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Gender Identity in Modern Ireland (Mod warnings and Threadbanned Users in OP)
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No of course that's not what happens - but what does happen is that specialists like Professor Donal O'Shea and who express doubts about sendng the child for treatment to the Tavistock clinic in London are pilloried on social media and are designated as transphobes for wanting to take a "watchful waiting" approach instead of adopting the "positive affirmation" one that the trans activists want for children.Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »... and yet didn't naswer the question I asked about whether yo uwere making a prediction or it was fact stated in the article you read. Care to do so now?
And this would be why:
... because of this is happening, then I agree - it needs to be stopped.
I just find it difficult to believe - and I'm totally open to correction on this - that it's a case of a parent just rocks up their family GP and says, "my child is transgender - give me pubety blockers!" and the doctor says, "absolutely!"
(And by correction, I mean actual imperical evidence that I can evaluate fo myself - not "I read it in a woman's magazine" unless you can show me where I can read it)
Doctors in row with HSE over claims children's transgender care is 'unsafe'
The Tavistock Clinic has itself had a worrying number of staff resignations, many related to their concerns about children being rushed into untested drug treatments - but again, they are called transphobes for expressing their doubts.
Why I resigned from the Tavistock
So when that's the response to specialists in the field, are GPs going to put their heads over the parapet?
Look how many years they all (with some notable exceptions) sat quiet over the effect the 8th amendment was having on the treatment they were able to give pregnant women in Ireland. It was only when it was clear that it was safe to speak up that most of them started admitting that they knew they weren't giving what would be normal treatment elsewhere, like hastening a miscarriage before infection set in.0 -
No of course that's not what happens - but what does happen is that specialists like Professor Donal O'Shea and who express doubts about sendng the child for treatment to the Tavistock clinic in London are pilloried on social media and are designated as transphobes for wanting to take a "watchful waiting" approach instead of adopting the "positive affirmation" one that the trans activists want for children.
Doctors in row with HSE over claims children's transgender care is 'unsafe'
The Tavistock Clinic has itself had a worrying number of staff resignations, many related to their concerns about children being rushed into untested drug treatments - but again, they are called transphobes for expressing their doubts.
Why I resigned from the Tavistock
So when that's the response to specialists in the field, are GPs going to put their heads over the parapet?
Look how many years they all (with some notable exceptions) sat quiet over the effect the 8th amendment was having on the treatment they were able to give pregnant women in Ireland. It was only when it was clear that it was safe to speak up that most of them started admitting that they knew they weren't giving what would be normal treatment elsewhere, like hastening a miscarriage before infection set in.
I don't believe its what happens either, which is why I was tying to get the poster I was replying to to claify.
Your issues here seem to be more based on social pressure on the medical profession than the medical profession making it too easy for childen to trasnition without the nessecay steps, but I'd essentially agree with you - the beaheavious is detemental to the child.
The concern here, is that you go to far in the opposite direction and assume that every trans-child is just going through a phase, but my asnwer wounld be the same: get the child to talk to specialised and NEUTRAL theraposts and then take it from there. If the child genuinely does - and without social or parentla pressure - want to trasnition, then set up a couse of action, as long as it does not involve irreversible changes, at least before they each the age of consent.
But the attitudes here that every child identifying as trans is being pressued by the paents, is just as pig-headed and ignoant as the attitude that every child idetifying as trans should automatically be allowed to trasnition at will.Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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I doubt there are many cases of parents pressuring doctors. There may be examples but from the article above and other articles I have read it's the acceptance of the affirmation model on all treatment and counselling can be seen as conversation therapy.
As you say and the article says each case is different.0 -
jam_mac_jam wrote: »I doubt there are many cases of parents pressuring doctors. There may be examples but from the article above and other articles I have read it's the acceptance of the affirmation model on all treatment and counselling can be seen as conversation therapy.
As you say and the article says each case is different.
I do very much see it as a form of “acceptable” (but really not) conversion therapy.
Transgender activism is not only dangerous to women but the gay community too.0 -
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »I don't believe its what happens either, which is why I was tying to get the poster I was replying to to claify.
Your issues here seem to be more based on social pressure on the medical profession than the medical profession making it too easy for childen to trasnition without the nessecay steps, but I'd essentially agree with you - the beaheavious is detemental to the child.
The concern here, is that you go to far in the opposite direction and assume that every trans-child is just going through a phase, but my asnwer wounld be the same: get the child to talk to specialised and NEUTRAL theraposts and then take it from there. If the child genuinely does - and without social or parentla pressure - want to trasnition, then set up a couse of action, as long as it does not involve irreversible changes, at least before they each the age of consent.
But the attitudes here that every child identifying as trans is being pressued by the paents, is just as pig-headed and ignoant as the attitude that every child idetifying as trans should automatically be allowed to trasnition at will.
At the moment it is almost impossible to have a neutral therapist - which is why we are having this discussion. You have to admit over the past few years it has become somewhat difficult for people in public positions to say out loud that a woman cannot physically become a man. Human beings cannot literally change sex. The idea which is often promoted by certain posters on these threads that a transwoman is indisputably a woman, full stop, has become a weighted political position. That it has effects can be demonstrably shown by the fact that recently a highly disturbed young male was imprisoned in the women's prison in Limerick. Just saying that before people say oh but it hardly...how many...it never happens...etc etc.
An example would also be Joe Biden's promise that on his first day in office he will reverse the Federal US legislation that prevents trans-identifying boys competing in girl's sports - those males have to do NOTHING to qualify as girls for the purpose. Girl's school and college sports will be hugely affected.
And you also mention that children should get treatment that has no irreversible effects. So far there is no treatment beyond counselling that would have that result. Puberty blockers have severe effects on the body - even dropping the IQ. They are a disaster. But counselling alone is not acceptable to many.
I saw this today. I know it is a weird thing, and so on. https://rubyshines.com/products/form-fitting-bikini-bottom#judgeme_product_reviews
But it IS a thing. There are 79 reviews. Some mothers somewhere are putting these on their little boys from 3 and 4 years old. It is not imaginary. If we saw people selling and buying shoes that would crush a child's feet because they had a hang up about them, we would ban it.
I think there is something terribly wrong with those mothers. I think that if a very small child hates their penis so much it is a sign of trauma and a tragedy. Imagine if they hated their eyes or their hands or their feet? But it is their little child penis they are disturbed by. Sincerely I say there needs to be counselling treatment for such small children to look for trauma, excessive co-dependence, munchausens in the mother, undue influence, violence or sexual abuse in the family and so on. If a child hated their ears or belly button we would know it was trauma or a cry for help.
I do think some children feel ill at ease in their gender. I think it is worth going through puberty as it has been proven this can help many. We all know those years are absolutely crazy - the ideas one can fixate upon at the best of times! If afterwards there is still unease then allow more serious medical intervention. But if you stop puberty that child will not really know what it is to have sexual pleasure or potency, and will have been badly arrested in their development including processes leading to sterility.
I am not in agreement with people who say oh it is disgusting or bizarre or whatever. But I do think the childhood thing has been approached in a catastrophic manner.0 -
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I don't know why you think that. I've never said anything of the sort.Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »I don't believe its what happens either, which is why I was tying to get the poster I was replying to to claify.
Your issues here seem to be more based on social pressure on the medical profession than the medical profession making it too easy for childen to trasnition without the nessecay steps, but I'd essentially agree with you - the beaheavious is detemental to the child.
The concern here, is that you go to far in the opposite direction and assume that every trans-child is just going through a phase, but my asnwer wounld be the same: get the child to talk to specialised and NEUTRAL theraposts and then take it from there. If the child genuinely does - and without social or parentla pressure - want to trasnition, then set up a couse of action, as long as it does not involve irreversible changes, at least before they each the age of consent.
But the attitudes here that every child identifying as trans is being pressued by the paents, is just as pig-headed and ignorant as the attitude that every child idetifying as trans should automatically be allowed to transition at will.
However it's a fact that the something like 4/5 of children presenting with gender dysphoria before or at the start of puberty go on to resolve their issues by the time they finsh puberty - with the noticeable exception of children who are put on the drug treatment pathway. And this is despite the fact that it's widely acknowledged by the specialists that there's no reliable way of identifying which children will still suffer gender dysphoria and which won't. So they're put on that pathway with no way of knowing whether their GD would have gone away without treatment, but knowing that once they're on it, 90 something per cent will go on to take sex hormones afterwards.
(I haven't linked to the studies just now, but they've been posted before and are available on the internet if you're interested - it's not stuff from a women's magazine.)0 -
jam_mac_jam wrote: »I doubt there are many cases of parents pressuring doctors. There may be examples but from the article above and other articles I have read it's the acceptance of the affirmation model on all treatment and counselling can be seen as conversation therapy.
As you say and the article says each case is different.
I'm not sure if that's a reply to me, but I don't think (in Ireland anyway) that it's mainly parents pressuring doctors. I think the parents are at a loss and are looking for help, and if they're told by therapists that the "best" thing is to send the child for this treatment that will "fix" their child's unhappiness, then that's what they're going to do.
But I've heard, through someone I know indirectly, of the parents of a teenage girl in Ireland being told by some doctors that they would be failing her not to send her to London, and only for they were lucky enough to consult other doctors (of their own initiative) and be told that they were not wrong to have the doubts they had, they would have done so - but now, five or six years on, their daughter has got through her issues and is a normal contented young woman. So in that case it was the parents who were being put under pressure.0 -
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I'm not sure if that's a reply to me, but I don't think (in Ireland anyway) that it's mainly parents pressuring doctors. I think the parents are at a loss and are looking for help, and if they're told by therapists that the "best" thing is to send the child for this treatment that will "fix" their child's unhappiness, then that's what they're going to do.
But I've heard, through someone I know indirectly, of the parents of a teenage girl in Ireland being told by some doctors that they would be failing her not to send her to London, and only for they were lucky enough to consult other doctors (of their own initiative) and be told that they were not wrong to have the doubts they had, they would have done so - but now, five or six years on, their daughter has got through her issues and is a normal contented young woman. So in that case it was the parents who were being put under pressure.
No sorry. It wasn't aimed at you just the general conversation. I realise you are not making that point. I am in agreement with the points you are making.0 -
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At the moment it is almost impossible to have a neutral therapist -
Do you mean in general? Because if so this is pure conjecture.
Fair enough if you want to talk about a specific clinic etc - but I don't think you can use such sweeping statements against the whole of psychotherapy or psychiatry etc
If that's not what you mean, then apologies.0 -
Originally Posted by Gruffalux View Post
At the moment it is almost impossible to have a neutral therapist -
That has always been the way.
All therapists have their own views ....even prejudices.0 -
ILoveYourVibes wrote: »That has always been the way.
All therapists have their own views ....even prejudices.
Yes and they work very hard at ensuring their own bias doesn't block effective treatment. So although a therapist may have a view on something, the therapy itself is neutral.0 -
ILoveYourVibes wrote: »That has always been the way.
All therapists have their own views ....even prejudices.
See when you someone says this another comes along and tells us its not true .
There seems to be a very one sided approach to trans give them what they want when they want of face consequences up to loosing and job and career due to external threats
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Do you mean in general? Because if so this is pure conjecture.
Fair enough if you want to talk about a specific clinic etc - but I don't think you can use such sweeping statements against the whole of psychotherapy or psychiatry etc
If that's not what you mean, then apologies.
I mean the climate is politicised. This is obvious.
There has been so much evidence linked for you to see examples - eg BBC documentary on Tavistock, Volchitsa linked an Irish doctor, public academics calling for book burning in US. One of the main NGOs in the Uk that has had an out reach influence on schools on this subject has been Mermaids. Susie Greene, the founder, took her child to the Far East when he was 16 for a phallectomy.
It is changing however in the very recent past. Thanks goodness.
And to be honest I am tired of responding to breezy trivialising and constant hand waving - if people have an opinion on specifics I will discuss it. Otherwise, no.0 -
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I mean the climate is politicised. This is obvious.
There has been so much evidence linked for you to see examples - eg BBC documentary on Tavistock, Volchitsa linked an Irish doctor, public academics calling for book burning in US. One of the main NGOs in the Uk that has had an out reach influence on schools on this subject has been Mermaids. Susie Greene, the founder, took her child to the Far East when he was 16 for a phallectomy.
It is changing however in the very recent past. Thanks goodness.
And to be honest I am tired of responding to breezy trivialising and constant hand waving - if people have an opinion on specifics I will discuss it. Otherwise, no.
It does seem to be changing recently in both the UK and Sweden as in the article you linked earlier. I have seen a lot more questions raised of mermaids recently in the UK media and coverage of the resignation in Tavistock. So hopefully this will change and broader treatments will be considered.0 -
At the moment it is almost impossible to have a neutral therapist - which is why we are having this discussion. You have to admit over the past few years it has become somewhat difficult for people in public positions to say out loud that a woman cannot physically become a man. Human beings cannot literally change sex. The idea which is often promoted by certain posters on these threads that a transwoman is indisputably a woman, full stop, has become a weighted political position. That it has effects can be demonstrably shown by the fact that recently a highly disturbed young male was imprisoned in the women's prison in Limerick. Just saying that before people say oh but it hardly...how many...it never happens...etc etc.
None of this is relevant to what I posted.
I'm on the record as saying that men tying to trasnition so that they can compete in women's sports is an issue, agreed.An example would also be Joe Biden's promise that on his first day in office he will reverse the Federal US legislation that prevents trans-identifying boys competing in girl's sports - those males have to do NOTHING to qualify as girls for the purpose. Girl's school and college sports will be hugely affected.And you also mention that children should get treatment that has no irreversible effects. So far there is no treatment beyond counselling that would have that result. Puberty blockers have severe effects on the body - even dropping the IQ. They are a disaster. But counselling alone is not acceptable to many.
Then no medical treatement before age of consent - again, agreed and I've already said this.
Again, not relevant to what I posted.I saw this today. I know it is a weird thing, and so on. https://rubyshines.com/products/form-fitting-bikini-bottom#judgeme_product_reviews
But it IS a thing. There are 79 reviews. Some mothers somewhere are putting these on their little boys from 3 and 4 years old. It is not imaginary. If we saw people selling and buying shoes that would crush a child's feet because they had a hang up about them, we would ban it.
I think there is something terribly wrong with those mothers. I think that if a very small child hates their penis so much it is a sign of trauma and a tragedy. Imagine if they hated their eyes or their hands or their feet? But it is their little child penis they are disturbed by. Sincerely I say there needs to be counselling treatment for such small children to look for trauma, excessive co-dependence, munchausens in the mother, undue influence, violence or sexual abuse in the family and so on. If a child hated their ears or belly button we would know it was trauma or a cry for help.I do think some children feel ill at ease in their gender. I think it is worth going through puberty as it has been proven this can help many. We all know those years are absolutely crazy - the ideas one can fixate upon at the best of times! If afterwards there is still unease then allow more serious medical intervention. But if you stop puberty that child will not really know what it is to have sexual pleasure or potency, and will have been badly arrested in their development including processes leading to sterility.
I am not in agreement with people who say oh it is disgusting or bizarre or whatever. But I do think the childhood thing has been approached in a catastrophic manner.
I've never endorsed puberty blockers, so again - nothing to contradict what I've posted.Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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I mean the climate is politicised. This is obvious.
There has been so much evidence linked for you to see examples - eg BBC documentary on Tavistock, Volchitsa linked an Irish doctor, public academics calling for book burning in US. One of the main NGOs in the Uk that has had an out reach influence on schools on this subject has been Mermaids. Susie Greene, the founder, took her child to the Far East when he was 16 for a phallectomy.
It is changing however in the very recent past. Thanks goodness.
And to be honest I am tired of responding to breezy trivialising and constant hand waving - if people have an opinion on specifics I will discuss it. Otherwise, no.
Yes, likewise, except when I ask questions they go unanswered, so whats the point?
I think its more like if people have an opinion on specifics that also agree with some people then it will be discussed..*
For the purposes of balance I was simply pointing out that therapists go to a lot of work to ensure neutrality. You started mentioning Jung they other say, so I assume you are aware of therapeutic concepts.
You didn't clarify that therapist are being politicised, just that therapists are not neutral.
I raise that as a point and it gets negated (passed off as me trivialising something) - *see how this works?0 -
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »None of this is relevant to what I posted.
I'm on the record as saying that men tying to trasnition so that they can compete in women's sports is an issue, agreed.
Then no medical treatement before age of consent - again, agreed and I've already said this.
Again, not relevant to what I posted.
I've never endorsed puberty blockers, so again - nothing to contradict what I've posted.
Grand so, we are in agreement. No puberty blockers on children. No biological males in women's sports. No medical or surgical treatment under the age of majority except for counselling which is the only thing with no irreversible damage.
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Apologies, I didn't mean specificlly here in your post, I meant in the thread in general. I should have been clearer.I don't know why you think that. I've never said anything of the sort.However it's a fact that the something like 4/5 of children presenting with gender dysphoria before or at the start of puberty go on to resolve their issues by the time they finsh puberty - with the noticeable exception of children who are put on the drug treatment pathway. And this is despite the fact that it's widely acknowledged by the specialists that there's no reliable way of identifying which children will still suffer gender dysphoria and which won't. So they're put on that pathway with no way of knowing whether their GD would have gone away without treatment, but knowing that once they're on it, 90 something per cent will go on to take sex hormones afterwards.
(I haven't linked to the studies just now, but they've been posted before and are available on the internet if you're interested - it's not stuff from a women's magazine.)
Which is again nothing I'd disagee with. But it seems the issue here is the pressure from over-enthusiastic SJW-type activists on the medical field. This is an issue that most certainly should be delt with.
If a child is struggling with gender identity issue to the point it's causing them genuine stress and anxiety, they should definitely see a pscyhologist though, even if it's unlikley to be a trans issue. At least to help them deal with the issues. But I'd say that about any kid going through that level of stess.Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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Yes, likewise, except when I ask questions they go unanswered, so whats the point?
I think its more like if people have an opinion on specifics that also agree with some people then it will be discussed..*
For the purposes of balance I was simply pointing out that therapists go to a lot of work to ensure neutrality. You started mentioning Jung they other say, so I assume you are aware of therapeutic concepts.
You didn't clarify that therapist are being politicised, just that therapists are not neutral.
I raise that as a point and it gets negated (passed off as me trivialising something) - *see how this works?
Frankly - and having worked for years in a field strongly related to ''personal development'' - I also know many therapists, coaches and counsellors are bat sh!t crazy people in real life.0 -
Grand so, we are in agreement. No puberty blockers on children. No biological males in women's sports. No medical or surgical treatment under the age of majority except for counselling which is the only thing with no irreversible damage.
Excellent.
Pretty much.
The only thing about pubety blockers - I don't know enough about them to comment, but if they can cause lasting damage that can't be reversed, then no.Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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I don't want to actually always be disagreeing with you :P but the work does not remain neutral. In fact neutrality is almost impossible in any field. But in therapy especially there is every kind of dynamic imaginable available.
Ah sure it's not like Docs and therapists are infallible
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And I completely agree with everything you've said there as well. But there seems to be a need among a certain trans "lobby" (not all trans people, to be clear) to have children diagnosed, and therefore treated, as being "trans" while they are still children. Presumably because this validates their own situation.Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »Apologies, I didn't mean specificlly here in your post, I meant in the thread in general. I should have been clearer.
Which is again nothing I'd disagee with. But it seems the issue here is the pressure from over-enthusiastic SJW-type activists on the medical field. This is an issue that most certainly should be delt with.
If a child is struggling with gender identity issue to the point it's causing them genuine stress and anxiety, they should definitely see a pscyhologist though, even if it's unlikley to be a trans issue. At least to help them deal with the issues. But I'd say that about any kid going through that level of stess.
So any attempt to treat these children other than by "helping" them begin the transition process is seen as an attack on trans people in general. But puberty blockers have never been properly tested for gender dysphoria. It's purely an assumption that they do only what is hoped for, ie give a neutral "breathing space" for the child to consider the sitation further, and that they don't affect the brain in some way, "crystallsing" the gender dysphoria and making it permanent. The fact that such an overwhelming majority of children who are treated with them do go on to transition suggests that this may be what is happening.
And that's before we consider the physical side effects of the drugs.0 -
I don't want to actually always be disagreeing with you :P but the work does not remain neutral. In fact neutrality is almost impossible in any field. But in therapy especially there is every kind of dynamic imaginable available.
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Ok, how about we agree to disagree at least
Ah sure it's not like Docs and therapists are infallible
Of course not, but that's a far cry from giving the impression that is hard to find one that isn't.
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Gender identity is the single most ridiculous concept humanity has ever conceived. Gender is not something you identify as, it's something you are. Do you identify as a human? No, you ARE a human. It is what you are. Man/woman are just words, words used to denote a male human/female human respectively. The same as bull and cow is used to describe the male and female counterparts of many species like elephants, whales, etc. At the end of the day, there is male and female. This is the biological standard of almost all animal life. The same as how heterosexuality is the biological standard of animal life; because that is how life continues. If most animals were homosexual, then their species would eventually go extinct! This isn't homophobic, this is just a simple fact. I'll defend homosexuality to the death, and I'm still shocked how gay people worldwide are still discriminated against as well as attacked. It is part and parcel of nature. Of course then you've bisexual people, who are just plain greedy cos they have the best of both worlds really don't they!
[Do I actually need to say that that last bit was a joke.. .. ..? I really shouldn't but seeing as how we're living in an age of such delicate little left winged snowflakes that get offended by the slightest thing these days.. .. ..]
The reason I use the term "biological standard" is because all standards have deviations. I don't like the word normal, because normal is black and white; i.e. if you're not normal you're abnormal. That's terribly naive, ignorant and insulting. Normal vs Standard: they're not one in the same thing. Whereas normal is black and white, standard is different shades of grey. Male and female is a biological standard. But 1 in every 100,000 births I think it is, there is a deviation from that standard, which is of course those born intersex. This is where the shades of grey comes in, because there are various different ways that intersex people can be. For example, some may go their whole lives without knowing they're intersex because they have all the physical traits of either male/female. It's just part of life, part of nature. People are so wrapped up in their own comfortable lives that they're under this illusion that life is free, easy and so on. It's not. Life is about struggle. Life is hard. That's just the way that life as we know it is, the way it's meant to be.
I will defend Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Intersex people to the death: LGBI. But the alphabet stops there.
Gender is NOT a social construct. I am sick and tired of one thing in the world: and that is the steadfast god complex that so much of humanity has. And the funny thing is, most people don't even recognise it as such. We treat every single natural resource on this planet as some object that is ours to possess, to play with and manipulate to our will. Look at how we treat the rest of the animal kingdom for example. We are animals the same as any other mammal, any fish, insect, etc. They're just objects to us. We're destroying their habitats at an alarming rate, with no signs of it slowing down. But I'm digressing slightly, that's another issue.
My point is, we are not gods. The book on how animal life works on our planet was written hundreds of millions of years ago; whether there was an author behind it is irrelevant, and quite frankly something I couldn't care less about. If you are born a biologically standard male or female, then you die a biologically standard male or female. Your gender is determined by your body, by your DNA. The very moment of conception when that one sperm out of millions fertilised the egg, that is what defined what you are. I don't believe in fate, but everything about what you are was sealed at that very moment. There are animals that actually can change gender given certain conditions; the majority of which are fish, amphibians and reptiles. Probably the most well known of these is the clownfish. There are some species of bird that can too. But there are no known mammals that can. And that includes us.
Who you are however is something that is not sealed, that is never sealed until you die. Who you are is vastly more important than what you are. You a man or woman? You white or black? You ginger or blonde? Okay forget that last one cos if you're ginger, then you don't have a soul so.. .. ..
[That was a joke/reference.. calm your tits.. .. .. (cos both males and females have tits, obviously, unless you've had a mastectomy to remove your breast tissue, in which case I sympathise entirely]
Speaking of sympathising with people, I sympathise with those who genuinely have gender dysphoria. Truly, I do. And believe it or not, and before you left winged wackos start tooting the usual fanfare, I'm not transphobic. I have no ill will towards transgender people, none at all. Neither does JK Rowling for that matter despite what many of you think. Yes she's said a few whacky things in recent years, but "only a woman can menstruate". This "people who menstruate" malarkey is a crock of old crap. But I recognise gender dysphoria for what it is, and that is a mental disorder. I'm sorry, but it's a fact. I'm fully aware that the World Health Organisation no longer recognises it as a mental disorder, which to me is absolutely shocking. It's a disorder the same as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Depression, etc; the only difference being that some are more severe than others.
Even in today's world, the words "mental disorder" still is taboo. Why? We all have mental health issues at some stage in our lives. Some of us just have it more severe that we actually develop these disorders. Our brains are immensely powerful things. And believe me, I understand more than most how easily they can twist your mind. It's like there's someone else inside you, someone else in charge of the remote, pressing buttons that try and skew reality, making you absolutely helpless as reality and illusion start to become intertwined. And that's exactly what this whole trangender idea is. That is the true reality of it all, because as I said earlier, gender is something that you physically are. How we feel, what emotions we have, regardless of how strong they are; cannot overrule basic logic and reason. And yet the world is actively accepting this as gospel because people are scared of being labelled as a bigot or transphobic, which is absolutely incorrect. Feelings and emotions cannot be used to make important decisions, because they're malleable. They can be twisted, coerced, manipulated. You cannot build something on a soft foundation, it needs to be solid and absolute.
Femininity and masculinity: there are masculine females just as there are feminine men. Okay, fine. Who cares? Really, who actually cares? How is that anyway important? That doesn't make the woman any less female, or the man any less male. A lot of people seem to be stuck on this ancient draconian idea that a man has to be masculine and a woman has to be feminine.. .. .. absolute horse poop. We're not living in the dark ages anymore, though unfortunately there are some parts of the world that may as well be for how homosexuality is an offense and how woman are still objectified, not even seen as a second class citizens. And if we're honest, you don't even have to travel too far to experience that either. In fact, you probably don't need to leave your own home town.
For most of human history, only until very recently in fact; men saw themselves as superior to women. And that still hasn't died out, not completely. And in some parts of the world, it's still as rampant as it ever was. The reality is, there's no difference between men and women in who we are. The only difference is in our biology.
One thing I find morally and ethically reprehensible is puberty/hormone blocking in children. Blocking the child's natural growth because of how they feel when they're a kid? That is absolutely insane. They're kids, they don't know what they want! Did you when you were a kid?? I sure as hell didn't! Their feelings change all the time. They're as dynamic as dynamic can be. Let kids be kids! Jesus christ.
Another thing that irks me, though not as much as the above, is this non-binary and cisgender rubbish. Am I cisgender? No I'm not cisgender, cos I don't identify as a man, I AM a man. Or maybe I'm one of those 1 in 100,000 that are born intersex, simply having male genitalia. The fact is, I have the body of a male human being. I have a penis, a fairly prominent Adam's apple, a male face, etc etc etc. It's what I am, not something I "identify" as. It's what I am, what I physically am. Yes men and women tend to have certain ways of thinking, mannerisms, likes, hobbies, etc that are usually associated with men and women respectively, but these are not exclusive to men and women. Let's throw out some old stereotypes here. Women like shopping, fashion, SHOES! Men like sex, sports, beer. I don't like sport. I don't drink beer. My favourite colour is magenta. Does this make any difference? Of course it doesn't. I'm still male cos that's what I physically am. And this non-binary crowd can simply duck off and take a long jump off a short pier. Privilege in a nutshell if ever I saw it. You're either male, female, or intersex.
Should transwomen be allowed to compete in women's sports? Absolutely not, because of their biology. Look at other animals in the world. In a lot of cases though not all a species' male is larger than the female. That's not sexist, that's a fact, a fact going back millions and millions of years. That's just the way life is. For much of human prehistory, it was mostly if not only the males that went out and hunted for food. That's the way it was, that's the way we evolved. Other species' groups might hunt together as wolves do, or maybe only the females do like in a pride of lions. All species are different. And the fact is that a biological male is mostly, though not always, stronger than a biological female. Why is it you only see transwomen competing in women's sports? I've never seen nor heard of transmen competing in men's sports. I wonder why.. .. ..
If someone wants to undergo surgery to have their body look like a typical male/female body, including undergoing hormone replacement treatment, go ahead. I couldn't care less. It's your life, do with it as you want. But I am not going to recognise a biological man/transgender woman or a biological woman/transgender man as a woman/female or man/male, because that is not what they are. This treatment, this surgery is entirely cosmetic. If it makes you feel better about yourself, fire away. But no amount of surgery or hormone replacement will ever change what you were born as. We do not have the natural ability to change genders. And I will not use female pronouns for a male human being, nor male pronouns for a female human being simply because of someone's feelings. I will use gender neutral language alright, which is something I don't have much issue with.
Yes that sounds harsh, but the truth is most often harsh. It has to be. I'm not being transphobic, I just have a basic respect for the natural world and its works.
Gender is not a social construct; Gender is not about feelings or emotions; Gender is exclusively about biology.
Humans are not gods. It's about damn time we stopped thinking that we are.
Now get out your pitch forks and "transphobic" slurs, because how dare I use logic and reasonable arguments.0 -
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Thank you Jaxxx
That's one of the best posts we've had on the subject on here
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