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Gender Identity in Modern Ireland (Mod warnings and Threadbanned Users in OP)
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One eyed Jack wrote: »No it doesn’t? It doesn’t weaken anyone’s ability to question anyone they wish to about anything. The women involved in the Man Friday campaign demonstrate this rather bluntly with their publicity stunts at public swimming facilities -
Female activists took a group of male swimmers by surprise on Friday evening when they attended a men-only swim session wearing just trunks and pink swimming caps.
Feminists join men-only swim in protest of proposed law to enable people to self-identify as male or female
It’s literally the case that the idea they’re protesting against isn’t happening, but they’ll protest anyway under the pretence that it is. I don’t think they’re trying to engineer a situation where they can claim they were sexually assaulted by men, because that would be particularly vicious, but by their actions they are attention seekers trying to engineer circumstances where they want people to believe something is happening, when it isn’t. That’s basically and fundamentally trying to scaremonger people and perpetuate discrimination against men by women pretending to be victims, when they’re not! It does fcukall to protect women.
Can’t question women going topless in public swimming facilities in Barcelona though, where women there have fought against rules which prohibited them from doing so, claiming it was discrimination on the basis of gender -
Women now free to go topless in all of Barcelona’s municipal pools
Your link is about London where they don’t yet have self ID,unlike Ireland.
That’s their point - attempts are being made to bring in similar laws in the UK. They’re right not to wait until it’s already done.
No idea what you mean about Barcelona- don’t men go topless there often?
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One eyed Jack wrote: »Is there a phenomenon in Ireland since the Gender Recognition Act was enacted in Irish law, of men pretending to be women, attacking women in single sex spaces, that I’m not aware of? I’m certain there isn’t, nor was there ever such a phenomenon even before the Gender Recognition Act was enacted in Irish law. In any case it would still have nothing to self-ID legislation, and everything to do with the individual in question who chooses to commit such an act.
LOL, come back with those goalposts!
You said the situation they were protesting about didn't exist - you're wrong. It does exist in Ireland, and it was going to be brought in in the UK too, until people started protesting.
(No point in me answering your goalpost-moving question because you've already dismissed any possible evidence in advance anyway)
More goalpost shifting here - clearly whatever point you were making was nonsense, so you're trying to shift to some other pointless comment.One eyed Jack wrote: »With regards to the situation in Barcelona - I’m absolutely certain they do, something which women weren’t permitted to do before, and now they have the same freedom as men to do so if they wish. You’re after reminding me of something else though - when the local school of which I was a member of the Board of Management decided they weren’t able to afford to provide swimming as an activity (it’s mandated by the curriculum), the point was raised about boys not wishing to participate with the girls and wanting to wear tee shirts to cover themselves up, while with the girls there was the opposite issue - they wanted to participate with the boys and wear bikinis showing off as much skin as possible. It was something of a reversal of reality I couldn’t get my head around if I’m being honest, but I guess the situation in Barcelona is similar - women don’t want to be restricted in what they wear, they want the same freedom as they imagine men have already.
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One eyed Jack wrote: »How am I wrong? They’re claiming that with Self-ID men would be able to infiltrate women’s single-sex spaces. It hasn’t happened, it isn’t happening, and that’s notwithstanding the fact that already in the UK people who are transgender are able to use whichever facilities they feel are more appropriate without having to produce a certificate to identify themselves as their preferred gender already, same as here in Ireland, same as they always were and will continue to do. ODB was making the point that self-ID makes it more difficult for women to ask questions. My point is that it doesn’t - women who choose to, can still be as rude as they wish to anyone else, and there are and always were consequences for that kind of behaviour. Women have never had a free pass to be rude to anyone else, and even then I don’t imagine an attacker will care for whether or not they have permission to attack their victims.
Maybe you don't understand what the word would means. :rolleyes:
No indeed I didn't. What'd be the point in me bothering to find examples of men spying on women in public toilets etc when you've already said it wouldn't prove there was a problem anyway?One eyed Jack wrote: »It wasn’t because people protested either that self-ID wasn’t brought in in the UK, it was simply determined that there were higher priorities for people who are transgender such as the waiting lists to be seen if they are depending upon the NHS, so the Government announced the opening of more clinics in order to allow for people who are transgender to receive a medical diagnosis in accordance with UK law.
I haven’t had the chance to dismiss any evidence, because you haven’t presented any! I asked was there a phenomenon of men pretending to be women to gain access to women’s single-sex spaces? I even gave you the opportunity to interpret the question as broadly as you needed to in order to present some evidence of the phenomenon which I admitted I was unaware of, but if you have evidence of the phenomenon, by all means like?
It’s not goalpost shifting, you asked me about men, and it goes back to ODB’s point about women being unable to question anyone. I was making the point that the new law in Barcelona means that rather than ideas of women’s capacity to question anyone being reduced, it was rather the opposite - women would no longer face questioning or discrimination if they decided to go topless while using the public facilities.
The cohort of women in the UK protesting against self-ID by going topless were doing it for attention seeking reasons as opposed to any legitimate protest about gender equality. They wanted to draw attention to themselves and they were successful somewhat in that men approached them only to ask them were they aware they were in the wrong single-sex space. There was no drama or hysterics or anything else, and it appears to have been a generally good natured exchange, albeit at the expense of perpetuating prejudice and discrimination against people who are transgender.
FWIW they wouldn't have to "pretend" to be women, one of the examples which I haven't bothered linking to but you could find easily enough if you were actually interested in women's safety (I know you aren't) is of men filming female students in a "gender neutral" bathroom. It isn't just, or even mainly, about trans gender women being a threat to women, it's about the elimination of single sex spaces in general.
But then you think that women should just toughen up and play rugby with men so obviously you aren't going to see a problem with women not being able to have single sex spaces either.
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