Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

xhomelezz

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

You do realize covid would spread regardless of people following the 'rules' or not? It's a highly contagious respiratory illness it was always going to spread regardless of people being good boys and girls and following the rules.

Of course I do. I didn't say there would be no infections. But I believe numbers would be on lower side constantly.

BeefeaterHat

xhomelezz wrote: »

Of course I do. I didn't say there would be no infections. But I believe numbers would be on lower side constantly.

Considering the amount of outbreaks in care homes and hospitals I think the blame lies more with the HSE and authorities rather than households and businesses.

xhomelezz

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Considering the amount of outbreaks in care homes and hospitals I think the blame lies more with the HSE and authorities rather than households and businesses.

Or on people not showing up for tests. Happily going to work or wherever and happily spreading. I think at this stage everyone should know how to avoid covid infections, even without being told by authorities. But because that's not the case, there comes restrictions.

average_runner

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Considering the amount of outbreaks in care homes and hospitals I think the blame lies more with the HSE and authorities rather than households and businesses.

Nursing homes are a private business

BeefeaterHat

xhomelezz wrote: »

Or on people not showing up for tests. Happily going to work or wherever and happily spreading. I think at this stage everyone should know how to avoid covid infections, even without being told by authorities. But because that's not the case, there comes restrictions.

Fair enough but at the same time it's impossible to ignore the constant outbreaks in hospitals and care homes in recent months. I think the high case numbers are greatly caused by that.

The HSE and government have done an awful job at protecting our most vulnerable and our high death toll compared to other European countries with similar populations and case numbers shows this.

BeefeaterHat

average_runner wrote: »

Nursing homes are a private business

So the HSE have absolutely no responsibility or authority over the care homes in Ireland? Nor does any other government body? They're a law unto themselves completely are they?

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

So the HSE have absolutely no responsibility or authority over the care homes in Ireland?

No absolute authority over private care homes, that has to be awarded to them by a court.

This happens if there is gross negligence in regards the regulations.

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

No absolute authority over private care homes, that has to be awarded to them by a court.

This happens if there is gross negligence in regards the regulations.

And what about the act of gross negligence that was transferring patients from hospital to care homes without screening them first? There should be a medical malpractice/manslaughter charge for that cock up.

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

And what about the act of gross negligence that was transferring patients from hospital to care homes without screening them first? There should be a medical malpractice/manslaughter charge for that cock up.

Inquiry has been recommended.

Firstly, the Report recommends that a public inquiry be set up to investigate all circumstances surrounding each individual death due to Covid-19 in nursing homes.

Secondly, the Report recommends that a review be undertaken into the impact of the privatisation of Ireland’s nursing homes.

The 2nd part is pertinent to the topic at hand.

xhomelezz

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Fair enough but at the same time it's impossible to ignore the constant outbreaks in hospitals and care homes in recent months. I think the high case numbers are greatly caused by that.

The HSE and government have done an awful job at protecting our most vulnerable and our high death toll compared to other European countries with similar populations and case numbers shows this.

Agree with that.

Gervais08

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

So the HSE have absolutely no responsibility or authority over the care homes in Ireland? Nor does any other government body? They're a law unto themselves completely are they?

HSE no but HIQA do.

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

Inquiry has been recommended.



The 2nd part is pertinent to the topic at hand.

Like any inquiry in this country it'll go absolutely nowhere. A few people will get a bollicking but that'll be as far as it goes. Senior Care should never have been privatized like it has been.

FintanMcluskey

Chelsea vs Leeds will have 2000 fans in attendance later today.

Meanwhile the panels involved in the once in 100 years semi final pairing on today in one of Europe’s largest stadiums can’t attend.

Captain_Crash

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Chelsea vs Leeds will have 2000 fans in attendance later today.

Meanwhile the panels involved in the once in 100 years semi final pairing on today in one of Europe’s largest stadiums can’t attend.

Did I not read yesterday that the full panels will be allowed attend??

Mr. Karate

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The problem is that the moral compass is set to 0 Covid deaths and 0 Covid cases.

The vaccine won’t achieve that

In fact Tony has already said a vaccine will “compliment” current measures.

Anybody expecting 0 covid is nuts. The Flu shot has been out longer than most of us have been alive and people still catch it every year.

CIARAN_BOYLE

dalyboy wrote: »

Would have been nice if Tony had given some semblance of a timeline when he made these comments . Instead everyone’s flouting away in a confused limbo.

How many vaccines will be approved and when? How good will they be?

Tony doesn't know. He doesn't have solid data. How can he give you a timeline for whatever number of vaccinations.

In my non scientific opinion 1 million of the more vulnerable people get vaccinated and restrictions will be very low (level 1 with occasional level 2 lockdowns).

3 million vaccinated and we can fully go back to normal.

Micky 32

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Anybody expecting 0 covid is nuts. The Flu shot has been out longer than most of us have been alive and people still catch it every year.

Still very effective though, as i said earlier i deal with the public everyday and i haven’t had the flu for at least 10 years.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

In fact Tony has already said a vaccine will “compliment” current measures.

This point has been responded to loads of times already. You're intelligent enough to know the reason for him saying this.

Paddygreen

More and more experts saying that masks and social decay measures will have to stay FOREVER guys... even when the altruistic drug corporations have dished out the salvation of their wonderful vaccines. The goalposts in the sheep pen are getting moved around guys so ye better get used to it....

The New York Times asked 700 epidemiologists to describe their COVID-19 habits, how their thinking has changed since the pandemic began, and when they think it will be safe for normal life to resume. Dismayingly, several answered that last question with a resounding never.

]I expect that wearing a mask will become part of my daily life, moving forward, even after a vaccine is deployed," Amy Hobbs, a research associate at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told The Times.

Marilyn Tseng, an assistant professor at California Polytechnic State University, said life would never revert to the way it was, though the preventative measures currently practiced—masks and social distancing—will feel "normal" in time. Similarly, Vasily Vlassov, a professor at HSE University in Moscow, said life was perfectly normal now because this is the new normal.

https://reason.com/2020/12/04/epidemiologists-masks-social-distancing-vaccine-forever-new-york-times/

AUDI20

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Chelsea vs Leeds will have 2000 fans in attendance later today.

Meanwhile the panels involved in the once in 100 years semi final pairing on today in one of Europe’s largest stadiums can’t attend.

Full panels are allowed for the semi finals, that was changed during the week.

Mr. Karate

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Micky 32 wrote: »

Still very effective though, as i said earlier i deal with the public everyday and i haven’t had the flu for at least 10 years.

I'm not doubting its effectiveness. I'm just saying its nuts to think we'll have Covid completely eradicated once this vaccine is available.

Micky 32

Mr. Karate wrote: »

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I'm not doubting its effectiveness. I'm just saying its nuts to think we'll have Covid completely eradicated once this vaccine is available.

I don’t expect it to be. My point is it will be enough to get my life back as close as normal and back travelling again with confidence.

drunkmonkey

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

3 million vaccinated and we can fully go back to normal.

We've just over 1 million vaccinated with the flu vaccine so far this year with loads of doses set to expire soon.
I really think it's going to be a massive struggle to hit 3 million.

FintanMcluskey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've just over 1 million vaccinated with the flu vaccine so far this year with loads of doses set to expire soon.
I really think it's going to be a massive struggle to hit 3 million.

Are the healthcare workers willing to take this vaccine I wonder?

They are very reluctant to take the flu vaccine

drunkmonkey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are the healthcare workers willing to take this vaccine I wonder?

They are very reluctant to take the flu vaccine

I think they will, there's a lot of nurses jumping ship apparently, early retirement and just leaving, it's been very though on some depending on where they were working.

xhomelezz

Paddygreen wrote: »

More and more experts saying that masks and social decay measures will have to stay FOREVER guys... even when the altruistic drug corporations have dished out the salvation of their wonderful vaccines. The goalposts in the sheep pen are getting moved around guys so ye better get used to it....




https://reason.com/2020/12/04/epidemiologists-masks-social-distancing-vaccine-forever-new-york-times/

OMFG seriouslly

Don't Chute!

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've just over 1 million vaccinated with the flu vaccine so far this year with loads of doses set to expire soon.
I really think it's going to be a massive struggle to hit 3 million.

We’ve a fair few doses around here that refuse to expire.

xhomelezz

Don't Chute! wrote: »

We’ve a fair few doses around here that refuse to expire.

Well those doses won't probably work next year, just saying.

Paddygreen

Guys there has to be some sort of visible mark of salvation or everyone could go around saying they are saved...

Micky 32

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've just over 1 million vaccinated with the flu vaccine so far this year with loads of doses set to expire soon.
I really think it's going to be a massive struggle to hit 3 million.

The flu never resulted in restrictions or “lockdowns” so i’m guessing uptake will be a little higher than the flu vaccine. I never bothered with the flu vaccine but i’ll certainly take the Covid vaccine.