Wales v Republic of Ireland - UEFA Nations League - Match Thread - 5pm 15/11/20 - Sky

TheCitizen

Don’t deserve to be behind but when in the ascendancy just not clinical enough creating chances.

ballsymchugh

need to come up with something better than a duffy header from a dead ball. anything, just anything different please.

Nerdlingr

Francie Barrett wrote: »

How is 5ft 8 David Brooks beating our two central defenders like that.

Angles and momentum.

~Rebel~

TheCitizen wrote: »

Don’t deserve to be behind but when in the ascendancy just not clinical enough creating chances.

This describes just about every competitive game this year :-/

Father Hernandez

Whatever about injuries, covid, quality of players, whether Kenny is the right man for the job, this is depressing as fúck.

Hate to say it but feels like a chore these days to watch Ireland.

A Dub in Glasgo

A shot on target.. wow

Andrew00

Go for goal Brady ffs

Father Hernandez

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Whatever about injuries, covid, quality of players, whether Kenny is the right man for the job, this is depressing as fúck.

Hate to say it but feels like a chore these days to watch Ireland.

What I'd give to see us losing a game 4-3 to a 90th minute goal.

Just anything bar this repetitive 0-2 goals, same thing every game and usually the same result.

Andrew00

Hendrick clown

ShamoBuc

Fine save!

secman

MattS1 wrote: »

Kenny surely has to go soon...have we won a game under him yet?

And get who exactly in ? We don't have the players, FAI are insovent , no sugar daddy around. No fans ..no money. !!!

A Dub in Glasgo

Great save

showpony1

Stephen will be back managing in LOI before the end of the next campaign.

Francie Barrett

Collins having more impact in the few minutes he's been on than Idah had all match.

Mr.Nice Guy

Hendrick nearly cost us a goal there. Super save by Randolph. So sick of seeing Hendrick in the team. He is always likely to cost the team a goal with a lapse in concentration.

Nerdlingr

Brilliant save

ebbsy

Next campaign is a write off .

Are we not better to be relegated to C though ?

briany

MattS1 wrote: »

Kenny surely has to go soon...have we won a game under him yet?

I'd give him at least one full campaign. For years, now, people have been asking for Ireland to play a more modern game instead of the defensive, rugged and cautious approach taken under Messrs Trapattoni and O'Neill. Well, Ireland are now attempting to play that. We should wait and see if it bears any fruit or else prove that there was method to the previous two managers' madness.

I'd have to dig back through a lot of old threads to prove this, but I do seem to remember a few posters during the Trap/Mon days saying that they'd prefer to see Ireland actually try to play football, with the result being a secondary concern. Well, after a campaign of trying to play football, and being summarily dumped out of the competition, this attitude will probably be rarer than a hen's tooth. It is the result which matters most, and getting the best possible ones is the only validation of the style you choose to employ in getting it.

In fairness, the argument to actually try and play a bit of football was more valid during the Trap days when Ireland still had at least a couple of attacking players of note. These days, it's truly a team of journeymen, and a primacy on defensive organisation is probably never more needed.

Francie Barrett

Getting overrun now.

ballsymchugh

hendrick you moron.

Mr.Nice Guy

Hendrick again. Total liability. We'll get nowhere with him as the heartbeat of the team.

Nerdlingr

Hendrick actually playing kick sh*t football

nullzero

We must be one of the worst European international sides at this stage. Not much better than the likes of San Marino and the Faroe Islands.

Father Hernandez

ebbsy wrote: »

Next campaign is a write off .

Are we not better to be relegated to C though ?

Potentially 'easier' route to the next Euros on paper.

Won't help with FIFA rankings/coefficients to try qualify (albeit a small chance) for the World Cup.

kona

How many times have we given the ball away from defense into midfield?

nullzero

briany wrote: »

I'd give him at least one full campaign. For years, now, people have been asking for Ireland to play a more modern game instead of the defensive, rugged and cautious approach taken under Messrs Trapattoni and O'Neill. Well, Ireland are now attempting to play that. We should wait and see if it bears any fruit or else prove that there was method to the previous two managers' madness.

I'd have to dig back through a lot of old threads to prove this, but I do seem to remember a few posters during the Trap/Mon days saying that they'd prefer to see Ireland actually try to play football, with the result being a secondary concern. Well, after a campaign of trying to play football, and being summarily dumped out of the competition, this attitude will probably be rarer than a hen's tooth. It is the result which matters most, and getting the best possible ones is the only validation of the style you choose to employ in getting it.

In fairness, the argument to actually try and play a bit of football was more valid during the Trap days when Ireland still had at least a couple of attacking players of note. These days, it's truly a team of journeymen, and a primacy on defensive organisation is probably never more needed.

The problem is that all those things need to be implemented in the game years before a player gets into the international side. We'll be looking at this type of stuff for a long time sadly. I can't be the only person here who is dreading international breaks these days?

Nerdlingr

Gotta play 352 from now on no?
Gives us two up top, could play Doherty and McClean wing back, puts three in mid field and three at the back. Would it not go some way to solving some of our issues?

Oat23

Always amazes me how many people in these threads didn't see this period of Irish football coming. The writing has been on the wall and people have been saying it here for years.

The NT has been going downhill for over a decade. Our best players are all retiring and they aren't being replaced by younger players just as talented because of years of neglect by the FAI.

We have two choices. We can go with a young, talented coach who understands modern football, like Kenny, develop an attractive style of play and mould young players coming through to play that style.

Or we can line up another dinosaur like Mick or MON to play stone age football and rob some draws/wins playing putrid football. Meanwhile the actual talent level of the players coming through will continue to drop as nothing is done to improve it/them because everything is grand when [Insert dinosaur coach here] manages to sneak us to the euros/world cup once every 10 years.

Sadly there are so many Irish fans happy with option B where are the 'also rans' as long as they get a p*ss up in a foreign land every now and again.

We can do far more at international level if people just remain patient and we invest in youth/grassroots football. It's going to take a while but it will be worth it.

TheCitizen

Byrne with some nice touches since he came on. Curious why Kenny hasn’t used him more often

roverjoyce

James Collins - MOTM - Time to go back to basics

SEPT 23 1989

nullzero wrote: »

We must be one of the worst European international sides at this stage. Not much better than the likes of San Marino and the Faroe Islands.

Descended into the wasteland level of international part time postmen

We used to joke about playing teams like that not anymore

Pathetic

yourdeadwright

Its the 90 th minute we are 1-0 down amd still playing one up front

TheCitizen

Oat23 wrote: »

Always amazes me how many people in these threads didn't see this period of Irish football coming. The writing has been on the wall and people have been saying it here for years.

The NT has been going downhill for over a decade. Our best players are all retiring and they aren't being replaced by younger players just as talented because of years of neglect by the FAI.

We have two choices. We can go with a young, talented coach who understands modern football, like Kenny, develop an attractive style of play and mould young players coming through to play that style.

Or we can line up another dinosaur like Mick or MON to play stone age football and rob some draws/wins playing putrid football. Meanwhile the actual talent level of the players coming through will continue to drop as nothing is done to improve it/them because everything is grand when [Insert dinosaur coach here] manages to sneak us to the euros/world cup once every 10 years.

Sadly there are so many Irish fans happy with option B where are the 'also rans' as long as they get a p*ss up in a foreign land every now and again.

We can do far more at international level if people just remain patient and we invest in youth/grassroots football. It's going to take a while but it will be worth it.

Yeah yeah we know all that. He still needs to get results against comparable opposition though

Hammar

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Gotta play 352 from now on no?
Gives us two up top, could play Doherty and McClean wing back, puts three in mid field and three at the back. Would it not go some way to solving some of our issues?

Plus when Coleman is back, Doherty can play left wing back, it makes a lot of sense. Felt sorry for Idah tonight also, completely outnumbered.

A Dub in Glasgo

Should have been 2 for Wales

Coillte_Bhoy

nullzero wrote: »

We must be one of the worst European international sides at this stage. Not much better than the likes of San Marino and the Faroe Islands.

Ya because either of those two would go toe to toe with Wales in Cardiff and create the most chances :rolleyes:

Fromvert

Passing the ball side to side and backwards is not 'playing good football'. It's pointless trying to play from the back when none of your defenders can actually pass a ball forward through the opposition to a midfielder.

There is no pattern of play on show that even hints at this way working out, defensively as poor as I can remember and the worst run likely ever without scoring.

I'm not sure I can think of one positive under Kenny so far (well there has been a few minutes of positive play but few and far between). Now he has had an awful deal with injuries and Covid infections but we've played some teams we should be beating, well at least creating chances against!

It's not working and he needs to change his approach now, to get results so he can keep his job.

Pudsy33

Oat23 wrote: »

Always amazes me how many people in these threads didn't see this period of Irish football coming. The writing has been on the wall and people have been saying it here for years.

The NT has been going downhill for over a decade. Our best players are all retiring and they aren't being replaced by younger players just as talented because of years of neglect by the FAI.

We have two choices. We can go with a young, talented coach who understands modern football, like Kenny, develop an attractive style of play and mould young players coming through to play that style.

Or we can line up another dinosaur like Mick or MON to play stone age football and rob some draws/wins playing putrid football. Meanwhile the actual talent level of the players coming through will continue to drop as nothing is done to improve it/them because everything is grand when [Insert dinosaur coach here] manages to sneak us to the euros/world cup once every 10 years.

Sadly there are so many Irish fans happy with option B where are the 'also rans' as long as they get a p*ss up in a foreign land every now and again.

We can do far more at international level if people just remain patient and we invest in youth/grassroots football. It's going to take a while but it will be worth it.

100% this, I totally understand the frustration with the ****e results but the standard of football, both in attack and defence, has been a massive stretch better than the MoN and Mccarthy eras. We haven't had our strongest team, or anything close to it really, available for any game. Let's give him one qualifying campaign before getting the knives out shall we?

ctrl-alt-delete

That is just pathetic.

glenjamin

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Gotta play 352 from now on no?
Gives us two up top, could play Doherty and McClean wing back, puts three in mid field and three at the back. Would it not go some way to solving some of our issues?

If he hasn't experimented with 352 by now then he won't ever. He either doesn't trust that system or isn't comfortable in playing it.

A Dub in Glasgo

Hendrick off

Mr.Nice Guy

Hendrick red card.

At least he won't be involved in the next game now.

D.Q

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Hendrick off

Thank ****

A Dub in Glasgo

D.Q wrote: »

Thank ****

Prefer him to be subbed though

nullzero

Oat23 wrote: »

Always amazes me how many people in these threads didn't see this period of Irish football coming. The writing has been on the wall and people have been saying it here for years.

The NT has been going downhill for over a decade. Our best players are all retiring and they aren't being replaced by younger players just as talented because of years of neglect by the FAI.

We have two choices. We can go with a young, talented coach who understands modern football, like Kenny, develop an attractive style of play and mould young players coming through to play that style.

Or we can line up another dinosaur like Mick or MON to play stone age football and rob some draws/wins playing putrid football. Meanwhile the actual talent level of the players coming through will continue to drop as nothing is done to improve it/them because everything is grand when [Insert dinosaur coach here] manages to sneak us to the euros/world cup once every 10 years.

Sadly there are so many Irish fans happy with option B where are the 'also rans' as long as they get a p*ss up in a foreign land every now and again.

We can do far more at international level if people just remain patient and we invest in youth/grassroots football. It's going to take a while but it will be worth it.

Soccer is so far behind GAA and Rugby in terms of how kids are brought into the game and encouraged to learn how to engage in the sports correctly. Add to that the abysmal state of how the game in governed in this country having a positive approach at international level isn't going to bear any fruit until the necessary changes are made where they should have been made for the last few decades.

We farmed our players out to England and reaped the benefits for generations, that gravy train has been derailed for years now and we've stood still.

yourdeadwright

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Gotta play 352 from now on no?
Gives us two up top, could play Doherty and McClean wing back, puts three in mid field and three at the back. Would it not go some way to solving some of our issues?

Its been the obvious formation from day one but Kennywould rather get the sack than be proved wrong with his beloved 4 3 3

roverjoyce

FFS Byrne

Mr.Nice Guy

We've had more red cards under Stephen Kenny than goals scored.

Father Hernandez

Hendrick red sums up another diabolical result.

One More Toy

Relegation here we come!