Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

vid36

There are more than 70,000 excess deaths in the UK so far this year. The stats are clear. You can compare the figures for decades. This idea that people who succumb to Covid 19 were dying anyway is not supported by any data and is Trumpian rhetoric at its ignorant best. The vaccine is here, rollout will take a few months, maybe even half a year, but I think the majority support current restrictions as opposed to substantially more causalities in our rush to open up wet pubs and nightclubs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54976362

Quantum Erasure

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you suggesting nobody should expect to die between the ages of 82-94?

Sorry, it was actually 8.62 years at age 80 in 2015 and rising, probably 9 years now
https://knoema.com/atlas/topics/Demographics/Age/Life-expectancy-at-age-80-years (Ireland is 52nd in the list)

Are you suggesting nobody should expect to die between they're born and they reach 82 years old?

Quantum Erasure

bb1234567 wrote: »

True, something a lot of people forget here, if you didn't die in a car crash or whatever when you were young and made it to 60 then 82 is a pretty young age to die at in Ireland.

Life expectancy at age 80 in Ireland is 8.6 years as of 2015, even higher now by 2020.
https://knoema.com/atlas/Ireland/topics/Demographics/Age/Life-expectancy-at-age-80-years

Ha, I was busy looking it up and missed your post...

Ginger n Lemon

vid36 wrote: »

There are more than 70,000 excess deaths in the UK so far this year. The stats are clear. You can compare the figures for decades. This idea that people who succumb to Covid 19 were dying anyway is not supported by any data and is Trumpian rhetoric at its ignorant best. The vaccine is here, rollout will take a few months, maybe even half a year, but I think the majority support current restrictions as opposed to substantially more causalities in our rush to open up wet pubs and nightclubs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54976362

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Sorry, it was actually 8.62 years at age 80 in 2015 and rising, probably 9 years now
https://knoema.com/atlas/topics/Demographics/Age/Life-expectancy-at-age-80-years (Ireland is 52nd in the list)

Are you suggesting nobody should expect to die between they're born and they reach 82 years old?

How does any of this change the fact that 44%+ are deaths of OVER 85 years old with a positive pcr test?

In fact people are so old HSE dont even bother specifying "85 to 94" "94 to 101" etc.

Ginger n Lemon

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Sorry, it was actually 8.62 years at age 80 in 2015 and rising, probably 9 years now
https://knoema.com/atlas/topics/Demographics/Age/Life-expectancy-at-age-80-years (Ireland is 52nd in the list)

Are you suggesting nobody should expect to die between they're born and they reach 82 years old?

No. He is suggesting that people die at around 82 years of age in this country.

Its called statistics.

Not the "damn lies and covid statistics" but actual statistics.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No. He is suggesting that people die at around 82 years of age in this country.

Its called statistics.

Not the "damn lies and covid statistics" but actual statistics.

If you lived in Cork and I lived in Dublin, on average we would live somewhere in Kilkenny, neither of us would live anywhere around Kilkenny however

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

If you lived in Cork and I lived in Dublin, on average we would live somewhere in Kilkenny, neither of us would live anywhere around Kilkenny however

That’s an interesting analogy.

Utter nonsense but interesting non the less

VonLuck

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Having stated something as fact then I most certainly do expect to see 'something' to back up what appears to be opinion and not fact.

I can quite simply state that the number of deaths caused by lockdowns are far greater than those without lockdowns, but it is not a fact unless I can support my statement.

You're asking the impossible. There's no way to prove an alternative outcome to something in the past, unless you have a time machine. However you can come to conclusions based on how deaths occurred which ultimately comes down to people interacting with those who are infected. Reducing interactions clearly would reduce infections, hence reducing deaths.

Again, using a car analogy, if someone died in a car crash and had no seat belt on you would certainly say they would have had a much greater chance of survival if they had it on. You can't definitively prove it, but you would be an idiot to say otherwise.

CruelSummer

Dr Holohan is talking about the worry index again. People are ‘less concerned’ apparently.

CruelSummer

The City Centre yesterday was ‘busier than he expected’ when he was in. Such a calamity. People out & about.

Ginger n Lemon

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s an interesting analogy.

Utter nonsense but interesting non the less

But its funny Fintan. That post is akin to Noxx "I drink Guinness like a demon"

classic.

on a more serious note, I saw people queue to Newbridge Penneys at 9.50 AM on Sunday morning. In freezing cold and fog. People are willing to catch a cold to get some of those 3.50 t shirts. Covid truly seem to exist only on RTE, BBCs and CNN. Remember mass graves in Brazil :rolleyes:

normanoffside

CruelSummer wrote: »

The City Centre yesterday was ‘busier than he expected’ yesterday when he was in. Such a calamity. People out & about.

And yet he was contributing to the crowds himself.

Ginger n Lemon

normanoffside wrote: »

And yet he was contributing to the crowds himself.

Great point. If this was a deadly disease they'd be doing the death and destruction announcements over zoom.

BeefeaterHat

normanoffside wrote: »

And yet he was contributing to the crowds himself.

Yeah but like his appearance on the late late he was probably on important business or something.

Quantum Erasure

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No. He is suggesting that people die at around 82 years of age in this country.

Its called statistics..

If you've lived that long, you can expect to live another 9 years, on average. You could drop dead in the morning, you could live another 20 years or more

RobitTV

Holohan is now sending out his usual boring scripted warning messages again so he can remain relevant and he can say 'told you so' in January and demand we go back to Level 5 for being naughty and reckless over the Christmas period.

What a snooze fest.

normanoffside

Tony very surprised that the ECDC said air travel was safe.

RobitTV

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony very surprised that the ECDC said air travel was safe.

I'm not surprised he is surprised :pac:

brisan

Boggles wrote: »

People continuously misunderstand life expectancy.

But anyway she could live until she is a 100.

She'll have experienced worse in her life than only being able to spend 105 minutes in a pub or whatever it is for a restaurant.

She has lived through far tougher times, she'll be grand.

I imagine she is not on the internet snowflaking out about it, she's probably down the pub.

She is on the internet ok as its about the only contact she has with her grandchildren
She does not drink and yes she has experienced the war and recessions .but at least she had some social contact during those times ,now she has none

Ginger n Lemon

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

If you've lived that long, you can expect to live another 9 years, on average. You could drop dead in the morning, you could live another 20 years or more

Pushing me nicely into 100 + years old.

Also, I have some magic beans for you

brisan

xhomelezz wrote: »

Or on people not showing up for tests. Happily going to work or wherever and happily spreading. I think at this stage everyone should know how to avoid covid infections, even without being told by authorities. But because that's not the case, there comes restrictions.

Would you include HSE run hospitals and care homes in this cohort ?
Evidence suggests otherwise

brisan

average_runner wrote: »

Nursing homes are a private business

Not all of them
But you knew that ,
You did know that didn't you ???

brisan

average_runner wrote: »

Nursing homes are a private business

Monitored and regulated by who ?????

Thats me

copeyhagen wrote: »

lost 1 37th of my life to this ****e.

Given we have about 9 months of "this ****e", are you going to die in age 21.75?

Rrrrrr2

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony very surprised that the ECDC said air travel was safe.

Yea Tony the GP and long time pen pusher knows a lot more than all of the ECDC put together- I’m shocked they haven’t heard of him and sought his advice for all of Europe

brisan

risteard7 wrote: »

Staff are bringing it in to work, so a student nurse goes to a house party with friends on a Saturday night & has to go to work the following week after getting the virus.

How the hell, can you blame the HSE for that?

They have these things called covid tests
They used to test all HCW and nursing home residents daily ,now they don't

brisan

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

How come there are still so many Garda checkpoints around? I get the need for them at county lines, but for instance in Dublin, there are so many, that are a good distance from county borders...

Swords: R132 at the GAA club, checkpoint there daily now..
Swords Road (under M50 bridge), there now
Oscar Traynor road, it's there quite often....


Why are there still so many checkpoints (well) within Dublin? Is it just to show their presence? to keep up the fight against Covid? to intimidate??

Could be for other reasons but using covid as an excuse

Boggles

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony very surprised that the ECDC said air travel was safe.

Everyone is, as it goes against ECDC's own advice.



It's also largely based on Europe is riddled anyway, so what harm.

brisan

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well to be fair they were adamant and ensuring that the Olympics would go ahead last summer as well, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't again really

Japan will have their population vaccinated before that
They do things like that properly

brisan

end of the road wrote: »

if they are unreliable then no point in wasting time using them given you would have to send the samples for a reliable test anyway.
may as well just shorten the period for testing to a week and send the samples for a reliable test.

You are deliberately misquoting the OP to suit your own agenda and you should apologize, but I reckon apology is not a word you are familiar with
The op said the tests were not 100% effective but you conveniently left out the 100%
Even if they only caught 80% of the positive cases that is 80% less fornicating young nurses spreading the virus