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With all due respect, what qualifies you to question the HSE ?
I'd imagine being a taxpayer would qualify them, we're all stake holders and entitled to ask questions - HSE Charter0 -
Plumbthedepths wrote: »Actually that discussion demonstrated the type of person you are. At least you have stopped posting about other children you watch whilst drinking your coffee.
Sort of person I am ? Certainly, I’m the sort of person who from minute one of the pandemic has been doing their upmost to enable the safety and wellbeing of both myself, loved ones and indeed anybody.
I’m going to 100% stick up for my girlfriend who as I said, suffers from asthma. Her condition is moderate to severe. Meaning if she contracts covid it could have very serious consequences for her, up to including death.
She takes medication and uses a nebulizer.
She was INSTRUCTED by her doctor not to see patients in person.
A patient and his parents were informed of this, but STILL tried to insist that she saw the kid...
She gave them an ultimatum... “remote consultation via Skype or WhatsApp video or please obtain other help”...0 -
Sort of person I am ? Certainly, I’m the sort of person who from minute one of the pandemic has been doing their upmost to enable the safety and wellbeing of both myself, loved ones and indeed anybody.
I’m going to 100% stick up for my girlfriend who as I said, suffers from asthma. Her condition is moderate to severe. Meaning if she contracts covid it could have very serious consequences for her, up to including death.
She takes medication and uses a nebulizer.
She was INSTRUCTED by her doctor not to see patients in person.
A patient and his parents were informed of this, but STILL tried to insist that she saw the kid...
She gave them an ultimatum... “remote consultation via Skype or WhatsApp video or please obtain other help”...
What sort of person spies on kids and then writes about on an internet forum?0 -
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AndyBoBandy wrote: »I am, yes, but it's definitely not as strict as back in spring time for a lot of folk.
I see visitors visiting houses in the estate where I live on an almost daily basis, and it's frustrating to see.
Spreader units Andy. It is indeed terrible, they are not in it together with us. Some of them even do old normal stuff like shake hands and hug, ewww. I took the chair away from the landing window weeks ago, It was getting very demoralising up there watching people break the rules.0 -
You’ve got some neck referring to the post which you posted in reply to as pathetic, it’s anything but.
If anything is pathetic it’s another person such as yourself, trying to scut along on the ‘mental health’ bandwagon as if that argument wasn’t as see through as the plastic raincoat of an excuse that it is.
You say....
“Mental health, other healthcare, finances, employment and socialisation are just as important when it comes to a persons long term wellbeing.”
They simply are not... yet ANOTHER person in this pandemic, attempting to USE mental health as a hall pass to scrap restrictions... although a pain in the ass restrictions have kept and are keeping people healthy, well and alive...THAT is the most important thing...they are extremely vital and supportive of in particular those working on the frontline in health... that isn’t getting recognized enough...
We need to keep going... with the easing of restrictions I’ll be doing not much different... I’ll be shopping at quiet times...instead of eating out I’m taking food home from pubs and restaurants... if everyone does the same ie. doing things that help as opposed to what they want.... we will limit the effects and tragic consequences of covid.
That’s where you’re mistaken.
Yes, SOME people are well, SOME are healthy and SOME are alive because of the lockdown, but not everyone. For some other people the restrictions have had an extremely negative impact on their health, their wellbeing, and their quality of life.
Some will also die in the future as a result of our reduced healthcare capacity and cancelled screenings/consultations.
You are happy to continue with this status quo and sacrifice these people because it’s in your interest to remain in lockdown, and that isn’t being very caring or showing much compassion towards those people at all.
Making bold statements about how mental health, overall well-being and other health issues are secondary to covid and therefore should not be prioritised might have gotten a lot of support back in March and April when we were only a few weeks in but it’s been 9 months now and it’s just not good enough any more.
They simply are important and worthy of just as much consideration as the threat of the virus.
You need to keep going because you have a high risk person in your life who you need to protect and I completely understand that and support it too.
But that isn’t true for everyone and you can’t expect them to put their lives on hold indefinitely after 9 months of sacrifice to do that.
You are coming from a position of self interest just like I and everyone else here is so lose this heroic ‘saving lives’ facade, because it’s extremely transparent.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Did you not say in this post you're done, out, over. Yet twice since then, just an hour later at 1.35am and again this morning at 8.15am you're back here berating posters for having a different viewpoint to you??)
Oh trust me, I am done - done as in done giving a single minute of my energy or consideration to anyone but myself and my own immediate family.
I am no longer interested in hearing about anyone elses job issues, or their mental health struggles or their kids futures or their cancelled hospital appointments.
I cannot think of one good reason why I should be expected to care about any of these things, when the same people who throw them in my face have openly stated that they feel they have no responsibility towards anyone but themselves and their own families. So I am taking a leaf from their book.
I have not gaslighted anyone. I have stated clearly how I feel increasingly isolated, I feel increasing sidelined - and yes, I feel I am being put at unnecessary risk by the complacency of others, but apparantly i am "selfish" for feeling that way, I am selfish for expressing it, and instead of allowing me to feel how I feel, and acknowledging that, I am accused of throwing tantrums and made out to be stupid for being concerned about contracting Covid.
I have been attacked over and over for mentioning that I left my house to pick up groceries in a car park and for trying to get a takeaway cup of coffee. That has been thrown in my face time and time again, despite the fact that I have clearly stated the circumstances, and the fact that it was during a lower level. Yet the poster who continuously attacks me for it, is allowed to do so, and has their posts liked for it.
I have not asked for lockdowns to be extended, or for anyone not to go to work. All I ever asked of anyone was for the restrictions that are in place to be complied with, but no, apparently, that makes ME a selfish tantrum throwing "devil".
So now I am also done with this thread. Take from what I've posted what you will, your opinion no longer any concern of mine and I won't be engaging here or explaining myself again, and I won't be visiting this thread again.
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That’s where you’re mistaken.
Yes, SOME people are well, SOME are healthy and SOME are alive because of the lockdown, but not everyone. For some other people the restrictions have had an extremely negative impact on their health, their wellbeing, and their quality of life.
Some will also die in the future as a result of our reduced healthcare capacity and cancelled screenings/consultations.
You are happy to continue with this status quo and sacrifice these people because it’s in your interest to remain in lockdown, and that isn’t being very caring or showing much compassion towards those people at all.
Making bold statements about how mental health, overall well-being and other health issues are secondary to covid and therefore should not be prioritised might have gotten a lot of support back in March and April when we were only a few weeks in but it’s been 9 months now and it’s just not good enough any more.
They simply are important and worthy of just as much consideration as the threat of the virus.
You need to keep going because you have a high risk person in your life who you need to protect and I completely understand that and support it too.
But that isn’t true for everyone and you can’t expect them to put their lives on hold indefinitely after 9 months of sacrifice to do that.
You are coming from a position of self interest just like I and everyone else here is so lose this heroic ‘saving lives’ facade, because it’s extremely transparent.
Sorry, I’m not mistaken, you on the other hand..
Lives are not being put on hold indefinitely.
There will be a vaccine.
My position of self interest isn’t that strong really , the only self interest is for now, remaining safe and well. I have as does my girlfriend, strength and resolve to keep doing the right things that will enable this... both for us, and others.
Lives are set up to enjoy as best we can, for now the simpler aspects of life...
When it’s over, we’ll travel, see friends and the loved ones we have missed...
What we won’t do is put ourselves or others in harms way...0 -
Sorry, I’m not mistaken, you on the other hand..
Lives are not being put on hold indefinitely.
There will be a vaccine.
My position of self interest isn’t that strong really , the only self interest is for now, remaining safe and well. I have as does my girlfriend, strength and resolve to keep doing the right things that will enable this... both for us, and others.
Lives are set up to enjoy as best we can, for now the simpler aspects of life...
When it’s over, we’ll travel, see friends and the loved ones we have missed...
What we won’t do is put ourselves or others in harms way...
It is indefinite because we don’t have a timeline as to when the majority of the population will be vaccinated. It could be summer, it could be 2021, we just don’t know.
And Tony H has made it clear that the vaccine is just a ‘compliment’ to the restrictions and has given no indication that we can expect a return to normality after the rollout.
So that to me is an indefinite amount of time and quite a big as to expect of people who have already given up 9 months of their lives.
Feel free to think and believe that but don’t assume to judge or lecture others who are not high risk and don’t have vulnerable people in their lives.
Not everyone is in the same position you are and that doesn’t make them bad people, no matter how much you try to insist otherwise.0 -
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It is indefinite because we don’t have a timeline as to when the majority of the population will be vaccinated. It could be summer, it could be 2021, we just don’t know.
And Tony H has made it clear that the vaccine is just a ‘compliment’ to the restrictions and has given no indication that we can expect a return to normality after the rollout.
So that to me is an indefinite amount of time and quite a big as to expect of people who have already given up 9 months of their lives.
Feel free to think and believe that but don’t assume to judge or lecture others who are not high risk and don’t have vulnerable people in their lives.
Not everyone is in the same position you are and that doesn’t make them bad people, no matter how much you try to insist otherwise.
We don’t have a timeline, but we will have the vaccine, that IS definite... that we do know.
Not everyone is in my position and I’m relatively alright with the support structures that I have.
Complementing is a key element and activity of any and every vaccine as related to its virus.
If I want to judge or indeed lecture others I simply will, it’s a democracy. As they can as relates to me, too.
If people are behaving in a manner that endangers even potentially the wellness, wellbeing and potentially lives of others... they are bad people, no skirting around it.0 -
We don’t have a timeline, but we will have the vaccine, that IS definite... that we do know.
Not everyone is in my position and I’m relatively alright with the support structures that I have.
Complementing is a key element and activity of any and every vaccine as related to its virus.
If I want to judge or indeed lecture others I simply will, it’s a democracy. As they can as relates to me, too.
If people are behaving in a manner that endangers even potentially the wellness, wellbeing and potentially lives of others... they are bad people, no skirting around it.
Ah, so we can’t question the HSE cause that’s wrong and we have no right, but you can question, judge and lecture whoever you like if they aren’t behaving as you think they should because we live in a democracy. Right.
The hypocrisy there is absolutely astounding.
Another example of do as I say, not what I do.
The lockdown is endangering the wellness, wellbeing and potentially lives of others, there’s no skirting around that either no matter how much you try to deny it.
I find it interesting that you find this acceptable yet lecture from your high horse expecting people make yet more sacrifices when you clearly don’t give two sh*ts about what happens to them.
We don’t know WHEN the majority of the population will be vaccinated so you are indeed expecting people to put up with this for an indefinite amount of time. We don’t even know what quarter of the year we will achieve this in, yet alone what month. It’s still pie in the sky speculation.
It seems you are obsessed with a single issue and can’t see the world beyond the prism of covid.
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Yes, I am, and so are my family.
My mum is our "bubble buddy": She is 65, no underlying conditions and lives alone. The isolation is really getting to her. When she comes up, she doesn't stay long, she keeps her distance and we don't hug.
I see my next door neighbours continue to have mass family gatherings. They've mostly obeyed the rules and these incidents are not that frequent in fairness to them.
The kids in our estate all mingle in large groups. If they are shedding viruses in homes, I haven't heard of any cases on our estate whatsapp, but then I doubt people would advertise if they have it.
Does it frustrate me? Of course. If one of my parents caught it I would be terrified. But if they caught it because of my own recklessness, I'd be terrified and angry at myself. And if the worst came to pass, I'm not sure how I'd ever get over it.
So, like most of you, I keep going. And try not to get distracted by the idiots, the anti-maskers and the anti-vaxxers. I don't believe our lockdown strategy is the right one, but it's the only one they seem to have.0 -
If people are behaving in a manner that endangers even potentially the wellness, wellbeing and potentially lives of others... they are bad people, no skirting around it.
Are you including the HSE in that? By shutting everything down in fear of Covid they have (rightly or wrongly) endangered many others.0 -
Ah, so we can’t question the HSE cause that’s wrong and we have no right, but you can question, judge and lecture whoever you like if they aren’t behaving as you think they should because we live in a democracy. Right.
The hypocrisy there is absolutely astounding.
Another example of do as I say, not what I do.
The lockdown is endangering the wellness, wellbeing and potentially lives of others, there’s no skirting around that either no matter how much you try to deny it.
I find it interesting that you find this acceptable yet lecture from your high horse expecting people make yet more sacrifices when you clearly don’t give two sh*ts about what happens to them.
We don’t know WHEN the majority of the population will be vaccinated so you are indeed expecting people to put up with this for an indefinite amount of time. We don’t even know what quarter of the year we will achieve this in, yet alone what month. It’s still pie in the sky speculation.
It seems you are obsessed with a single issue and can’t see the world beyond the prism of covid.
Sad really.
How many people has COVID killed... 2,052
Made ill... 26,744
ALL in about 8 months.
Without Covid, about 450 suicides occur in Ireland every year...give or take.
BUT... by all means keep bleating on about mental health and suicide, especially when we have a physical health problem over four and a half times more deadly than suicide and that has impacted 26,744 lives.0 -
Have I stuck to the households rule? Em, no, not if I'm being honest. But we haven't been breaching it left right and centre either.
We have had nobody except us in our house since a couple of weeks before the Level 5 restrictions came in. We have allowed our children to play outside with another two children from our estate, neither of whom are in their class at school.
I dropped my oldest to her friend's house last weekend - her mum was going to take them to the park. The friend is in her "pod" at school. The friend's mum invited me in for coffee. I shouldn't have said yes, but I did. So I stayed for about 45 minutes chatting in her kitchen. I don't feel TOO bad about it, the friend's mum is a single mother, gets no help from the father, is Russian and is working from home. I'd say she is going absolutely stir crazy with the lack of adult contact. We opened the windows and stayed back from each other. Given the kids are sitting at the same table 25 hours a week I thought it probably wasn't adding too much extra risk by sitting with the mother for a short period of time.
Other than that, we have been pretty good at stick to the recommendations.0 -
How many people has COVID killed... 2,052
Made ill... 26,744
ALL in about 8 months.
Without Covid, about 450 suicides occur in Ireland every year...give or take.
BUT... by all means keep bleating on about mental health and suicide, especially when we have a physical health problem over four and a half times more deadly than suicide and that has impacted 26,744 lives.
If somebody walked up to you
It’s not just about suicide, although mental health issues are of course very important too.
How many cancer diagnosis haven delayed or even completely missed because screenings were cancelled? How many people had treatments delayed and cancelled? How many people had surgeries postponed and delayed because of the restrictions, and are now suffering or may even die as a result?
They also count as vulnerable people, and are just as worthy of our concern and support as covid patients are.
How many of the inevitable secondary deaths to the restrictions do you think to be an acceptable number?
Do none of them matter or are you only interested in sneering and dismissing mental health issues?0 -
DirkVoodoo wrote: »Yes, I am, and so are my family.
My mum is our "bubble buddy": She is 65, no underlying conditions and lives alone. The isolation is really getting to her. When she comes up, she doesn't stay long, she keeps her distance and we don't hug.
I see my next door neighbours continue to have mass family gatherings. They've mostly obeyed the rules and these incidents are not that frequent in fairness to them.
The kids in our estate all mingle in large groups. If they are shedding viruses in homes, I haven't heard of any cases on our estate whatsapp, but then I doubt people would advertise if they have it
Comrade Yagoda and I have my brother Geoff as our bubble buddy. He also happens to be a solicitor, gives me legal advise from time to time. Not easy or discreet when we communicate through the letterbox, which is just about big enough to pass a share bag of m&ms through.0 -
It’s not just about suicide, although mental health issues are of course very important too.
How many cancer diagnosis haven delayed or even completely missed because screenings were cancelled? How many people had treatments delayed and cancelled? How many people had surgeries postponed and delayed because of the restrictions, and are now suffering or may even die as a result?
How many of the inevitable secondary deaths to the restrictions do you think to be an acceptable number?
Do none of them matter or are you only interested in sneering and dismissing mental health issues?
No cancer diagnoses have been delayed, that’s how many. That I can tell you as my cousin on visiting his GP was told to get straight down to A&E on giving info to his GP... diagnosis was swift, efficient, he had cancer.
Treatments for other conditions delayed ? There have indeed. I’m one of those people. But I’m glad that treatment was a good to have instead of a necessity.
I’m not sneering or dismissing anything. Simply offering my views in a consistent, considered and thought out manner.0 -
No cancer diagnoses have been delayed, that’s how many. That I can tell you as my cousin on visiting his GP was told to get straight down to A&E on giving info to his GP... diagnosis was swift, efficient, he had cancer.
Treatments for other conditions delayed ? There have indeed. I’m one of those people. But I’m glad that treatment was a good to have instead of a necessity.
I’m not sneering or dismissing anything. Simply offering my views in a consistent, considered and thought out manner.
Im high risk for cancer that requires yearly screenings. I'm 18 months since my last one and no appointment in sight. I'll let you know when I have my screening if I have cancer or not.0 -
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No cancer diagnoses have been delayed, that’s how many. That I can tell you as my cousin on visiting his GP was told to get straight down to A&E on giving info to his GP... diagnosis was swift, efficient, he had cancer.
Treatments for other conditions delayed ? There have indeed. I’m one of those people. But I’m glad that treatment was a good to have instead of a necessity.
I’m not sneering or dismissing anything. Simply offering my views in a consistent, considered and thought out manner.
Screenings for bowel, cervical and breast cancer were cancelled for over 5 months. Many diagnosis were delayed and possibly missed. This is a fact.
There is now a backlog in the hundreds of thousands. These cancers are typically symptomless until they have gone too far so as a result early intervention is extremely important.
Many people will develop cancer as a result of these screenings being cancelled. This is a direct consequence of the restrictions.
You knowing one person who got a diagnosis doesn’t negate the fact that our national screening program was shut down for nearly half a year, which will cost many lives. Probably even more than covid will, seeing as cancer is one of the top causes of death among Irish people.
There is not one thing consistent about your views. You’re bleating on about protecting people from covid at all costs even though doing this will negatively impact the health and wellbeing of other people.
You are prioritising one group over the other.0 -
No cancer diagnoses have been delayed, that’s how many. That I can tell you as my cousin on visiting his GP was told to get straight down to A&E on giving info to his GP... diagnosis was swift, efficient, he had cancer.
Treatments for other conditions delayed ? There have indeed. I’m one of those people. But I’m glad that treatment was a good to have instead of a necessity.
I’m not sneering or dismissing anything. Simply offering my views in a consistent, considered and thought out manner.
Seriously - hundreds of thousands of screenings have been delayed.0 -
Seriously - hundreds of thousands of screenings have been delayed.
Eh, newsflash, C19 is what matters at the moment, it’s the most important thing ever along with CO2. Will I send that in Morse code too?.. or would smoke signals be better for you?0 -
No cancer diagnoses have been delayed, that’s how many. That I can tell you as my cousin on visiting his GP was told to get straight down to A&E on giving info to his GP... diagnosis was swift, efficient, he had cancer.
Treatments for other conditions delayed ? There have indeed. I’m one of those people. But I’m glad that treatment was a good to have instead of a necessity.
I’m not sneering or dismissing anything. Simply offering my views in a consistent, considered and thought out manner.
It absolutely has been delayed . Screening is vital to detect cancer at an early stage and to treat it .0 -
Paddygreen wrote: »Eh, newsflash, C19 is what matters at the moment, it’s the most important thing ever along with CO2. Will I send that in Morse code too?.. or would smoke signals be better for you?
I gathered that a long time ago tbh.0 -
Some of the pro restrictions comments are just so wrong that it’s scary!
We can print as much money as we need...
Cancer screening wasn’t cancelled for months...
Economy will bounce right back next year anyways...
If we stay locked down, we can avoid needing another lockdown.... (My personal favourite)0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Some of the pro restrictions comments are just so wrong that it’s scary!
We can print as much money as we need...
Cancer screening wasn’t cancelled for months...
Economy will bounce right back next year anyways...
If we stay locked down, we can avoid needing another lockdown.... (My personal favourite)
All while calling the rest of us conspiracy theorists.“The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”-― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov0 -
Dr Martin Feeley who I have great respect for had an interesting take on the vaccine when interviewed by George Hook on Covid Recovery Ireland. Basically the vaccines aren't the panacea that the like of Luke O'Neill make them out to be.
So we'll be in perpetual lockdown/crisis until one of 2 things happen.
(a) The borrowed money runs out and we're told to get on with it.
(b) A campaign similar to the right to water campaign gathers sufficient momentum to force the government to end the lockdowns.0 -
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Wow!! Glad to see that this post has been dealt with appropriately.
There are some seriously disturbed individuals on this thread.
The level of abuse, name calling, hysteria, personal insults at randomers here on the Internet that they don't even know just because said randomers disagree and have another viewpoint!
Interesting but also disturbing to witness such bullying.
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It absolutely has been delayed . Screening is vital to detect cancer at an early stage and to treat it .
But its delayed because of Covid - not because of restrictions. If there were no restrictions and Covid were left rip, then hospitals would have to choose which lives to save (Covid or cancer patients). Don't blame NPHET or restrictions, the problem is and continues to be a dangerous virus.0
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