation to certify an area with fewer discrepancies but was black. Little other conclusion to draw.

Anyway the Q Anon crackpot has since u turned and they're certifying.

She was happy to certify Republican dominant counties but wanted to disregard votes in a Democrat city. There's no reason to think it's racially motivated and there's every reason to think it's partisan.

You think she'd want Detroit discounted if it was Republican dominated black vote?

Carfacemandog

That Ned Staebler fella deserves a medal, he shine a light directly on them and their racism, and unable to defend it the cowards simply ran away.

Nonetheless, those people absolutely deserve to be taken to task and removed from their positions of they are unable to give decent reasoning as to why. Their original reasoning got shown up for the effort to subvert democracy it always was, "ok never mind" isn't good enough.

https://twitter.com/raywert/status/1328886459844218881

Tippex

Think I need to go and get my hands on some popcorn the meltdown is going to be hilarious after his 3 tweets recently.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328883405837258753

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328885313729687553

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328886157246156801

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328886891765182466

Sorry for dumping all the tweets but they are timestamped after Adam Brewster tweeted that they had changed their minds and certified
https://twitter.com/adam_brew/status/1328882544348180483

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328852354049957888

He's gone full Trump. Never go full Trump.

uncleoswald

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

False.
Trump will do everything within the law to disqualify any and all "non-legal ballots", There is no way to disqualify legal ballots, That is BS. What Trumps legal team are doing is finding irregularities,

Anything you have seen today change your mind at all? Two Trump supporting Republicans in Wayne County Michigan initially refusing to certify votes in Detroit, a city that overwhelmingly voted Democrat and with a large african american population. They could provide no reason that only the Detroit results could not be certified in the county. And while they eventually did do their jobs, Trump tweeted support for them not certifying the results.

Do you still think this is just about only counting legal votes?

Overheal

His Proud Boys are no longer on Standby

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328084426425651200?s=20

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328086564757405696?s=20

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328089508798074881?s=20

(There's a lot more of that thread)