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Gender Identity in Modern Ireland (Mod warnings and Threadbanned Users in OP)
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[Deleted User] wrote: »If there are an infinite amount of genders they can't be innate.
Surely you can admit that?
The concept of gender though, is what I mean when I say it’s innate. If eskimohunts idea were to have any validity, then they would struggle to explain the case of David Reimer for example, and we only know of that particular case because the sexologist in question, John Money, was an utter fcuknugget of the highest order.
My point is that there are no limitations on the terms, descriptors, labels, whatever word you want to use, that anyone can use to describe, or refer to, or again whatever word you want to use, to define their gender, and what their gender identity means to them, according to their understanding and beliefs about gender. It’s why I just don’t get too het up about gender, because I know the meaning and understanding of the concept varies across times and cultures and values and so on. On its own, the term isn’t particularly useful in terms of what information it provides about an individual. It’s the context in which it is used which provides a means to understand what a person or people are referring to when they use terms like masculine, feminine, non-binary, etc.
Consider it being used in the same way as a person’s name is part of their identity. Naming things isn’t innate, but the drive to name things and quantify things, is innate. It doesn’t matter for example that someone has the unfortunate name of Fanny Chmelar (as Bradley Walsh remarked “I’d be straight down the Courthouse in the morning”
). In their own language, which isn’t English, it doesn’t carry the same meaning, or have the same connotations as it does to us in the English language.
I often receive emails too from people who’s names send me into convulsions of laughter (I’m told I have a one-track mind :pac:), but in their own language or society, their names are as benign as John or Jane Smith is to us who are more familiar with English language. Speaking of emails, it’s often the case too that I have no idea of the gender or sex of the person with whom I am communicating, and there’s no way to tell from just their name, so I’m well-used to using the third person form of personal pronouns to refer to them, they, they’re and their, and it’s really not the big deal or unreasonable demand that it’s made out to be by some people on social media. I don’t feel that I am being compelled in any way to use a person’s preferred pronouns, and in just the same way as I often have to copy and paste a person’s name (because its important when addressing someone directly that I at least make the effort to spell their name correctly), it’s the same thing when referring to people how they wish to be referred to by their preferred pronouns.
It’s just basic manners and an extension of recognition of other people’s dignity and value as a human being, a courtesy if you will, no different than I would expect the same in return. I don’t consider that an unreasonable request, but some people imagine they can refer to other people however they like and imagine there should be no consequences for their actions. It’s never been the case that anyone could be as rude, obnoxious and just downright arsehole behaviour and attitudes towards other people, without there being any consequences for their actions!0 -
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