Vat fraud??

Nigzcurran

Stop feeding/indulging this nonsense!

baalad

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't say so. You'd need to bring it to your employers attention to organise a deal like that. Considering this is gross misconduct, I wouldn't expect to continue working there for long. Also I see in another thread you mention you've been temporarily laid off due to COVID. The company might not have the spare cash to bail you out.

What iam trying to say is that if he ordered the tv for the purposes of selling it to a consumer then there wouldnt be an issue so couldnt he theoretically sell it to me and i pay the vat.

Thats surely a viable solution

Car99

Paid in pounds for a TV and got the option to buy without VAT eventhough you're not a business. I dont know of any company in the UK that would give that option on a website to a random internet customer . HMRC would not approve.

baalad

Car99 wrote: »

Paid in pounds for a TV and got the option to buy without VAT eventhough you're not a business. I dont know of any company in the UK that would give that option on a website to a random internet customer . HMRC would not approve.

I was shocked by that too to be honest . I never came across a website that lets you enter the vat number as if its a discount code!

Iam up the walls stressing over it now. Stupid stupid decision! Ideally i want a solution that doesn't involve having to send it back but i may have too!

baalad

baalad wrote: »

I was shocked by that too to be honest . I never came across a website that lets you enter the vat number as if its a discount code!

Iam up the walls stressing over it now. Stupid stupid decision! Ideally i want a solution that doesn't involve having to send it back but i may have too!

Look it's done now nothing you can do, not worth stressing yourself to bits over it.

Just do whatever you need to do to return the TV and get a full refund from them and say nothing to your boss.

If anything ever comes if it just come clean and say you returned it and there should be no issue however it's very unlikely anything will ever come of it.

Forget holding into this though just return it and order it again even if you need to take a hit on the shipping to send to back.

From experience you should be able to cancel the order and the shipping company send it back before it ever reaches you.

An Ri rua

baalad wrote: »

If iam liable for money then ill pay it. No big deal. Iam trying to rectify any wrong doing not get away with theft. I just didnt give it much thought at the time and who wouldnt want to save 1000 euro ???

Who wouldn't want to save another 4k too. You could have used the company credit card. Or raised a PO. Sure who is it hurting anyway? No one of course. All these silly rules. Sure there was no VAT when our fathers were kids.

An Ri rua

baalad wrote: »

Your talking as if revenue are the ****in mafia. Relax man. Theres no guarantee revenue will even pick up on this! I saved around 800 euro to be exact. Ya'd swear i was after robbing about 10 grand

Jes*s, you're coming across as a real fool here. Revenue will chew you up and spit you out. They're not the Mafia, they're more like the machines in the Matrix. A number of people have advised you well, particularly Kyree Bewildered Viewfinder, but you're not listening. A friend shook a fool like you down for something similar. An amateur landlord buying a 50" TV for his tenants (decent soul) but, strangely, delivery docket said his house. Your transaction will be flagged.
Oh, and what's the harm? F*cking with VAT is what allows one small outfit destroy another on price. It's real red flag stuff. If you're messing with VAT, you're well worth an audit. You too, by the way, as an individual. Certainly an aspect query. If they hone in on you, you'd better be sure you don't flag for any other little innocent frauds. You're quacking like a duck amigo and Revenue have a peashooter for a little duck like you. You're no match for them.
Additionally, your attitude to other citizens displayed earlier is sickening. (Edit- you have the appropriate fear now).
Are you looking for help to put things right? Or comfort. You won't get comfort here for robbing. If you made a mistake, sort it. Otherwise, man up if you're so smart (posts say you're not btw).

An Ri rua

baalad wrote: »

I was shocked by that too to be honest . I never came across a website that lets you enter the vat number as if its a discount code!

Iam up the walls stressing over it now. Stupid stupid decision! Ideally i want a solution that doesn't involve having to send it back but i may have too!

You can end the stress by taking good advice from people here. Trust me, I lay awake, a night or two, years ago when I was young and stupid, and shed a tear over fear of Revenue. Got bad advice from a book-keeper. Swallowed the fine and moved on.
I wish you well, and no stress, but sort yourself out. Fraud is fraud. Worse when you know well it is.

An Ri rua

Deagol wrote: »

Which is it??

Currency fluctuations boss.

wally1990

baalad wrote: »

Your talking as if revenue are the ****in mafia. Relax man. Theres no guarantee revenue will even pick up on this! I saved around 800 euro to be exact. Ya'd swear i was after robbing about 10 grand

OP is surely trolling?

An Ri rua

wally1990 wrote: »

OP is surely trolling?

Based on my experience in the trenches, likely not.

atilladehun

Don't stress yourself. Just do everything right from now on.

Every company has returns. It might cost you money, just do it. They've shipped it to you. You can ship it right back. Look on their site now. Start contacting and printing what you need to.

I know you want to keep it and you're happy to pay for it but that may not be the point. By returning the item you may get to delete the sale. Suck it up.

Black Friday sales in a week or two, you'll get a telly and it won't be bothering you for up to 5 years.

Jim2007

baalad wrote: »

What iam trying to say is that if he ordered the tv for the purposes of selling it to a consumer then there wouldnt be an issue so couldnt he theoretically sell it to me and i pay the vat.

Thats surely a viable solution

A definite no. There is no purchase nor import in the company’s name so you would be asking them to create a fraudulent transaction.

mrbubbles

As others have said, a very stupid and naive thing to do.

But I think you have realised that now, so by way of a possible resolution: try contacting the company and explain that you shouldn't have put through the transaction with the VAT number. Ask if they can put through a new transaction WITHOUT a VAT number and then void/refund the previous transaction. That way, the "business to business" transaction is replaced by a "business to consumer" transaction, which is what it should have been in this case.

This does rely on a) you having the money to cover the second transaction until the first is refunded and b) that the VAT number won't be reported on a refunded transaction; but if those both work out then the damage should be mitigated.

The reason that you'll need to make a second payment before asking for a refund of the first is that, ideally, you don't want to have to send the TV back and they are VERY unlikely to issue a refund first, given that you are still in possession of the goods.

optogirl

baalad wrote: »

I posted here to seek advice because i didn't understand how it works etc I didnt post here for help on how to avoid tax etc

Iam more the wiser now and i wont be doing it again! As i said. Nobody was murdered. I saved a few euro god forbid. Ill pay back any costs that are owed to revenue when it comes to it

You would save more money by just stealing it outright. You could put all your rubbish in your neighbours bins and piggy back on their Wifi. You could fill your car with petrol at the garage and drive off. What harm? Nobody died.

baalad

Kyree Bewildered Viewfinder wrote: »

Look it's done now nothing you can do, not worth stressing yourself to bits over it.

Just do whatever you need to do to return the TV and get a full refund from them and say nothing to your boss.

If anything ever comes if it just come clean and say you returned it and there should be no issue however it's very unlikely anything will ever come of it.

Forget holding into this though just return it and order it again even if you need to take a hit on the shipping to send to back.

From experience you should be able to cancel the order and the shipping company send it back before it ever reaches you.

Cheers for at least offering some form of constructive criticism. Ideally id like to resolve the issue without sending it back of course but if i have to do that then i will. I plan to contact revenue Monday to explain things and if i can resolve it with them somehow that would be great otherwise i will return the product to the sender and request a refund and then re purchase as advised here.

It was a foolish decision i made. I gave it no thought and had no clue how vat works or what the consequences were. Iam sure iam not the only person to do this but iam trying to do the right thing now.

baalad

For anyone thats being helpful and offering constructive advice. Thank you. To the rest of you - we all mess up and do stupid ****. Don't be so quick to judge. Iam well aware at this stage how stupid i was. Lesson learnt!

Sleeper12

I have a business amazon account. I don't pay VAT on goods from other EU countries. I do have to include the receipts in my accounts & I do have to declare it to revenue here in Ireland when I do vat returns.

You could land your boss in trouble or put the eye on hin/her

bikeman1

baalad wrote: »

For anyone thats being helpful and offering constructive advice. Thank you. To the rest of you - we all mess up and do stupid ****. Don't be so quick to judge. Iam well aware at this stage how stupid i was. Lesson learnt!

I’m glad to read that you are saying lesson learned!

My saying to people is if it sounds to good to be true - then it probably is!

As many of us in the tax world know, Revenue have almighty powers and knowledge. They are not a force to be messed with in the slightest. They have far more powers than the Gardaí and if anyone thinks they don’t use it, they’re badly mistaken.

I have seen this happen in a legitimate case. Revenue will be electronically notified that an Irish VAT number was used for a transaction. The VAT return and associated VIES return will not be filed correctly and further investigation will ensue. In the situation I came across, they just hadn’t filed the VAT3 correctly but the goods were legit.

There would be the tax, interest and penalties due.

The whole thing needs to be fully reversed and made correct.

One other thing, a business can’t claim non Irish VAT on their Irish VAT returns. So HMRC UK VAT stays in the UK.

baalad

I have checked the tracking and the product is has not left the uk yet so i have emailed the company in the hope they can cancel the shipment. Ideally id like to pay in full and then have this order refunded are erased but i dont have the funds to order in full so i will likely have to receive a refund before i can re-order. Hopefully it works out for me.

baalad

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I have a business amazon account. I don't pay VAT on goods from other EU countries. I do have to include the receipts in my accounts & I do have to declare it to revenue here in Ireland when I do vat returns.

You could land your boss in trouble or put the eye on hin/her

Thats what i feel guilty about. I can live with getting myself in trouble but not getting someone else in trouble because of my mistake. I have a very good relationship with my boss so last thing i want is to get him in trouble.

I have made contact with the seller so i hope it can be resolved without any issues.

I know you guys might laugh but i was clueless to what i was doing. It was so hard to believe that it could be so easy to get it discounted and i didnt for a second think about the consequences. It was a stupid rash decision but the stress its caused me is unbelievable. You live and learn i guess.

baalad

baalad wrote: »

I have checked the tracking and the product is has not left the uk yet so i have emailed the company in the hope they can cancel the shipment. Ideally id like to pay in full and then have this order refunded are erased but i dont have the funds to order in full so i will likely have to receive a refund before i can re-order. Hopefully it works out for me.

baalad wrote: »

Cheers for at least offering some form of constructive criticism. Ideally id like to resolve the issue without sending it back of course but if i have to do that then i will. I plan to contact revenue Monday to explain things and if i can resolve it with them somehow that would be great otherwise i will return the product to the sender and request a refund and then re purchase as advised here.

It was a foolish decision i made. I gave it no thought and had no clue how vat works or what the consequences were. Iam sure iam not the only person to do this but iam trying to do the right thing now.

Mate what the ****.

Say nothing to your boss under any circumstances and do not contact revenue under any circumstances


Return the TV or whatever you ordered and get a full refund, stop trying to keep the ****ing thing you ordered.

You need to make this as if it ever happened, stop trying to keep the goods. Send them back and get a refund and stop being an idiot. Is your job worth shipping costs, Jesus.

Return the thing and say nothing to anyone, don't say anything to your boss and don't say anything to revenue, that's the last I will say on it.

Car99

baalad wrote: »

I plan to contact revenue Monday to explain things and if i can resolve it with them somehow .

If you can reverse the order completely I'm not sure that revenue would need to be involved.

baalad

I already notified my Boss just so he's aware IF anything did pop up. Each to their own but i felt that was the honourable thing to do. We are close so i know he will be ok with it once he knows iam doing the right thing. I will deny/return the order once it arrives and re-order once i receive my refund.

What a stressful mess this has been!

baalad

baalad wrote: »

I already notified my Boss just so he's aware IF anything did pop up. Each to their own but i felt that was the honourable thing to do. We are close so i know he will be ok with it once he knows iam doing the right thing. I will deny/return the order once it arrives and re-order once i receive my refund.

What a stressful mess this has been!

Good choice, I actually touched on this topic recently where it looks like another poster was doing something similar to you without realising consequences

Gumbo wrote: »

Normal story for main dealers.

I always buy from camskill using a vat number to get the vat off and then get fitted locally.

Mayo_fan wrote: »

You have disclosed your car and your white collar profession many times on this forum as well as your reg. Assuming the tyres (“always”) are for this car then you may want to think a little harder is it worth it as there are serious consequences for what you are doing. And if you want to continue with the risk keep it to yourself.......

Camskills record your VAT number and all eu countries share this type data between themselves(specific returns for eu exports). Revenue have access to records to state that vat number xx imported tyres, next step is the owner of this vat number should disclose as an import on their vat return (and if necessary pay the private element). Revenues expectation is that these tyres are being used wholly and exclusively for a business purpose so if they find out they are not they will obviously get suspicious of what else is going on and can extend the scope of their investigations to a full scale audit of all taxes

Of course if all is above board them as a mod you should consider explaining yourself better rather than giving posters false hope

atilladehun

baalad wrote: »

I already notified my Boss just so he's aware IF anything did pop up. Each to their own but i felt that was the honourable thing to do. We are close so i know he will be ok with it once he knows iam doing the right thing. I will deny/return the order once it arrives and re-order once i receive my refund.

What a stressful mess this has been!

Hopefully a decent slagging is all you'll get.

I'm not an authority on this but I'd imagine with a direct return or cancellation then the transaction didn't happen in the eyes of revenue. If you can achieve this then don't waste their time or draw their attention towards your boss.

baalad

atilladehun wrote: »

Hopefully a decent slagging is all you'll get.

I'm not an authority on this but I'd imagine with a direct return or cancellation then the transaction didn't happen in the eyes of revenue. If you can achieve this then don't waste their time or draw their attention towards your boss.

Believe it or not his exact response was that "9 times out of 10 it wont cause any implications but that none the less, its best not to take the risk"

Can anyone actually confirm btw, that returning / refusing delivery will indeed void the sale?? If theres still going to be a record of the sale then my efforts to rectify this will be for nothing!

I would of course be confident if the order was cancelled BEFORE the product was shipped but does the fact its already shipped and paid for change things??

frozenfrozen

If you cancel its no different than saying your autocomplete filled in the vat number box when you bought without noticing.

Don't **** with vat. Parents were audited because people were using their vat number to bring in lots of stuff. Hassle for nothing. There should be 2 factor authentication on vat numbers. Or something where you have to approve the transaction for it to go through. Imagine how much vat fraud goes on

baalad

frozenfrozen wrote: »

If you cancel its no different than saying your autocomplete filled in the vat number box when you bought without noticing.

Don't **** with vat. Parents were audited because people were using their vat number to bring in lots of stuff. Hassle for nothing. There should be 2 factor authentication on vat numbers. Or something where you have to approve the transaction for it to go through. Imagine how much vat fraud goes on

I agree to be honest. I couldn't believe how easy it was. It was literally the equivalent to just popping in a discount code pretty much. Iam not going to condone it but it was a no brainer for me at the moment of purchase. I saw a huge discount immediately and i did not see how it could come back to me in that moment. I just thought wow amazing, i just saved myself a few hundred euro.

It wasn't until afterwards i started dwelling on it and i had no idea how big a deal it was until i posted here.

I understand better now but at the time i didn't feel like i was committing a crime. I just thought i was being smart!

Given how easy it was though, theres got to be hundreds if not thousands of people doing the same thing!

Also, with regards to cancelling the product. If the order is shipped and paid for then i cannot technically cancel it. I can deny/return the order (which is my intention) but is this the same as cancelling??

frozenfrozen

Id say what you did gets caught a lot, easy to do easy to detect.

They might get a list of all vat number usage and just put it against their list of who owns the vat number.

Return the TV and nothing will happen. If anything did happen just say you accidentally used it and cancelled the order when you realised. Not even a lie at that point

baalad

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Id say what you did gets caught a lot, easy to do easy to detect.

They might get a list of all vat number usage and just put it against their list of who owns the vat number.

Return the TV and nothing will happen. If anything did happen just say you accidentally used it and cancelled the order when you realised. Not even a lie at that point

Generally how does it work? Let's say you buy something and you pay ex vat using a random vat number. At some point revenue come across that sale right?? Why exactly would that be a big issue though ? Wouldn't they just assume the company obviously ordered it??

If for instance the company specialise in cars and revenue see the sale of a car parts. Wouldn't they not just assume the vat number was used legitametly by the company??

Forgive me if iam being thick. Iam just trying to understand how it all works and how revenue actually catch people who do this?

I know for sure companies buy personal items all the time and put it through the books and never heard of them being prosecuted. Its obviously different if a person is not vat registered but is producing a vat number although from revenues perspective how do they know it wasnt the company that ordered??

wench

Have you heard of a little thing called VAT returns?
If it doesn't all add up, it will be flagged and can trigger an audit

https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/accounting-for-vat/how-to-account-for-value-added-tax/how-do-you-complete-a-vat3-return.aspx

atilladehun

Well companies could but shouldn't buy parts and sell them for cash to customers ex vat. This would be illegal. Revenue would like to see the paperwork to ensure this didn't happen.

When companies put things through the books like you say it is illegal. If it is the company owner then that person is taking the personal risk. If it is an employee then it is a fireable and prosecutable offence.

baalad

wench wrote: »

Have you heard of a little thing called VAT returns?
If it doesn't all add up, it will be flagged and can trigger an audit

https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/accounting-for-vat/how-to-account-for-value-added-tax/how-do-you-complete-a-vat3-return.aspx

Again, forgive my stupidity but i thought that your vat returns where when you bought a product and you paid vat, and you then send of proof of all your vat returns in order to reclaim the vat???

In this instance the vat is deducted and never charged at the point of sale so you are never looking to get a vat return on this sale.

baalad

Lets say a company orders 10 individual products and pays the vat on them. He also orders 1 item where he never paid vat.

His books will show he saved x amount vat in total but his paperwork will suggest the 11th item was never ordered to begin with as theres no paperwork?? Am i getting there or am i still off the mark lol

frozenfrozen

baalad wrote: »

Generally how does it work? Let's say you buy something and you pay ex vat using a random vat number. At some point revenue come across that sale right?? Why exactly would that be a big issue though ? Wouldn't they just assume the company obviously ordered it??

If for instance the company specialise in cars and revenue see the sale of a car parts. Wouldn't they not just assume the vat number was used legitametly by the company??

Forgive me if iam being thick. Iam just trying to understand how it all works and how revenue actually catch people who do this?

I know for sure companies buy personal items all the time and put it through the books and never heard of them being prosecuted. Its obviously different if a person is not vat registered but is producing a vat number although from revenues perspective how do they know it wasnt the company that ordered??

Don't know how it works from their end but I dont think its done as much as you think. Yes people will blur the lines between their business and personal use but I dont think its right to assume employees are using their employers vat number for personal items.

They will somehow get a list of every irish vat number used and then by random selection or a computer see the ones that are with an address / credit card not usually associated with that business. Then look any closer and that item isn't listed in their vat returns...

They care because they might be sending that company a vat refund when that item being bought could actually mean they aren't entitled to the same refund etc.

Its not a nobody loses out situation because the vat needs to balance out or else revenue would be subsidising your TV

frozenfrozen

There will always be paperwork if you are buying from somewhere that sells exvat because they will be declaring to their country revenue the reason they sold it exvat

drunkmonkey

baalad wrote: »

If the product was bought for business use then it would be ok right? Couldnt he just say that it was for business use?

Yes he could if it ever came up, I've had two revenue vat inspections and it's not this kind of thing on their radar. The mistake you made was not asking your boss first, is this a laptop, screen etc it could be considered for business use.
You said you get on well with them, own up to it and let them figure out the course of action.

Grueller

atilladehun wrote: »

Don't stress yourself. Just do everything right from now on.

Every company has returns. It might cost you money, just do it. They've shipped it to you. You can ship it right back. Look on their site now. Start contacting and printing what you need to.

I know you want to keep it and you're happy to pay for it but that may not be the point. By returning the item you may get to delete the sale. Suck it up.

Black Friday sales in a week or two, you'll get a telly and it won't be bothering you for up to 5 years.

I thought there was no limit on the length that revenue could go back?

baalad

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes he could if it ever came up, I've had two revenue vat inspections and it's not this kind of thing on their radar. The mistake you made was not asking your boss first, is this a laptop, screen etc it could be considered for business use.
You said you get on well with them, own up to it and let them figure out the course of action.

Ive brought it up with him and honestly he reacted like it wasn't a huge deal. I explained i was cancelling / returning the order and he just said not to worry that it should have been an issue but its certainly best practice to not do it!

baalad

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Don't know how it works from their end but I dont think its done as much as you think. Yes people will blur the lines between their business and personal use but I dont think its right to assume employees are using their employers vat number for personal items.

They will somehow get a list of every irish vat number used and then by random selection or a computer see the ones that are with an address / credit card not usually associated with that business. Then look any closer and that item isn't listed in their vat returns...

They care because they might be sending that company a vat refund when that item being bought could actually mean they aren't entitled to the same refund etc.

Its not a nobody loses out situation because the vat needs to balance out or else revenue would be subsidising your TV

I can understand this. If they saw the sale is attached to a particular vat number but they see that a different debit card was used then perhaps thats a flag but would they know the companies card details in order to know when a card used does not belong to the company?? Plus is it actually illegal?? If a company orders a product for business use but uses there personal card ?? Is this an issue??

drunkmonkey

baalad wrote: »

Ive brought it up with him and honestly he reacted like it wasn't a huge deal. He said not to worry that it shouldn't be a problem but that its best not to do it.

So ask a mod to close or delete this entire thread before it ends up in bargain alerts.
Anything that's got to do with your employer always ask first and I mean anything, that includes whacking the chap that shifted your Mrs in Dicey Rileys the other night.
Whether at work or not, respect your employer, your their representative 24hrs a day.

baalad

A little off topic but there is hundreds of sellers on adverts in particular that sell brand new products at cheaper then shop prices. How is this possible? Are they illegally buying them ex vat?? If they were buying new products inclusive of vat then they simply couldnt offer them for the prices they are! If assume most sellers must be buying these products ex vat in order to make a return but how can they be doing this unless they are vat registered and most of them are not in my opinion

drunkmonkey

baalad wrote: »

A little off topic but there is hundreds of sellers on adverts in particular that sell brand new products at cheaper then shop prices. How is this possible? Are they illegally buying them ex vat?? If they were buying new products inclusive of vat then they simply couldnt offer them for the prices they are! If assume most sellers must be buying these products ex vat in order to make a return but how can they be doing this unless they are vat registered and most of them are not in my opinion

As someone that competes honestly with these people I'd love to work for the revenue for a few weeks and shut them all down. I deal with some of the biggest distributors in Europe and their prices aren't possible without a vat dodge.
There's also a load of fakes, again just let me at them.

baalad

drunkmonkey wrote: »

As someone that competes honestly with these people I'd love to work for the revenue for a few weeks and shut them all down. I deal with some of the biggest distributors in Europe and their prices aren't possible without a vat dodge.
There's also a load of fakes, again just let me at them.

How are they getting away with it though?? If i wanted to sell a brand new phone for a competitive price then i would literally have to dodge the vat . Sell the item and pocket the cash! Theres no way people can do this consistently and get away with it surely?? I have seen sellers on adverts who are there years and with great feedback. You can buy the latest smartphones from these people for maybe 100 - 200 less then what you pay in the shops and they aren't flogging unwanted upgrades because they are selling tons of phones.

Wouldnt it be easy for revenue to contact the likes of adverts and get names, i.p addresses and so forth and investigate these people? Some operate under "business names" so they appear to have shops etc yet their prices are are well below any official outlet.

wyndham

baalad wrote: »

How are they getting away with it though?? If i wanted to sell a brand new phone for a competitive price then i would literally have to dodge the vat . Sell the item and pocket the cash! Theres no way people can do this consistently and get away with it surely?? I have seen sellers on adverts who are there years and with great feedback. You can buy the latest smartphones from these people for maybe 100 - 200 less then what you pay in the shops and they aren't flogging unwanted upgrades because they are selling tons of phones

No wages, rent, insurance, rates, heat, light, waste charges, and the myriad of other things that go with bricks and mortar stores.

baalad

wyndham wrote: »

No wages, rent, insurance, rates, heat, light, waste charges, and the myriad of other things that go with bricks and mortar stores.

Cant be that easy though! Sure if it was then wouldn't i be best to give up the day job. Register for vat and start trading from home?? Your always gonna make a few quid if you can sell brand new products cheaper then the shops

frozenfrozen

You have to charge vat on what you sell... if you know this little about vat dont do any more fiddling attempts

20/20

baalad wrote: »

A little off topic but there is hundreds of sellers on adverts in particular that sell brand new products at cheaper then shop prices. How is this possible? Are they illegally buying them ex vat?? If they were buying new products inclusive of vat then they simply couldnt offer them for the prices they are! If assume most sellers must be buying these products ex vat in order to make a return but how can they be doing this unless they are vat registered and most of them are not in my opinion

Do you tie up your own shoelaces in the morning.?
You cant be serious, have you not learnt anything over two days of comments.
Iam wondering is this just a setup and your real aim is to get enough info on how to defraud revenue.

wonski

baalad wrote: »

How are they getting away with it though?? If i wanted to sell a brand new phone for a competitive price then i would literally have to dodge the vat . Sell the item and pocket the cash! Theres no way people can do this consistently and get away with it surely?? I have seen sellers on adverts who are there years and with great feedback. You can buy the latest smartphones from these people for maybe 100 - 200 less then what you pay in the shops and they aren't flogging unwanted upgrades because they are selling tons of phones.

Wouldnt it be easy for revenue to contact the likes of adverts and get names, i.p addresses and so forth and investigate these people? Some operate under "business names" so they appear to have shops etc yet their prices are are well below any official outlet.

Grey imports.

They never used vat number to purchase them. They buy them from non EU places that specialise in delivering them without being stopped by customs.

They can't stop every package coming to the country, but providing vat number to the EU sellers makes it a lot easier for Revenue.

It is different "business model".