IRA attacks on civilians allegations of false flag terrorism

Hqrry113

Due to recent claims in the media I found this thread best fitted for current affairs.

The troubles regarded as one of the most intense psychological wars in modern times was a battle between the IRA/SF and British forces, a few examples here of alleged false flag terrorism in northern Ireland not including loyalist/MI5 operations like the Dublin Monaghan bombings.


The Enniskillen bombing-

Six days after the bombing, an anonymous, typed letter was sent to then tánaiste and minister for foreign affairs, Brian Lenihan. It has now been released as part of the 1988 State papers.

The letter was sent by a man who claimed that he was so scared that he drove across the Border to post it.

He claimed that he was an MI5 agent operating in Northern Ireland for 18 months and that he worked in the special section which was set up to infiltrate paramilitary organisations.

He went on to state that his section of MI5 knew in advance of plans to bomb the Remembrance Day parade in Enniskillen.

British intelligence knew when and where the IRA gang were going to plant the bomb, its size and technical make-up, he claimed.

“Our section decided to change the timing device and let the explosion take place so that the IRA would score an own goal and create a massive backlash against itself,” he wrote.

Kingsmill Massacre-

Alan Black, the only survivor of Kingsmill, believes that IRA members involved in the massacre were double agents working for the British state. He believes there was a "cover up" and that British security forces knew the massacre was going to happen but allowed it to] It has been suggested that the gunman with the English accent could have been British Intelligence officer Robert Nairac.

John Weir, a former RUC officer and member of the "Glenanne gang", claims he discovered that British Intelligence, through Nairac, was "playing republican and loyalist paramilitaries off against each other to draw the IRA away from it's war against the state and into a purely sectarian conflict"

This attack was at the same time the Gleneanne gang were carrying out constant assassinations against Catholic civilians, nearly all of the leaders of this group are now self confessed MI5 agents who claim to have been working on behalf of the state along with countless documentaries and books detailing how this group were being ccontrolled by the state.

Of this group roughly 25 out of these were members of the British Army/RUC so even if the countless reports made over the years are false at the very least in what as the time the most militarized/monitored zone in the whole world the British would have known exactly what was going on.

Shankill bombing-

In 2016, allegations were made that the IRA commander who planned the bombing was a police informer for the RUC's Special Branch as well as an MI5 agent and that he told his handlers of the planned attack. This information allegedly came from classified documents stolen by the IRA from Castlereagh RUC base in 2002. IRA members believe the informer was given the go-ahead by his handlers to rig the bomb so that it exploded prematurely which would explain why the bomb went off prematurely before the IRA member carrying the bomb could clear the shop killing both himself and everyone else inside, it would also explain why the UDA leaders (the intended targets of the attack) who also happened to be MI5 agents including Johnny Adair had coincidentally cancelled their meeting.


They believe the goal was to cause mass civilian casualties, weakening those in the IRA who opposed a ceasefire and who wanted to continue the armed campaign. Relatives of the victims asked the Police Ombudsman to investigate whether police knew about the attack before it happened.

The Military Reaction Force-

The MRF was a covert intelligence-gathering and counter-insurgency unit of the British Army active in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. A former member described it as a "legalised death squad". The unit was formed during the summer of 1971 and operated until late 1972 or early 1973. MRF teams operated in plain clothes and civilian vehicles, equipped with pistols and submachine guns. They were tasked with tracking down and arresting, or killing, members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA).

They were trained to use weapons favored by the IRA which would arouse suspicion in anyone, they are also believed to be behind numerous attacks on Catholics civilians and were believed to have been attempting to prevent the IRA from being viewed as the revolutionaries they were starting to be viewed like at the time and bring the conflict into a purely sectarian conflict.

Martin Dillon described the MRF's purpose as being "to draw the Provisional IRA into a shooting war with loyalists in order to distract the IRA from its objective of attacking the Army".

These are just a few examples of alleged IRA false flag terrorism, unlike loyalist flag terrorism the evidence for these attacks is not so overwhelming (apart from the part about the MRF which is all factual) that you would have to be unbelievably biased to not believe it.

Kermit.de.frog

Does anyone really believe that Britain has ever cared enough about the North to expend the type of effort the OP suggests by it's intelligence services?

Me neither.

mynamejeff

welcome back op :-)

Hqrry113

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Does anyone really believe that Britain has ever cared enough about the North to expend the type of effort the OP suggests by it's intelligence services?

Me neither.

Seeing as though the north of Ireland was at some periods the most militarized zone on the planet and also for nearly the entirety of the troubles was under more surveillance than any other part of the entire world proves your statement wrong.

Kermit.de.frog

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Seeing as though the north of Ireland was at some periods the most militarized zone on the planet and also for nearly the entirety of the troubles was under more surveillance than any other part of the entire world proves your statement wrong.

The truth you can't handle is that Britain has never cared for or about the North.

The problem is unionists there, not the British govt or state, that's always been the case.

Britain has long wanted out but they couldn't easily do that with 100's of thousands of unionists.

Sure, look today, they are more than willing to throw a trade border down the Irish Sea without blinking an eyelid. Why? Because they don't care.

blanch152

It wasn't a war.

blanch152

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The truth you can't handle is that Britain has never cared for or about the North.

The problem is unionists there, not the British govt or state, that's always been the case.

Britain has long wanted out but they couldn't easily do that with 100's of thousands of unionists.

Sure, look today, they are more than willing to throw a trade border down the Irish Sea without blinking an eyelid. Why? Because they don't care.

If you mean don't care as in indifference, then I agree. At the same time, they won't leave behind a majority of people who want to stay in the UK.

Hqrry113

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The truth you can't handle is that Britain has never cared for or about the North.

The problem is unionists there, not the British govt or state, that's always been the case.

Britain has long wanted out but they couldn't easily do that with 100's of thousands of unionists.

Sure, look today, they are more than willing to throw a trade border down the Irish Sea without blinking an eyelid. Why? Because they don't care.

You're right by saying "they don't care" as in they don't give a sh** about the people living there but they certainly did care about the IRA since most of their army and intelligence resources were devoted to try and stop them.

Hqrry113

blanch152 wrote: »

It wasn't a war.

It was a guerilla war, if you don't know what that is look it up.

Necro

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