Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

average_runner

Boggles wrote: »

So you think it will be a less restrictive measure, so would agree with it?

Its no different to needing ID for going into a Pub or a concert

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The only way an 18 year old is ahead of you is if they are in long term residential care or have a high risk pre existing condition

Read the priority listing. If everything goes well for Tony and vaccine stops people spreading it he wants an 18 year old vaccinated before a 54 year old as 18 year olds have more contacts/friends. This protect the already vaccinated with quicker herd immunity.

Captain_Crash

Deleted User wrote: »

Read the priority listing. If everything goes well for Tony and vaccine stops people spreading it he wants an 18 year old vaccinated before a 54 year old as 18 year olds have more contacts/friends. This protect the already vaccinated with quicker herd immunity.

That actually makes a degree of sense. It also gets people back to work quicker and money flowing back to the HSE, who'll make a balls of things anyway.

In fact, I've got zero confidence that any vaccination series will be seamless and without scandal.

Captain_Crash

Captain_Crash wrote: »

That actually makes a degree of sense. It also gets people back to work quicker and money flowing back to the HSE, who'll make a balls of things anyway.

In fact, I've got zero confidence that any vaccination series will be seamless and without scandal.

If it makes sense, then tony should tone down on the fearmongering that anyone can die of this. Truth is he thinks anyone under 55 covid is a bad flu. He cant have his cake and eat it. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Vaccination will be a s**t storm. Has all the ingredients.

BryanMartin21

brisan wrote: »

Who said thought was a crime
Where did that notion come from
An anti vaxx belief is a belief that vaccinations are not necessary or wanted to the individual

I've no inclination to get the flu vaccine but I have gotten vaccines against more harmful illnesses. Am I holding anti-vaxx beliefs?

BryanMartin21

Deleted User wrote: »

If it makes sense, then tony should tone down on the fearmongering that anyone can die of this. Truth is he thinks anyone under 55 covid is a bad flu. He cant have his cake and eat it. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Worst case scenario bad flu for the under 55s (without severe underlyings), negligible for the vast majority of under 55s.

average_runner

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Worst case scenario bad flu for the under 55s (without severe underlyings), negligible for the vast majority of under 55s.

More than likely. So you be ok if your Private healthcare doesn't cover covid and the same for traveling abroad?

BryanMartin21

average_runner wrote: »

More than likely. So you be ok if your Private healthcare doesn't cover covid and the same for traveling abroad?

Of course.

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

So you think it will be a less restrictive measure, so would agree with it?

Stop twisting my words. Where in my post did I even imply that I agreed with it?

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Stop twisting my words. Where in my post did I even imply that I agreed with it?

Jaysus.

They are your words. You claimed vaccination passpords are less restrictive than other measures introduced.

I merely asked you a question.

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

Jaysus.

They are your words. You claimed vaccination passpords are less restrictive than other measures introduced.

I merely asked you a question.

Considering I used the words draconian and government overreach to describe mandatory vaccines and other measures, take a wild guess how I feel about them.

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Considering I used the words draconian and government overreach to describe mandatory vaccines and other measures, take a wild guess how I feel about them.

Is there any restrictions you don't consider draconian?

PTH2009

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4142369452458692&id=257558294273180&sfnsn=mo

Alright lads

No singing
Hugs, kisses and shaking hands
Share food
Share cutlery
No staying in the same room for long

**** off

BeefeaterHat

Boggles wrote: »

Is there any restrictions you don't consider draconian?

I consider things like 5k limits to travel, bans on inter county travel, barring people from certain places / activities to be draconian. The lockdowns were necessary to a degree but keeping us shut down over the summer while the rest of Europe got a break was overdoing it

Don't Chute!

average_runner wrote: »

Funniest thing i heard today

In the “level 5 lockdown essentially failed” thread in post number 57 somebody when setting out what lockdown SHOULD have been they suggest “isolated camps for children where they would live all the time with their teachers”.
So, tell us again how funny that is. This is the type of absolute lunacy that this thing is bringing out.

Necro

Mod:

Vaccine discussion et al should go in the dedicated vaccine thread, this is about the relaxation of restrictions.

I'm aware that some of this goes hand in hand but roaming off topic into discussion on the pros and cons of a 'vaccine passport' is definitely not for this thread.

Thanks folks.

CruelSummer

MadYaker wrote: »

Can you find any links to media reports from last year of queues of ambulances forming outside hospitals in the north and doctors treating patients in the car park? I can’t.

Actually I hate to inform you, it's happened over multiple years in Ireland and the U.K. unfortunately. It's not new:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30948568.html

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/patients-spending-17-hours-stuck-16739738

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30974193.html

These articles are all from before the pandemic, from 2019, 2018 and January 2020. I've seen other articles re Irish hospitals over the years where ambulances are forced to wait outside A&E's and are then tied up when the next call comes in.
This is reality, it doesn't make it right.
I'm not pretending Covid doesn't exist and isn't a threat to certain groups of people. I just don't agree with our response. We will leave this pandemic with the same health service we had previously, useless. And we could have invested billions in it with all the money we've spent keeping healthy people at home.

Itssoeasy

So I’d forgotten that there are future relaxation from Friday. I was in a hotel yesterday after a funeral but we had a limited time and number of people there and separate tables and no mixing and masks had to be be worn which made a **** day somewhat easier knowing that the place in question were very strict.

Boggles

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

I consider things like 5k limits to travel, bans on inter county travel, barring people from certain places / activities to be draconian. The lockdowns were necessary to a degree but keeping us shut down over the summer while the rest of Europe got a break was overdoing it

Were we locked down over summer?

PTH2009

Panic buttons at the ready, Lockdown 3 is coming

All the wet pubs fault oh wait

Boggles

PTH2009 wrote: »

Panic buttons at the ready, Lockdown 3 is coming

Further restrictions are being lifted in 2 days.

Penfailed

MadYaker wrote: »

Can you find any links to media reports from last year of queues of ambulances forming outside hospitals in the north and doctors treating patients in the car park? I can’t.

You can't find any because it hasn't happened before.

Rrrrrr2

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4142369452458692&id=257558294273180&sfnsn=mo

Alright lads

No singing
Hugs, kisses and shaking hands
Share food
Share cutlery
No staying in the same room for long

**** off

The comments are good and telling in fairness- majority are done with this utter nonsensical rubbish.
If there’s yet another lockdown it’s going to be fun I reckon- the ****e is crumbling now

Rrrrrr2

Boggles wrote: »

Were we locked down over summer?

Yep- pubs etc never fully opened. No gigs, major restrictions and gatherings and events. Of course we were locked down. And have been since March

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

There wasn't Covid hysteria then so of course you wouldn't- but people on trolleys has been a constant feature throughout my life but suddenly all that is "shock horror we're all gonna die" stuff.

There's a massive difference between people waiting on trolleys (that's still happening too) and fifteen ambulances queued up outside A&E whilst doctors and nurses get in and out of them to triage patients.

Boggles

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yep- pubs etc never fully opened. No gigs, major restrictions and gatherings and events. Of course we were locked down. And have been since March

You might have been, I certainly wasn't.

BeefeaterHat

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yep- pubs etc never fully opened. No gigs, major restrictions and gatherings and events. Of course we were locked down. And have been since March

Exactly, we've had nonstop restrictions basically. Just because we've been let very grudgingly out of our kennels over the mid summer and early autumn and again at Christmas doesn't change that fact.

Penfailed

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yep- pubs etc never fully opened. No gigs, major restrictions and gatherings and events. Of course we were locked down. And have been since March

That's not a lockdown. That's having a few restrictions.

BeefeaterHat

Penfailed wrote: »

That's not a lockdown. That's having a few restrictions.

It's not a few restrictions, it's entire sectors of the economy, hundred's of thousands of jobs and billions of euro stifled. Don't undersell it.

FintanMcluskey

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

It's not a few restrictions, it's entire sectors of the economy, hundred's of thousands of jobs and billions of euro stifled. Don't undersell it.

There is a cohort of people who only believe having the front doors of their homes welded shut is a lockdown.

Great social studies to be done after this

Doubt freedom will return fully tbh