Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

PropJoe10

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And also claiming that despite multiple other States introducing the same kinds of changes in the same kinds of ways , the only ones that you are concerned about are the ones where your guy lost.

Pathetically transparent.

That's the thing. Where are the claims about election officials in Iowa, Ohio, Texas and Florida? It'd be laughable if it wasn't so seriously pathetic and such a blatant attack on democracy.

DrumSteve

it just seems like trump being trump; trying to tie this up in litigation until there's nowhere else left to go.

He will never admit he lost. He'll just say the SC are part of the Deep State now.

Also it's a really bad look for these states to try and get other states votes invalidated; it's almost like they want to cause a civil war.

ohnonotgmail

PropJoe10 wrote: »

That's the thing. Where are the claims about election officials in Iowa, Ohio, Texas and Florida? It'd be laughable if it wasn't so seriously pathetic and such a blatant attack on democracy.

not to mention that the laws they are objecting to have been in place for a while. The time to object to them was BEFORE the election and a judge told them as such in a case in PA I think.

Quin_Dub

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not to mention that the laws they are objecting to have been in place for a while. The time to object to them was BEFORE the election and a judge told them as such in a case in PA I think.

Exactly and from a legal standpoint that's a key reason why they are being dismissed almost immediately.

In PA , the law was changed almost 18 months ago and they ran the primaries under those rules and no one complained. That change explicitly provided a 180 day window to lodge Constitutional complaints , which of course didn't happen

Coming back now after you've lost isn't viable .

This is DOA and everyone knows it.

All that remains to be seen is how hard SCOTUS slaps it down.

Not that Paxton cares , he'll get what he wants out of it , namely a Pardon from Trump that he can wave around.

eagle eye

DrumSteve wrote:

Also it's a really bad look for these states to try and get other states votes invalidated; it's almost like they want to cause a civil war.

This is the most important thing here I think.
You can see these states looking for vengeance down the line. You can see people in these states pushing the independence line.
I'm hoping Biden comes out with another unifying speech as soon as it's over. These cases are pathetic too, no chance of them having any success.

seamus

Looking at the loonies on Twitter, the belief seems to be that the more lawsuits you have running, the more likely you are to win.

No doubt this has worked for Trump in the past when he has bullied small businesses or media into backing down with an avalanche of lawsuits, but it's irrelevant here.

Definitely getting the feeling though that the energy for the fight is dropping off. Trump & Co. will continue doing this so long as stupid people will give them free money, but pretty soon they'll just tail off leaving a load of people feeling very cheated that all of the promised court challeneges came to nothing.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

This is the most important thing here I think.
You can see these states looking for vengeance down the line. You can see people in these states pushing the independence line.
I'm hoping Biden comes out with another unifying speech as soon as it's over. These cases are pathetic too, no chance of them having any success.

They would have more of a chance than a state succeeding, to do so they have three routes and none that look viable.
The succession noise is normally from Texas which given it's history is ironic.

ohnonotgmail

If you have the right vibrational frequency you can't get covid according to trump supporters

https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1336341447721836549

MeMen2_MoRi_

More info about bidens defence pick.

https://youtu.be/MMrZ1qS-Xgg

Came across comments on Twitter yesterday, an interview with a dem senator, the senator voted against Mattis waiver, but will vote for Austin's waiver because........ The colour of his skin.. *facepalm.gif*

When one side starts breaking the norms of democracy it begins a process of ruining democracy, don't know which side broke the norms first, now they're both at it. Trump broke more norms, I'm wondering will Biden head down the same path. The talking point will be "well trump did it" so.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is insane. Trump has made a personal motion to the Supreme Court asking them to essentially overturn the election in his favour. One of this first claims in the motion is that BS claim about Ohio and Florida:



This is a verifiable falsehood. Nixon won Florida and Ohio in 1960 but lost the election to JFK. He's now straight up lying to the Supreme Court.

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Interesting reading in Trumps submission

In the contents he has a section called

"Additional Facts Facts"

They don't even proof their BS

timsey tiger

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

More info about bidens defence pick.

https://youtu.be/MMrZ1qS-Xgg

Came across comments on Twitter yesterday, an interview with a dem senator, the senator voted against Mattis waiver, but will vote for Austin's waiver because........ The colour of his skin.. *facepalm.gif*

When one side starts breaking the norms of democracy it begins a process of ruining democracy, don't know which side broke the norms first, now they're both at it. Trump broke more norms, I'm wondering will Biden head down the same path. The talking point will be "well trump did it" so.

How, did appointing Mattis work out? Maybe he is doing so, because this guy isn't called Mad Dog.

eagle eye

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote:

Came across comments on Twitter yesterday, an interview with a dem senator, the senator voted against Mattis waiver, but will vote for Austin's waiver because........ The colour of his skin.. *facepalm.gif*

Well let's straighten.out this post.
The issue was the waiver, it wasn't an issue with Mattis who was supported by 98 votes to 1 in the Senate to serve as Trump's Secretary of Defense.

MeMen2_MoRi_

eagle eye wrote: »

Well let's straighten.out this post.
The issue was the waiver, it wasn't an issue with Mattis who was supported by 98 votes to 1 in the Senate to serve as Trump's Secretary of Defense.

Where did I say the wavier wasn't the issue? There is also another issue, lack of civilian control over the military..

I thought people working their way up through the military would seem like a good idea for promotion to def sec, but it clearly isn't as was pointed out in the link..

Cody montana

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If you have the right vibrational frequency you can't get covid according to trump supporters

https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1336341447721836549

“And I thought her that”

I love the way they are proud of their ignorance.

Carfacemandog

timsey tiger wrote: »

How, did appointing Mattis work out? Maybe he is doing so, because this guy isn't called Mad Dog.

If I sat down and talked with him for a few hours, I'm sure mattis and I would struggle to find much of anything to agree on. He does however deserve credit for being an actual 'adult in the room' and if I recall was basically compelled to accept Trump's offer of the role due to military protocol.

He also went in record to point out the dangerous similarities between trumpism and Nazism in Germany, and deserves credit for that.

eagle eye

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote:

Where did I say the wavier wasn't the issue? There is also another issue, lack of civilian control over the military..

I thought people working their way up through the military would seem like a good idea for promotion to def sec, but it clearly isn't as was pointed out in the link..

So Mattis got the job and I don't remember any major issues during his time in office. Somewhat odd that considering all the shenanigans over the last four years.
Considering he did a good job why would people changing their mind as regards the waiver be a big deal?

robinph

Cody montana wrote: »

“And I thought her that”

I love the way they are proud of their ignorance.

I taught the same ting.

everlast75

R.I.P. Kraken

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1337041503600996353?s=19

PropJoe10

DrumSteve wrote: »

it just seems like trump being trump; trying to tie this up in litigation until there's nowhere else left to go.

He will never admit he lost. He'll just say the SC are part of the Deep State now.

Also it's a really bad look for these states to try and get other states votes invalidated; it's almost like they want to cause a civil war.

We're seeing the beginning of the end of the United States in my view. Trump is going to be even worse when out of office. He'll spend his time flitting between Fox News and the likes of OANN, undermining anything Biden tries to do and sowing more discord, for another run in 2024. Trumpism will end up taking the Union down in the end.

francois

Massive tweet storm in progress, must be trying to deflect from something

Quin_Dub

everlast75 wrote: »

R.I.P. Kraken

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1337041503600996353?s=19

It important to note that between all of these lost court cases , ALL of the "evidence" submitted by Ken Paxton is covered several times over.

The Texas case brings absolutely zero new evidence to the courts.

ChikiChiki

Still has not copped the Irish lad in Germany changing his twitter handle.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336678973980487681

robinph

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Still has not copped the Irish lad in Germany changing his twitter handle.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336678973980487681

He's not able to delete his tweets though, once he's made them they are recorded as presidential statements.

He might actually have enough self awareness to realise he's best just ignoring it in this case.

Carfacemandog

PropJoe10 wrote: »

We're seeing the beginning of the end of the United States in my view. Trump is going to be even worse when out of office. He'll spend his time flitting between Fox News and the likes of OANN, undermining anything Biden tries to do and sowing more discord, for another run in 2024. Trumpism will end up taking the Union down in the end.

I'm not sure why there seems to be such a wide assumption that not only Biden and the federal agencies, but individual states, will simply decide to just not even bother going after Trump despite the fact that even some of those who acquitted him of some of them ladt year openly admitted he committed those crimes.

eagle eye

PropJoe10 wrote:

We're seeing the beginning of the end of the United States in my view. Trump is going to be even worse when out of office. He'll spend his time flitting between Fox News and the likes of OANN, undermining anything Biden tries to do and sowing more discord, for another run in 2024. Trumpism will end up taking the Union down in the end.

I disagree, we'll have a good man in the oval office who I believe can unite the nation.
If all the major networks stop giving air time to Trump then the numbers following him will dwindle.
I'd be very hopeful that by next summer very few will he talking about him, unless of course he's facing charges.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

I disagree, we'll have a good man in the oval office who I believe can unite the nation.
If all the major networks stop giving air time to Trump then the numbers following him will dwindle.
I'd be very hopeful that by next summer very few will he talking about him, unless of course he's facing charges.

Is this the good man that you claimed multiple times had dementia?

Quin_Dub

eagle eye wrote: »

I disagree, we'll have a good man in the oval office who I believe can unite the nation.
If all the major networks stop giving air time to Trump then the numbers following him will dwindle.
I'd be very hopeful that by next summer very few will he talking about him, unless of course he's facing charges.

Sadly - None of that will happen.

75% of Republicans currently believe that the Election was fraudulent. Biden isn't going to change their minds , nor is SCOTUS telling Trump to get stuffed in the next few days.

Fox News will continue to beat the drum endlessly, if only to defend themselves from NewsMax and OANN etc.

A big test for Fox will be if Trump does as has been suggested and holds some kind of "counter-rally" to compete with the Inauguration event. Which will they show , will they split screen it?

The other networks won't carry it live , but they will talk about it endlessly on their shows that night and in subsequent days.

Trump will remain in the news , he will remain newsworthy after all , even if the news is him fighting court cases.

Whilst the demise of the US is overstated , they will never return to the Global leadership position they held. Their Soft power is completely gone and is unlikely to return any time soon.

Other countries will be far more accepting of Biden , but they will always be thinking "That's nice Joe , but what about the next guy - What the hell are they going to do??"

joe40

eagle eye wrote: »

I disagree, we'll have a good man in the oval office who I believe can unite the nation.
If all the major networks stop giving air time to Trump then the numbers following him will dwindle.
I'd be very hopeful that by next summer very few will he talking about him, unless of course he's facing charges.

If this was just a ridiculous Trump nonsense backed up by Guiliani and a few other clowns it would be a humorous distraction, nothing more.

But the court cases taken by Texas against other states show the corrosive and dangerous side of Trumpism. His support is significant, worryingly so.

I think we tend to think of Trump as a Gemma O'Doherty type loon (which he is) the difference is Trump has a lot of support in the US while Gemma is just a joke here with a handful of followers.

Trump might eventually go away but his caustic legacy is here to stay.

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

Is this the good man that you claimed multiple times had dementia?

I never claimed he 'had' dementia, I had concerns, and we've been through this before. Go find where we went through it all before. I'm certainly not going into it again and again. I'm sure the mods don't want it either as I remember them telling everybody to move on.
I also said I had no concerns about it after the first debate. I admitted I was wrong to call him a poor candidate after he was elected and spoke about working for all Americans and not just those who voted for him.
I'm well capable of admitting when I'm wrong because I realise I'm a human and we do get things wrong.

Quin_Dub

joe40 wrote: »

If this was just a ridiculous Trump nonsense backed up by Guiliani and a few other clowns it would be a humorous distraction, nothing more.

But the court cases taken by Texas against other states show the corrosive and dangerous side of Trumpism. His support is significant, worryingly so.

I think we tend to think of Trump as a Gemma O'Doherty type loon (which he is) the difference is Trump has a lot of support in the US while Gemma is just a joke here with a handful of followers.

Trump might eventually go away but his caustic legacy is here to stay.

Exactly , Trump is just a visceral manifestation of a much large , far more worrying underlying problem.