Are you adhering to the Households rule?

AdamD

VonLuck wrote: »

That's all well and good in theory, but in practice it's a different thing. It's very difficult enforcing a wet pub to behave like a gastropub or restaurant. They're typically not designed solely around seating and tables whereas it's inherent in gastropubs and restaurants.

If you see a gastropub is open, you're pretty confident it's set up with tables and chairs. If you see a pub open, who knows what's going on inside.

I actually give up. All of the non-gastro pubs have had to change their set up to be precisely like this, even the ones with 'chipper set ups'. You have to book a table and its maximum of 6.

Parabellum9

VonLuck wrote: »

That's all well and good in theory, but in practice it's a different thing. It's very difficult enforcing a wet pub to behave like a gastropub or restaurant. They're typically not designed solely around seating and tables whereas it's inherent in gastropubs and restaurants.

If you see a gastropub is open, you're pretty confident it's set up with tables and chairs. If you see a pub open, who knows what's going on inside.

You act as if wet pubs are a free for all - they haven’t even had the chance to prove they can manage things the same as these magic gastropubs where a 9e meal wards off covid. Table bookings, time limits and social distance will all work just as well in wet pubs as they do in the establishments serving food.

VonLuck

AdamD wrote: »

I actually give up. All of the non-gastro pubs have had to change their set up to be precisely like this, even the ones with 'chipper set ups'. You have to book a table and its maximum of 6.

Parabellum9 wrote: »

You act as if wet pubs are a free for all - they haven’t even had the chance to prove they can manage things the same as these magic gastropubs where a 9e meal wards off covid. Table bookings, time limits and social distance will all work just as well in wet pubs as they do in the establishments serving food.

Pubs are where you go to meet people and mingle. That's their main purpose (besides serving alcohol). You inherently want to go and chat to people in that setting. Someone you recognise at another table? You'll go over, sit down and have a chin wag. Your local bartender is very unlikely to tell you to go back to your own table, especially if it's a small rural pub.

I'm tired of this frankly stupid statement about €9 meals warding off Covid. You know right well why that rule was brought in - to define a substantial meal so that you could differentiate a gastropub / restaurant and just some pub serving peanuts.

By your logic maybe we should give concerts a chance as well? I mean they never had an opportunity either :rolleyes:

Parabellum9

VonLuck wrote: »

Pubs are where you go to meet people and mingle. That's their main purpose (besides serving alcohol). You inherently want to go and chat to people in that setting. Someone you recognise at another table? You'll go over, sit down and have a chin wag. Your local bartender is very unlikely to tell you to go back to your own table, especially if it's a small rural pub.

I'm tired of this frankly stupid statement about €9 meals warding off Covid. You know right well why that rule was brought in - to define a substantial meal so that you could differentiate a gastropub / restaurant and just some pub serving peanuts.

By your logic maybe we should give concerts a chance as well? I mean they never had an opportunity either :rolleyes:

What a flimsy retort. Your 9e meal differentiates you skulling 6 pints from a pub that doesn’t serve food does it? You clearly consider “wet pub” publicans to be gob****es that will just allow Timmy from down the road to switch tables and have a sing song with Mikey just cos they both had a few drinks. Like none of those business would follow regulations to a tee just to have some trade at the moment, no no it would just be a free for all....As for concerts, if you can’t see how ridiculous that comparison is yourself there’s no point in me illustrating it for you - why allow a country mass when 1 million plus can show up to Mecca eh?

VonLuck

Parabellum9 wrote: »

What a flimsy retort. Your 9e meal differentiates you skulling 6 pints from a pub that doesn’t serve food does it? You clearly consider “wet pub” publicans to be gob****es that will just allow Timmy from down the road to switch tables and have a sing song with Mikey just cos they both had a few drinks. Like none of those business would follow regulations to a tee just to have some trade at the moment, no no it would just be a free for all....As for concerts, if you can’t see how ridiculous that comparison is yourself there’s no point in me illustrating it for you - why allow a country mass when 1 million plus can show up to Mecca eh?

Some of them will follow the rules, sure. But there'll certainly be pubs that won't. And it's not solely the publicans to blame. People should be responsible for their own actions, but I've seen plenty of videos already during the period when wet pubs were open showing complete disregard for the regulations. I'm not saying it was widespread, but it was definitely happening. It's hard to control a group of drunken people, especially when your small rural pub is relying on their business to keep them afloat.

My point with the concerts that is with the best will in the world and strict enforcement, you're still going to get people breaking the rules. It just takes a few people for it all to go tits up. It's an environment that's hard to control, just like pubs, albeit on a much larger scale.

Parabellum9

VonLuck wrote: »

Some of them will follow the rules, sure. But there'll certainly be pubs that won't. And it's not solely the publicans to blame. People should be responsible for their own actions, but I've seen plenty of videos already during the period when wet pubs were open showing complete disregard for the regulations. I'm not saying it was widespread, but it was definitely happening. It's hard to control a group of drunken people, especially when your small rural pub is relying on their business to keep them afloat.

My point with the concerts that is with the best will in the world and strict enforcement, you're still going to get people breaking the rules. It just takes a few people for it all to go tits up. It's an environment that's hard to control, just like pubs, albeit on a much larger scale.

It’s nothing but whataboutery, absolute nonsense and excuse after excuse peddled to keep them closed. Treating the publicans and the people who go to them like ****ing children who can’t be trusted, infuriating condescending bollixology. You do still remember what life was like pre covid yeah?

VonLuck

Parabellum9 wrote: »

It’s nothing but whataboutery, absolute nonsense and excuse after excuse peddled to keep them closed. Treating the publicans and the people who go to them like ****ing children who can’t be trusted, infuriating condescending bollixology. You do still remember what life was like pre covid yeah?

Best if I stop responding. It's only a discussion forum. Don't let it get to you.

Necro

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Zebra3

If I order a magic 9€ meal, but don't eat it, will I be safe?

Car99

Lots of pubs are open behind closed doors.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

I actually give up. All of the non-gastro pubs have had to change their set up to be precisely like this, even the ones with 'chipper set ups'. You have to book a table and its maximum of 6.

The chipper set ups can't open now.

end of the road

Zebra3 wrote: »

If I order a magic 9€ meal, but don't eat it, will I be safe?

obviously yes.
especially given you know why the food requirement is actually there in the first place.

Johnboy1951

Zebra3 wrote: »

If I order a magic 9€ meal, but don't eat it, will I be safe?

Dunno but you definitely will not get food poisoning from the meal!

Be careful out there!

ShineOn7

"shure it'll be grand"



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jrosen

It’s ignorance. People are also full of ****. I’ve seen far too many talk the talk.

They’ve left the graves thing on the list so travel is free for all to do what they like, and they’ve left the compassionate grounds left on the list for visits so that’s another free for all for everyone to do what they like.

They’ll never learn to close up these loopholes and that people can’t be trusted.

Johnboy1951

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They’ve left the graves thing on the list so travel is free for all to do what they like, and they’ve left the compassionate grounds left on the list for visits so that’s another free for all for everyone to do what they like.

They’ll never learn to close up these loopholes and that people can’t be trusted.

Yeah, stop those visits and let those in need die in their homes.
That should solve the problem!

Johnboy1951

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yeah, stop those visits and let those in need die in their homes.
That should solve the problem!

If people need to go then they need to go but there should be far more proof required around it. As it stands I could get stopped going anywhere and rattle off that line.

freshpopcorn

From what I can see shops can open for click and collect again. So, you’ll see retail parks, etc full again.

dwainec

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From what I can see shops can open for click and collect again. So, you’ll see retail parks, etc full again.

If this is true they may as well just open fully. What a joke of a "lock down"

freshpopcorn

dwainec wrote: »

If this is true they may as well just open fully. What a joke of a "lock down"

That’s just from I can see. I’d like to be told I’m wrong.

GazzaL

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From what I can see shops can open for click and collect again. So, you’ll see retail parks, etc full again.

It's a good thing that retail has been proven without any doubt to be safe!

Paddygreen

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They’ve left the graves thing on the list so travel is free for all to do what they like, and they’ve left the compassionate grounds left on the list for visits so that’s another free for all for everyone to do what they like.

They’ll never learn to close up these loopholes and that people can’t be trusted.

It’s high time we locked the graveyards Reg.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

It’s high time we locked the graveyards Reg.

Don’t be flippant, it achieves nothing. Outside grabbing you those few thanks you need anyway.

For now they should fall under the 5km rule at the very least and not be an open excuse for any amount of travel. People can’t visit their relations that are alive currently so I don’t see why this is being left as a loophole just to visit dead ones.



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Paddygreen

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Don’t be flippant, it achieves nothing. Maybe grab you those few thanks you need.

For now they should fall under the 5km rule at the very least and not be an open excuse for any amount of travel. People can’t visit their relations that are alive currently so I don’t see why this is being left as a loophole just to visit dead ones.

Of course Reg. I agree with you. Why allow people out at all I say. They should have an allocated time window to shop once a week and that’s it. We are not holding firm enough Reg, time to take the velvet glove off the iron fist and squeeze. When I see people out and about it makes me sick. Wandering around supermarkets with no urgency and no essentials. We are in it together Reg and the time has come for concerned citizens like you and me to step up to the plate and admonish those who don’t do as the experts say and remind them how scary DEATH is. Socialist distant Internment camps with a focus on re-education Reg, that’s the way to go.

iamwhoiam

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Don’t be flippant, it achieves nothing. Outside grabbing you those few thanks you need anyway.

For now they should fall under the 5km rule at the very least and not be an open excuse for any amount of travel. People can’t visit their relations that are alive currently so I don’t see why this is being left as a loophole just to visit dead ones.



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I agree with you .I have a nephew in a different county who could technically speaking visit his grandmothers grave in this county but not his parents who live 15 minutes away from the graveyard

zerosugarbuzz

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They’ve left the graves thing on the list so travel is free for all to do what they like, and they’ve left the compassionate grounds left on the list for visits so that’s another free for all for everyone to do what they like.

They’ll never learn to close up these loopholes and that people can’t be trusted.

Bit of a sweeping statement. You may either be lacking compassion or people to visit on compassionate grounds but not all of us are so unlucky. I would be making visits on these grounds whether the loopholes as you call them are there or not. Also if someone wants to visit a grave, there is Absolutely no chance of them contracting the virus from their already dead loved one.

Paddygreen

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I agree with you .I have a nephew in a different county who could technically speaking visit his grandmothers grave in this county but not his parents who live 15 minutes away from the graveyard

It’s a disgrace. It’s time for checkpoints at graveyards. I know the Gardaí are busy so I propose that a volunteer Organisation (expenses covered) of community monitors to police things like graveyards so that the chancers can be weeded out and a stop put to their gallop. Concerned citizens like myself and Reg would no doubt fill the ranks.I want to see tears in their eyes when they come to the graveyards. No tears, no admission. And black shoes. Regulars only.

iamwhoiam

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Bit of a sweeping statement. You may either be lacking compassion or people to visit on compassionate grounds but not all of us are so unlucky. I would be making visits on these grounds whether the loopholes as you call them are there or not. Also if someone wants to visit a grave, there is Absolutely no chance of them contracting the virus from their already dead loved one.

There is zero chance i could get covid on an empty beach but its outside the 5kms so I cant go .

zerosugarbuzz

Paddygreen wrote: »

It’s a disgrace. It’s time for checkpoints at graveyards. I know the Gardaí are busy so I propose that a volunteer Organisation (expenses covered) of community monitors to police things like graveyards so that the chancers can be weeded out and a stop put to their gallop. Concerned citizens like myself and Reg would no doubt fill the ranks.I want to see tears in their eyes when they come to the graveyards. No tears, no admission. And black shoes. Regulars only.

Nice of you to volunteer Paddy. If the government are prepared to set up a special task force I am certainly prepared to be on the board providing the remuneration is sufficient.