Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

gmisk

mcmoustache wrote: »

The President of the USA

Outstanding lol.

I get the feeling he won't be on twitter much longer when his special status as president is gone.

Quin_Dub

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

So this was this when the democrats appealed that quote came from, got a link for the latest on that, that it has been resolved?
This was the case I was referring to: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pennsylvania-judge-permits-campaign-observers-close-view-ballot/story?id=74040279

The last I read was that the democrats appealed the order, I thought certain counting had not taken place because of it.

They appealed because what the GOP *wanted* was to have significantly more "poll watchers" allowed in and to be able to get right up close to the counters.

What they got from the judge was exactly the same number of watchers that they had always been allowed and the judge explicitly defined the distance they could stand at as 6 feet.

Up to that , the distance had been undefined , just loosely covered by "Observing Covid Rules".

So literally all the GOP got from their court case was for a Judge to define that "Socially distant" meant 6ft.

A measurement that anyone with a pulse on the entire planet has been excruciatingly aware of since last March.

But yeah , as Trump declared.. "Massive win"!!!!!

Blackhorse Slim

One thing to keep in mind there are not 70 million Trumpists in the US. The vast majority of people who voted for him are Republicans who don't want to see a Democrat in the White House, or people who don't like Trump but agree with some of his policies.

Once this is over, the GOP will move on, and he'll try to return to reality TV to help pay his campaign debts and legal bills. He does have a lot of hardcore support, but nowhere near half the country.

Billy Mays

mcmoustache wrote: »

The President of the USA

He won't like that... :pac:

cnocbui

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

With the best socialist healthcare the American taxpayers can provide.

The Uk and Australia have wonderful socialist health care systems. Taxpayers money very well spent. Spending taxpayers money to provide taxpayers with healthcare - it would take a twisted republican mindset to find fault with such a concept.

Call Me Jimmy

gmisk wrote: »

That's not what you said, that was
"It also claims poll watchers were allowed observe the counts in both cities, which is itself false."

Agreed poll watchers were allowed they were asked to keep a 6 foot distance due to this whole you know pandemic that is going on you might have heard of it.
To note there were a record number of cases yesterday in the USA under Trump's watch btw.

They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?

LuckyLloyd

km991148 wrote: »

Not s chance.

Like I say, 50 quid on if he admits defeat without blaming the whole world, will probably double it if he does anything congratulatory towards Biden (and I'd include attendance in that).

We are moving towards a point in the next few hours where Trump's acceptance or not of the reality will cease to matter.

Ideally and usually what would be happening at this point is Trump graciously conceding defeat, using his remaining campaign money to keep his legal teams ticking over in protection of his interests while giving a short and calming speech.

Trump's refusal to do that creates uncertainty and an illusion that the race is in doubt. It isn't. He has lost. So eventually the networks and press projection desks will call this; Biden will make an acceptance speech; engage a transition team; start acting like the President elect. Trump's acceptance or not of the real world at that point will be outflanked.

Doctors room ghost

gmisk wrote: »

Outstanding lol.

I get the feeling he won't be on twitter much longer when his special status as president is gone.

He’s an embarrassment to mankind.an ignorant imbecile of the highest order to be carrying on like that

km991148

cnocbui wrote: »

Maybe because Trump's neice, who has a Phd in psychology, has made such a diagnosis and is more than qualified enough to do so.





To say you haven't a leg to stand on would be putting it mildly.

I'm not entirely sure how to discuss his behaviour outside the context of at least one, if not several, severe personality disorders.

I will stick to discussing his behaviour and it's consistency with these disorders as those are facts (his behaviour is consistent and there are published works to verify this).

If the mods feel this is unreasonable then I would like to know how this subject can be safely discussed.

km991148

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

We are moving towards a point in the next few hours where Trump's acceptance or not of the reality will cease to matter.

Ideally and usually what would be happening at this point is Trump graciously conceding defeat, using his remaining campaign money to keep his legal teams ticking over in protection of his interests while giving a short and calming speech.

Trump's refusal to do that creates uncertainty and an illusion that the race is in doubt. It isn't. He has lost. So eventually the networks and press projection desks will call this; Biden will make an acceptance speech; engage a transition team; start acting like the President elect. Trump's acceptance or not of the real world at that point will be outflanked.

Oh absolutely, I'm just saying you won't hear any if that coming from Trumps mouth.

namloc1980

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?

They were allowed at all times but were asked to move back. They went to court to get moved back to 6ft. The conspiracy theory being put out by Trump and his supporters that they were not allowed into the count centre at all is BS and extremely dangerous.

I mean you can literally watch the count being live streamed on line at all times FFS!

Call Me Jimmy

namloc1980 wrote: »

They were allowed at all times but were asked to move back. They went to court to get moved back to 6ft. The conspiracy theory being put out by Trump and his supporters that they were not allowed into the count centre at all is BS and extremely dangerous.

I mean you can literally watch the count being live streamed on line at all times FFS!

I never said that so I don't know what you're talking about conspiracy theories.

The city of Philadelphia appealed the decision that Quin Dub referred to and last I heard it was going to the Supreme Court.

mcmoustache

namloc1980 wrote: »

They were allowed at all times but were asked to move back. They went to court to get moved back to 6ft. The conspiracy theory being put out by Trump and his supporters that they were not allowed into the count centre at all is BS and extremely dangerous.

I mean you can literally watch the count being live streamed on line at all times FFS!

Trump's lawyers admitted that they were allowed in.
https://twitter.com/kadhim/status/1324485343274557443
This is just a disinformation campaign from Trump and people are falling for it.

baaba maal

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?

They had the exact same conditions of attendance as the Dem observers and this was tweaked minimally to allow them (all) get a bit closer- why do you keep returning to this as if it is significant?

The only way it would be significant is if the Reps were coming out of the count centre with cases of fraud- and you know that they haven't. They got the tweak they wanted and it hasn't resulted in a single case of voter fraud being discovered.

namloc1980

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I never said that so I don't know what you're talking about conspiracy theories.

The city of Philadelphia appealed the decision that Quin Dub referred to and last I heard it was going to the Supreme Court.

So you accept observers were present at all times but the dispute is over how close to the count staff they could get?

gmisk

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

They were allowed within a 6 foot distance AFTER going to court and even that order which included compliance with covid restrictions was then appealed.

That is the last I heard, what happened next that I missed?

Your moving the goal posts...yet....again.
The agreed procedures were followed and observers were allowed in. They then wanted the distance reduced to 6 foot. The count was stopped, that change was eventually allowed.
Even though it probably shouldn't have been imo given the fact there is a pandemic.

Trump and his team are literally grasping at straws for anything. It is not and will not work.
https://www.dw.com/en/dw-fact-check-debunking-election-misinformation-online/a-55507603

gmisk

mcmoustache wrote: »

Trump's lawyers admitted that they were allowed in.
https://twitter.com/kadhim/status/1324485343274557443
This is just a disinformation campaign from Trump and people are falling for it.

Non zero number....christ what a dope!

cnocbui

km991148 wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure how to discuss his behaviour outside the context of at least one, if not several, severe personality disorders.

I will stick to discussing his behaviour and it's consistency with these disorders as those are facts (his behaviour is consistent and there are published works to verify this).

If the mods feel this is unreasonable then I would like to know how this subject can be safely discussed.

Sorry, I was addressing the first comment I quoted and misinterpreted it . You were perfectly right to state narcissistic personality disorder as at least three people qualified to make such a diagnosis have done so, as per the link I provided, so it's not conjecture or libellous.

duploelabs

namloc1980 wrote: »

Do these look like the words of a man getting ready to concede?. He tweeted this about 10 minutes ago:

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Ctrl c+v from the guardian

The president of the United States has just now again baselessly asserted on Twitter that “Tens of thousands of votes were illegally received after 8 P.M. on Tuesday, Election Day, totally and easily changing the results in Pennsylvania and certain other razor thin states.”

It is boring writing it, you may be bored reading it, but I cannot stress enough that this is simply not true.

Mail-in and absentee votes that arrive after the end of polling on election day have been valid, legal and counted in various states for decades.

They include ballots arriving from military posted overseas. That is an entirely normal part of the American democratic process.

In fact, to be clear, all of these states, some of which are Republican, allow mail-in ballots which are postmarked on 3 November or before to arrive after 8pm on election day and be counted. These are their deadlines.

Texas (4 November)
Virginia (Noon on 6 November)
Kansas (6 November)
Kentucky (6 November)
Massachusetts (6 November)
Pennsylvania (6 November - subject to legal challenge)
Iowa (9 November)
North Dakota (9 November)
West Virginia (9 November)
Minnesota (10 November - subject to legal challenge)
Mississippi (10 November)
Nevada (10 November)
New Jersey (10 November)
New York (10 November)
North Carolina (12 November)
Alaska (by 13 November)
District of Columbia (13 November)
Maryland (13 November)
Ohio (13 November, result not announced til 28 November)
Illinois (17 November)
Utah (17 November)
California (20 November)
Washington (23 November)

irishfeen

America has lost its way so much since this transfer of power....

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325080771112087553?s=21

new yorker piece by jane meyer before the election, michael cohn, former trump attorney speaking:

"Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney, told me, “He will not concede. Never, ever, ever.” He went on, “I believe he’s going to challenge the validity of the vote in each and every state he loses—claiming ballot fraud, seeking to undermine the process and invalidate it.”
...

Cohen is so certain that Trump will lose that he recently placed a ten-thousand-dollar bet on it. “He’ll blame everyone except for himself,” Cohen said. “Every day, he’ll rant and rave and yell and scream about how they stole the Presidency from him. He’ll say he won by millions and millions of ballots, and they cheated with votes from dead people and people who weren’t born yet. He’ll tell all sorts of lies and activate his militias. It’s going to be a pathetic show. But, by stacking the Supreme Court, he’ll think he can get an injunction. Trump repeats his lies over and over with the belief that the more he tells them the more people will believe them. We all wish he’d just shut up, but the problem is he won’t."

Call Me Jimmy

baaba maal wrote: »

They had the exact same conditions of attendance as the Dem observers and this was tweaked minimally to allow them (all) get a bit closer- why do you keep returning to this as if it is significant?

The only way it would be significant is if the Reps were coming out of the count centre with cases of fraud- and you know that they haven't. They got the tweak they wanted and it hasn't resulted in a single case of voter fraud being discovered.

It's a conversation, I'm replying to other people's points after I fact-checked the fact-checkers and I was accused of lying. I thought maybe I was mistaken but that doesn't appear to be the case. If you are appealing an order all the way to the supreme court that says observers must be allowed within an adequate distance to observe, then observation is not meeting legal requirements.

Yes it's pedantic, but fact-checkers themselves have been extremely pedantic at times and my overall point is, fact-checking can be just as misleading as anything if it is more than the most straightforward of claims like what an official statistic was.

gmisk

irishfeen wrote: »

America has lost its way so much since this transfer of power....

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325080771112087553?s=21

The video of the concession speech given by John McCain is also excellent.
Trump and his team have dragged American politics into the gutter. It's sad to see.

km991148

cnocbui wrote: »

Sorry, I was addressing the first comment I quoted and misinterpreted it . You were perfectly right to state narcissistic personality disorder as at least three people qualified to make such a diagnosis have done so, as per the link I provided, so it's not conjecture or libellous.

No, I get that too. But I was carded. I guess I'm just saying this to seek clarification and show no harm meant.

I'm actually against sticking the boot in Trump as this entire period if history is just sad. It's not Trumps fault he is who he is.

I think the more important thing is to understand what he represented to his followers and go from there. As obviously there is something missing in politics and he temporarily filled that hole.

It's just a tradegy that I think (due to signs that point towards narcissism) he is full of sh!t and only pretended to align with certain groups because he fed off that support - it was all about the ego!

That causes all sorts of problems, including feelings of resentment and being duped, which some people will not want to admit.

thecretinhop

how come Joe Biden like trump in every state had down ticket numbers except in 4 key states?? it stinks..

Cody montana

Matt Gaetz has coronavirus, per Politico.

km991148

Do you know what pisses me off most..

Fcukwits like this on the sideline, milking the situation for every last penny, not realising or caring what effect their words have

https://youtu.be/bQfXCwf3ssY

Call Me Jimmy

gmisk wrote: »

Your moving the goal posts...yet....again.
The agreed procedures were followed and observers were allowed in. They then wanted the distance reduced to 6 foot. The count was stopped, that change was eventually allowed.
Even though it probably shouldn't have been imo given the fact there is a pandemic.

Trump and his team are literally grasping at straws for anything. It is not and will not work.
https://www.dw.com/en/dw-fact-check-debunking-election-misinformation-online/a-55507603

The PA Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the question of observers: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/us/politics/election-courts.html

km991148

ElitesTeam wrote: »

voting machine "glitch" and postal workers backing dating to win it for the demacorrupts

Four legs good!

namloc1980

ElitesTeam wrote: »

voting machine "glitch" and postal workers backing dating to win it for the demacorrupts

Oh there you are again. We'll see you in a few hours when you post another baseless nonsense post. Bye!