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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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    #7232
    Smee_Again
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    normakelle wrote: »
    my apologies meant mass deaths

    1,707 deaths yesterday and rising, would this not count as mass deaths?

    If not, what number of deaths per day would you consider as mass deaths?


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    #7233
    salmocab
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    normakelle wrote: »
    my apologies meant mass deaths

    How is calling 250,000 dead, mass deaths, hyperbole?


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    #7234
    ohnonotgmail
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What can Biden do that Trump hasn't besides call for lockdowns and masks?
    I really don't see how he's going to make the slightest difference when there's 80 million who don't even believe he's a legitimate president elect.

    do you not think that would be a good start?


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    #7235
    hirondelle
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    normakelle wrote: »

    They have had lockdowns, they wear masks, It's the same as here once you reopen again Then the inevitable happens. You have to balance the economy, mental health against shutdowns.

    So just mandate maskwearing across the states to reduce transmission until the vaccines are administered widely. That way allows the economy to operate as near to normal as possible.
    The gobshutes in the states that want their "freedom" not to wear a mask while demanding that the economy be fully reopened are a huge part of the problem.


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    #7236
    ohnonotgmail
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    Smee_Again wrote: »
    1,707 deaths yesterday and rising, would this not count as mass deaths?

    If not, what number of deaths per day would you consider as mass deaths?

    that is more than half a 9/11 every day. America went to war because of less than 3000 people but trump sits on his hands when more than half that are dying every day.


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    #7237
    Lewis_Benson
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    seamus wrote: »
    What we know from past experience is that Trump is not playing some kind of long game. Everything he does is purely reactionary, whatever he can do to protect his ego and satisfy the narcissist inside.

    He will not alow himself to be declared unfit to stand trial because his ego wouldn't allow him to. He would insist that all of the charges against him are false, and like Guiliani might even go as far as to represent himself if nobody else is doing a good enough job.

    From Trump's point of view, the appropriate move when an underling argues with you is to fire them and replace them with someone who will obey without question.

    What he misses is the long game - firing highly competent and highly respected top members of any organisation and replacing them with a limp patsy is a sure fire way to turn the whole organisation against you. Trump will now find it much slower and more difficult to get CISA and the DoHS to co-operate with him

    He is a dictator.


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    #7238
    normakelle
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    hirondelle wrote: »
    So just mandate maskwearing across the states to reduce transmission until the vaccines are administered widely. That way allows the economy to operate as near to normal as possible.
    The gobshutes in the states that want their "freedom" not to wear a mask while demanding that the economy be fully reopened are a huge part of the problem.

    They have to wear masks in schools, supermarkets, gyms etc the same as here


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    #7239
    normakelle
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that is more than half a 9/11 every day. America went to war because of less than 3000 people but trump sits on his hands when more than half that are dying every day.

    They do much the same as we did in level at level 3. the kids have only just gone back to actual school and they have to wear masks even the little kids. It is a population of 340 million people each state with different laws.


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    #7240
    normakelle
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    salmocab wrote: »
    How is calling 250,000 dead, mass deaths, hyperbole?

    It is a polpulation of 340 million. In general they live their lives at level 3.


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    #7241
    hirondelle
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    normakelle wrote: »
    They have to wear masks in schools, supermarkets, gyms etc the same as here

    Yes, that's why the health officials are saying the mandate needs to be extended if the economy is to reopen, but "muh freedom" etc. is apparently more important.


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    #7242
    ohnonotgmail
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    normakelle wrote: »
    They do much the same as we did in level at level 3. the kids have only just gone back to actual school and they have to wear masks even the little kids. It is a population of 340 million people each state with different laws.

    except they are not really, are they?


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    #7243
    drunkmonkey
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    Lewis_Benson wrote: »
    He is a dictator.

    Yet Biden is already trying to dictate and he's not even elected yet. Telling people they can't leave their homes, can't earn a living or enjoy other peoples company, can't worship etc is dictatorship.

    Trump is about as far from a dictator as you can get, he's closer to Ronald Regan school of politics than the Ayatollah Khamenei.
    If you think he's the new Hitelr you've been completely brainwashed.


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    #7244
    normakelle
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do you not think that would be a good start?

    They wear masks, they have had lockdowns. Biden is a career politician he says the right things, He wants minimum wage to go to 15 dollars an hour and talking about forgiving student. Heck I would vote for him too if I was young and thought this would happen but unfortunately it is lip service.


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    #7245
    ohnonotgmail
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    normakelle wrote: »


    They wear masks, they have had lockdowns. Biden is a career politician he says the right things, He wants minimum wage to go to 15 dollars an hour and talking about forgiving student. Heck I would vote for him too if I was young and thought this would happen but unfortunately it is lip service.

    did you see the mass rallies that trump held? not much in the way of mask wearing there.


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    #7246
    Cody montana
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What can Biden do that Trump hasn't besides call for lockdowns and masks?
    I really don't see how he's going to make the slightest difference when there's 80 million who don't even believe he's a legitimate president elect.

    Follow the science and scientists.
    Shocking I know.


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    #7247
    normakelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭normakelle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yet Biden is already trying to dictate and he's not even elected yet. Telling people they can't leave their homes, can't earn a living or enjoy other peoples company, can't worship etc is dictatorship.

    Trump is about as far from a dictator as you can get, he's closer to Ronald Regan school of politics than the Ayatollah Khamenei.
    If you think he's the new Hitelr you've been completely brainwashed.

    thank god someone with a bit of commonsense


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    #7248
    hirondelle
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yet Biden is already trying to dictate and he's not even elected yet. Telling people they can't leave their homes, can't earn a living or enjoy other peoples company, can't worship etc is dictatorship.

    Trump is about as far from a dictator as you can get, he's closer to Ronald Regan school of politics than the Ayatollah Khamenei.
    If you think he's the new Hitelr you've been completely brainwashed.

    Does Biden have armed forces at his disposal to enforce this dictatorship?


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    #7249
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yet Biden is already trying to dictate and he's not even elected yet. Telling people they can't leave their homes, can't earn a living or enjoy other peoples company, can't worship etc is dictatorship.

    Trump is about as far from a dictator as you can get, he's closer to Ronald Regan school of politics than the Ayatollah Khamenei.
    If you think he's the new Hitelr you've been completely brainwashed.

    ronald reagan would have not have sat with his thumb up his ass while 1700 people die every day.


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    #7250
    normakelle
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    except they are not really, are they?

    Of course they are. My brother lives in Texas. You cannot go into a supermarket gym, etc without a mask.


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    #7251
    normakelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭normakelle


    hirondelle wrote: »
    Does Biden have armed forces at his disposal to enforce this dictatorship?

    Hyperbole much?


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    #7252
    drunkmonkey
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    ronald reagan would have not have sat with his thumb up his ass while 1700 people die every day.

    What do you want Trump to personally do, he's left it up to the states themselves. He's not dictating what each individual person should do.
    You want him to start acting like a Dictator is that it?


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    #7253
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yet Biden is already trying to dictate and he's not even elected yet.

    Trump is a dictator because he is refusing to concede a fair election. Biden is not a dictator just because he is offering the same advice that other democratic leaders, politicians etc. are offering.

    Who really is brainwashed here?


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    #7254
    ohnonotgmail
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What do you want Trump to personally do, he's left it up to the states themselves. He's not dictating what each individual person should do.
    You want him to start acting like a Dictator is that it?

    he is the president. he is doing nothing. nothing. he has a pandemic task force led by mike pence that is doing nothing. he has shown zero leadership. he knew it was serious early on but continued to call it a hoax. do you remember that? you remember the interview where he admitted he knew it was serious while continuing to call it a hoax publicly?


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    #7255
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    normakelle wrote: »
    Of course they are. My brother lives in Texas. You cannot go into a supermarket gym, etc without a mask.

    A quick Google would tell you you are wrong. There is not a mask mandate in every state. Please have a quick google before posting nonsense.

    https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/states-mask-mandates-coronavirus.html


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    #7256
    drunkmonkey
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Trump is a dictator because he is refusing to concede a fair election.

    I don't think anyone with half a seashell between their ears can say it was a fair election when you had such blatant manipulation of the narrative by the media. There's people here that think Trump is a dictator, they did not form that opinion by themselves.

    He's correct not to concede when the stakes are so high, if it turns out everything was above board well then he should concede were not at that point yet though.


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    #7257
    Cody montana
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I don't think anyone with half a seashell between their ears can say it was a fair election when you had such blatant manipulation of the narrative by the media. There's people here that think Trump is a dictator, they did not form that opinion by themselves.

    He's correct not to concede when the stakes are so high, if it turns out everything was above board well then he should concede were not at that point yet though.

    Do you think he can still win?


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    #7258
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I don't think anyone with half a seashell between their ears can say it was a fair election

    Yes they can. Both the majority of America, and the rest of the democratic world, believes it was a fair election. The only people who don't are the sore losers and/or people who put bets on.
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    He's correct not to concede when the stakes are so high, if it turns out everything was above board well then he should concede were not at that point yet though.

    We are at that point, and we have been since the election was called. Only the people I mentioned above think otherwise.


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    #7259
    Leroy42
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What do you want Trump to personally do, he's left it up to the states themselves. He's not dictating what each individual person should do.
    You want him to start acting like a Dictator is that it?

    A start would be not minimising the virus, not calling out governors who are attempting to do something by calling them to reopen.

    He should be supporting them, showing the public that the methods do work.

    He has completely given up on trying to save anyone's life. It all comes down to a vaccine. Which will be developed by scientists that actually took it seriously rather than sitting by waiting for a miracle.


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    #7260
    VinLieger
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    He's correct not to concede when the stakes are so high, if it turns out everything was above board well then he should concede were not at that point yet though.


    His own agencies responsible for overseeing the election has declared everything above board.


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    #7261
    duploelabs
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I don't think anyone with half a seashell between their ears can say it was a fair election when you had such blatant manipulation of the narrative by the media. There's people here that think Trump is a dictator, they did not form that opinion by themselves.

    He's correct not to concede when the stakes are so high, if it turns out everything was above board well then he should concede were not at that point yet though.

    If Trump wasn't so heavily leveraged, in both financial and legal terms, on retaining the presidency, do you think he'd keep this charade up?


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