Are you adhering to the Households rule?

Lillyfae

crossman47 wrote: »

But its delayed because of Covid - not because of restrictions. If there were no restrictions and Covid were left rip, then hospitals would have to choose which lives to save (Covid or cancer patients). Don't blame NPHET or restrictions, the problem is and continues to be a dangerous virus.

Who said there should be no restrictions? There should of course be measured restrictions, but shoving normal screening and treatment out of the way for hospitalizations that might happen is more damaging at this stage of the game. NPHET are there to focus on the COVID-19 pandemic. They’re not thinking about cancer, or domestic abuse, or the economy. The government are the ones who decide if the restrictions are balanced against the other aspects of society that are affected, under advisory.

skimpydoo

Lillyfae wrote: »

Public Covid-19 restrictions worked against Covid-19 only



With all due respect, what qualifies you to deem that all treatments and screenings are going ahead where necessary on the basis of one person's account?

I was in hospital for a week earlier this year and had no problem getting every test that I needed to get.

iamwhoiam

crossman47 wrote: »

But its delayed because of Covid - not because of restrictions. If there were no restrictions and Covid were left rip, then hospitals would have to choose which lives to save (Covid or cancer patients). Don't blame NPHET or restrictions, the problem is and continues to be a dangerous virus.

I was answering a post that claimed no cancer diagnosis was being delayed .
I made no judgment as to why but only to inform that it absolutely is being delayed
I blamed no one in my post

SusieBlue

skimpydoo wrote: »

I was in hospital for a week earlier this year and had no problem getting every test that I needed to get.

Well yes, because you were already in hospital. Seeing as you were admitted it’s safe to assume you were already showing symptoms of something, hence you were offered further tests.

The whole point of early screening is to detect the symptomless cases before they progress to something more threatening. These people aren’t going to present to a hospital until a time at which there are physical signs of an illness, which might be too late.
By that time they could have cancer or it could be terminal.

That’s the whole point of screening and that’s why it’s so disgraceful that it was cancelled for almost half a year.

iamwhoiam

skimpydoo wrote: »

I was in hospital for a week earlier this year and had no problem getting every test that I needed to get.

Having test done while admitted is not comparable to a screening programme

weldoninhio

ShineOn7 wrote: »

If adults can't sacrifice one Christmas then they're selfish kids

The problem isn't Christmas day itself. The problem is we're still in November and people are acting the bollix

Imagine what we're going to be like by December 23rd!

By mid to late January we'll be above a thousand cases a day easily. Ireland's CFR, last I saw, was at 4%. So for every of those thousand cases a day we can expect 40 deaths

All for one lousy Christmas?


People need to grow the fcuk up tbh

The sky was falling when beaches were packed.

The sky was falling when the May/June bank holidays had parks and beaches packed.

The sky was falling when there were queues for Beschoffs.

The sky was falling after every anti-mask demo.

The sky was falling after Dame Lane.

The sky was falling after Dundrum street drinking.

Somehow the sky wasn’t falling for BLM.

Eventually the Chicken Littles will realise the sky is not falling.

skimpydoo

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Having test done while admitted is not comparable to a screening programme

Part of it was screening to see if my cancer has come back.

Goldengirl

weldoninhio wrote: »

The sky was falling when beaches were packed.

The sky was falling when the May/June bank holidays had parks and beaches packed.

The sky was falling when there were queues for Beschoffs.

The sky was falling after every anti-mask demo.

The sky was falling after Dame Lane.

The sky was falling after Dundrum street drinking.

Somehow the sky wasn’t falling for BLM.

Eventually the Chicken Littles will realise the sky is not falling.

But Chicken Little ran around and nothing happened .
However all those instances you are quoting there , (well done there for recalling them ) restrictions were imposed afterwards which prevented the worst from happening .

Parabellum9

Goldengirl wrote: »

But Chicken Little ran around and nothing happened .
However all those instances you are quoting there , (well done there for recalling them ) restrictions were imposed afterwards which prevented the worst from happening .

Nobody said boo about BLM when it happened and all those gob****es were kneeling in the streets, but everybody lost their mind over a few people having pints. Hypocrisy.

weldoninhio

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

We’re not asked to do so, just for this currently. If we have another pandemic down the line and are asked to do likewise then I will too.

You can’t have it every way. Do what you want, nobody can stop you, but there’s little use in getting annoyed when someone points out that you’re part of the problem. Using “peoples last christmas” as a thin veil to justify suiting yourself completely is a good one though. You’re all heart.

Why do you need to be asked not to infect and kill someone??

VonLuck

weldoninhio wrote: »

The sky was falling when beaches were packed.

The sky was falling when the May/June bank holidays had parks and beaches packed.

The sky was falling when there were queues for Beschoffs.

The sky was falling after every anti-mask demo.

The sky was falling after Dame Lane.

The sky was falling after Dundrum street drinking.

Somehow the sky wasn’t falling for BLM.

Eventually the Chicken Littles will realise the sky is not falling.

It's almost as though the public outrage got people to reconsider these events and then they didn't happen again. Hmm.

Also you know you're clutching at an argument when you start resorting to name calling.

Goldengirl

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Having test done while admitted is not comparable to a screening programme

Screening for Breast Cancer is very delayed ie screening the healthy . No argument there .
Symptomatic patients have been having mammograms and surgeries all through this .
Cervical screening was delayed until June . The program have reported that while they have been putting extra appointments in place to try to make up , 90 % of those given appointments, have not attended for their appointments .
90% !
Why if people are so worried about their health are they not attending for appointments ,or A &E also ?
Because people are afraid of contracting Covid .

iamwhoiam

skimpydoo wrote: »

Part of it was screening to see if my cancer has come back.

I don’t think you understand what a screening programme is ?
A screening programme is to screen those who are in a certain age group to detect early cancer .
Having tests to ensure your cancer has not returned is not part of a screening programme it is part of a protocol for anyone with a previous diagnosis

That was not stopped , the screening programmes were
Cervical Check and Breast Check and colonoscopy for siblings of a bowel cancer patient were

Goldengirl

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Nobody said boo about BLM when it happened and all those gob****es were kneeling in the streets, but everybody lost their mind over a few people having pints. Hypocrisy.

Why are you singling that one event out ?

I remember a lot of people upset over that march along with the other marches .

Goldengirl

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I don’t think you understand what a screening programme is ?
A screening programme is to screen those who are in a certain age group to detect early cancer .
Having tests to ensure your cancer has not returned is not part of a screening programme it is part of a protocol for anyone with a previous diagnosis

That was not stopped , the screening programmes were
Cervical Check and Breast Check and colonoscopy for siblings of a bowel cancer patient were

Bowel screening back since June also.

Parabellum9

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why are you singling that one event out ?

I remember a lot of people upset over that march along with the other marches .

As I remember our glorious leaders had nothing negative to say about it, in fact there was praise and sound bites supporting it from all of them. Not one had the neck to call it for what it was. It’s easier to pick on the people having a few pints than step on the landmine that was. As I said hypocrisy and very hard to take any subsequent tutting seriously.

iamwhoiam

Goldengirl wrote: »

Bowel screening back since June also.

Look my original post was to a poster who said that no cancer diagnosis was ever delayed . It was and that was all i said no more no less

SusieBlue

Actually screening was paused until July (my clinic reopened towards the end of that month afaik) and it was the end of September before I was seen to. I know someone else still waiting since March, their appointment is next week thank goodness.
They are running at a significantly reduced capacity due to social distancing etc so way less appointments available than before.

Feisar

No, I’m meeting people I greatly respect so as per precedent set by elected officials I am exempt.

skimpydoo

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I don’t think you understand what a screening programme is ?
A screening programme is to screen those who are in a certain age group to detect early cancer .
Having tests to ensure your cancer has not returned is not part of a screening programme it is part of a protocol for anyone with a previous diagnosis

That was not stopped , the screening programmes were
Cervical Check and Breast Check and colonoscopy for siblings of a bowel cancer patient were

I was also screened for prostate cancer, something that I would have had to get done over the next few years.

weldoninhio

skimpydoo wrote: »

My sister was in Grafton St earlier this afternoon and she said it was jammers. Lots of people not wearing masks and lots of families out too. She also noticed people sitting and standing eating ice creams and McDonalds.

To those of you advocating that we get back to normal, do you think what my sister saw is ok?

People living their lives? Not wearing masks outdoors? The humanity!! They should all be at home under their beds waiting for Lord Tony to tell them when it’s safe.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

The sky was falling when beaches were packed.

The sky was falling when the May/June bank holidays had parks and beaches packed.

The sky was falling when there were queues for Beschoffs.

The sky was falling after every anti-mask demo.

The sky was falling after Dame Lane.

The sky was falling after Dundrum street drinking.

Somehow the sky wasn’t falling for BLM.

Eventually the Chicken Littles will realise the sky is not falling.

there was plenty of condemnation for the timing of the blm protests so you are of course incorrect.
restrictions were imposed after the other events also so you are doubly incorrect.
the blm protests aren't any sort of trump card anyway like some seem to think and timing asside which was bad timing, their cause is 100% legitimate.

weldoninhio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

@susieblue, you went off on a complete rant at me, using words like "terrified of the virus" and wanting lockdowns to continue for my benefit, and basically accusing me of only acting in my own best interests, and frankly, I don't appreciate it.

That is NOT what I am about, has never been what I am about, and is why I stopped bothering with threads like this.

Finally,



The reasons why we did not have a higher infection and death rate and were not overwhelmed, is because of the restrictions that were put in place.

Not because by some miracle, Irish people were more resistant to Covid.

Having the youngest demographics in Europe is not some miracle and is a natural barrier to a virus that kills old people.

Goldengirl

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Look my original post was to a poster who said that no cancer diagnosis was ever delayed . It was and that was all i said no more no less

Cancer screening of healthy is what I am talking about also .
People are afraid to attend for screening even when incidence if Covid is low ,and repeating something we all know , especially those in health service .
Yes all delayed , along with so much else , but while somebody symptomatic was deemed essential to be treated or those like the poster with a previous diagnosis, screening of healthy individuals was not top of the list when the first wave and lockdown was on .
But those services have resumed and are continuing now .
The impact of those lost to screening this year will take some time to be known.
Some will have very little effect .
A few months lost in cancers that grow very slowly will have a negligible result .
It is those that are unaware of a larger tumour and afraid/ unable to attend their GP or A&E department that will be impacted the most .
These would have been treated all through the pandemic but would have not come forward .
What people need to know is that every year there are patients that are diagnosed with large tumours that they have somehow managed to ignore or not be aware of , and while there might be more this year ,it hopefully will not be the large number that some seem to expect .

end of the road

Parabellum9 wrote: »

As I remember our glorious leaders had nothing negative to say about it, in fact there was praise and sound bites supporting it from all of them. Not one had the neck to call it for what it was. It’s easier to pick on the people having a few pints than step on the landmine that was. As I said hypocrisy and very hard to take any subsequent tutting seriously.

they supported what the blm movement are campaigning for and rightly so, not the march going ahead.
they condemned the timing of the march due to the current situation, the march itself in normal times would be 100% justified.

Goldengirl

weldoninhio wrote: »

People living their lives? Not wearing masks outdoors? The humanity!! They should all be at home under their beds waiting for Lord Tony to tell them when it’s safe.

Why are you resurrecting a post discussed at length(ad nauseum) yesterday ?

Have you nothing else to say to a poster who has clear and obvious reasons to be fearful of crowds or members of their family getting infected ?

The fact that you and others keep coming back to this after he has explained again and again shows lack of some humanity not just sensitivity in your approach to a discussion.

It is a bit cruel, imo.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

Having the youngest demographics in Europe is not some miracle and is a natural barrier to a virus that kills old people.

the virus doesn't just kill old people unfortunately, old people and people with underlying conditions are just at a lot more risk and more likely to die from it.


which is of course quite different.

weldoninhio

VonLuck wrote: »

It's almost as though the public outrage got people to reconsider these events and then they didn't happen again. Hmm.

Also you know you're clutching at an argument when you start resorting to name calling.

“And then they didn’t happen again” - hahahahahahaha do you think they all happened on the same evening??

weldoninhio

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why are you resurrecting a post discussed at length(ad nauseum) yesterday ?

Have you nothing else to say to a poster who has clear and obvious reasons to be fearful of crowds or members of their family getting infected ?

The fact that you and others keep coming back to this after he has explained again and again shows lack of some humanity not just sensitivity in your approach to a discussion.

It is a bit cruel, imo.

I reply as I read the thread. Not all of us spend 24/7 in here. Replying to something from yesterday is hardly “resurrecting” it. You’d swear it was from months ago.

skimpydoo

weldoninhio wrote: »

People living their lives? Not wearing masks outdoors? The humanity!! They should all be at home under their beds waiting for Lord Tony to tell them when it’s safe.

So even though we were told to wear masks outdoors, people didn't. Do you call that living their lives? Is wearing a mask a major inconvenience?