Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

normanoffside wrote: »

Despite Nolan’s flawed modelling saying our hospitals would be overwhelmed we barely reached 300, less than 3% of the total public beds.

It was 354 in late October.

Also I am pretty sure Nolan's model was based on the idea if we didn't act, we did act.

Did he use the term "overwhelmed"?

NPHET's primary remit is to keep non covid health care functioning.

Boggles

bush wrote: »

Positive news me hole

Family and loved ones spending Christmas together is positive, I don't see how that can be spun into a negative, I imagine it's coming though.

You have one miserable hole.

Pitch n Putt

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ll be back in full lockdown in late December, probably for 6 weeks. Then it will likely get extended for another 6 weeks with retail reopening.

That will bring us up to April. Cases will probably start dropping off not too long after that point as summer kicks in and schools start closing for summer.

Wet pubs, nightclubs and big events won’t return anytime soon.

Things might start to change more in the 2nd half of 2021 as people are vaccinated and the financial situation gets desperate.

Just when things start looking positive on the Covid front, budget 2022 will arrive. A combination of extra taxes, spending cuts, PUP payments ending if not already finished.

We’ll start to pay attention to all the things we’ve been ignoring such as the housing crisis and realise the situation is pretty grim for the years ahead.

I pray that I’m wrong. Fear that I’m not.

Unfortunately your probably spot on but fear not...

We have the greatest set of can kickers running the country so like brexit it will be extend extend,borrow borrow pile up debt for generations to come and let the next government deal with it

A Fianna fail special if u like...

Whoever the hell voted for them after the last time they sold our country for their own benefit. It beggars belief really

Rrrrrr2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We’ll be back in full lockdown in late December, probably for 6 weeks. Then it will likely get extended for another 6 weeks with retail reopening.

That will bring us up to April. Cases will probably start dropping off not too long after that point as summer kicks in and schools start closing for summer.

Wet pubs, nightclubs and big events won’t return anytime soon.

Things might start to change more in the 2nd half of 2021 as people are vaccinated and the financial situation gets desperate.

Just when things start looking positive on the Covid front, budget 2022 will arrive. A combination of extra taxes, spending cuts, PUP payments ending if not already finished.

We’ll start to pay attention to all the things we’ve been ignoring such as the housing crisis and realise the situation is pretty grim for the years ahead.

I pray that I’m wrong. Fear that I’m not.

Nah you’re spot on- it’s clear the new year is starting as they mean to go on- a continuous flux of lockdowns, uncertainty and general nothingness. 2021 is going to be a repeat of 2020

average_runner

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ll be back in full lockdown in late December, probably for 6 weeks. Then it will likely get extended for another 6 weeks with retail reopening.

That will bring us up to April. Cases will probably start dropping off not too long after that point as summer kicks in and schools start closing for summer.

Wet pubs, nightclubs and big events won’t return anytime soon.

Things might start to change more in the 2nd half of 2021 as people are vaccinated and the financial situation gets desperate.

Just when things start looking positive on the Covid front, budget 2022 will arrive. A combination of extra taxes, spending cuts, PUP payments ending if not already finished.

We’ll start to pay attention to all the things we’ve been ignoring such as the housing crisis and realise the situation is pretty grim for the years ahead.

I pray that I’m wrong. Fear that I’m not.

Of course they will. They see the number of cases going up when we are meant to keep our number of social contacts low. So if we are doing that, then the restrictions we relaxed from level
5 to level 3 must be causing the rise ??


That's the way they are seeing it and they will keep seeing it that way.


We might not agree with it, but what else has changed in the last 2 weeks?

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

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But as of today, visiting restrictions have been lifted.

So positive news.

Positive news, lol. Being temporarily handed back a fraction of your old freedom is not "positive news".

Enjoy the "meaningful Christmas", guys (whatever that means) :pac:

Back to the "new normal" 2021.

Rrrrrr2

Boggles wrote: »

Family and loved ones spending Christmas together is positive, I don't see how that can be spun into a negative, I imagine it's coming though.

You have one miserable hole.

Christmas usually extends into new year for most of us- it’s going to be cut into a big race of panic to be squeezed into a few days then that’s hugely negative. The fact we are even having this conversation beggars belief really

Boggles

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Christmas usually extends into new year for most of us- it’s going to be cut into a big race of panic to be squeezed into a few days then that’s hugely negative. The fact we are even having this conversation beggars belief really

Or you could chose not to panic.

Again if you just focus on the negatives, that's all you will end up seeing.

I think "The lady doth protest too much" should be added to the thread title.

average_runner

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Christmas usually extends into new year for most of us- it’s going to be cut into a big race of panic to be squeezed into a few days then that’s hugely negative. The fact we are even having this conversation beggars belief really

Well your meant to keep social contacts lower than usual and social meetings down. Thought it was a max of two households in a house?


So should be a bit of a smaller xmas.


Now alot won't follow this but then they can't moan about a new lock down

average_runner

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

You're missing the overall context. Projected 600 deaths under the age of 85 in a year in Ireland with covid by the time March comes around. This is in spite of the tens of thousands of recorded positives and the presumably many multiples higher figure for actual infections.

People need education more than restrictions; hand washing, masks, no crowds, stay at home if you have a cold, lose the belly etc. I say this as the level 5 for 6 weeks we had recently did a lot but seems to only get numbers down so low.

If people don't know all that stuff by now there is no hope. It's been on tv, leaflets in the letter box, radio and tv adds etc.
Sad fact is that there is a group of people who don't care, they test positive and they still go to an event.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Positive news, lol. Being temporarily handed back a fraction of your old freedom is not "positive news".

Jesus Christ, you'd swear you have spent the last past 10 months in a prisoner of war camp.

Rrrrrr2

Boggles wrote: »

Or you could chose not to panic.

Again if you just focus on the negatives, that's all you will end up seeing.

I think "The lady doth protest too much" should be added to the thread title.

I’m not panicking- it’s Nphet and their lackies that specialise in that.

this is the one thing that cannot be enforced so visiting each other no matter how many houses we call into, cannot be given or taken away.
Yes closing pubs, cafes etc are all enforceable of course but you're foolish if you think that I (speaking for myself) believe they have allowed me to enjoy xmas with MY family, how very gracious.. simply not enforceable so it's an easy one to offer..anyone can see that

Pitch n Putt

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Nah you’re spot on- it’s clear the new year is starting as they mean to go on- a continuous flux of lockdowns, uncertainty and general nothingness. 2021 is going to be a repeat of 2020

Us being an island will be left behind when the vaccine rollout comes.Mainland Europe will get priority vaccine rollout.

We’re going to end up getting the odd 5/10000 shipments which our Taoiseach and hse executive has already mentioned in the rollout plan.

We’ve to rely on our HSE top brass geniuses and some rollout task force to oversee this widespread vaccine rollout.

I wouldn’t trust this government or the HSE top brass to rollout pastry let alone the vaccine

History of the efficiency of the HSE and the government would have to question how many problems will occur with distribution of the vaccine

Another long year of over cautious restrictions ahead for all ...

Rrrrrr2

average_runner wrote: »

If people don't know all that stuff by now there is no hope. It's been on tv, leaflets in the letter box, radio and tv adds etc.
Sad fact is that there is a group of people who don't care, they test positive and they still go to an event.

“No hope”? Are we all going to die of Covid or something?

Boggles

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’m not panicking- it’s Nphet and their lackies that specialise in that.

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Christmas usually extends into new year for most of us- it’s going to be cut into a big race of panic to be squeezed into a few days then that’s hugely negative. The fact we are even having this conversation beggars belief really

Unless you are spending Christmas with NPHET you are indeed panicking or at least telling me you are going to be.

FrStone

average_runner wrote: »

Well your meant to keep social contacts lower than usual and social meetings down. Thought it was a max of two households in a house?


So should be a bit of a smaller xmas.


Now alot won't follow this but then they can't moan about a new lock down

Those who don't follow the restrictions are fully entitled to complain about the imposition of restrictions. People realise that implementing draconian restrictions when the hospitals are operating significantly below capacity is madness.

The idea that people are to blame for restrictions being imposed is crazy logic.

average_runner

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

“No hope”? Are we all going to die of Covid or something?

I am sure your view would change if you gave the virus to a love one and they died because of you being careless!!!

Ginger n Lemon

Clubs in the championship already failing to pay players wages.

Shi* show about to commence. But apparently we need to find positives. I wont talk about league of Ireland lol PUP :rolleyes:

Rrrrrr2

Boggles wrote: »

Unless you are spending Christmas with NPHET you are indeed panicking or at least telling me you are going to be.

No I’m not panicking- please don’t try to presume how you think I feel. Just so your are clear, I don’t give a ****e about Covid. So there’s zero panic my end, despite your attempts to invent it

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus Christ, you'd swear you have spent the last past 10 months in a prisoner of war camp.

I haven't been following any of it.

But I assume *you've* been wearing your mask, avoiding close contact with people, not travelling 5km outside your home, and now allowing your government to tell you who can and can't visit you for Christmas.

How's that freedom going for ya? :pac:

Rrrrrr2

average_runner wrote: »

I am sure your view would change if you gave the virus to a love one and they died because of you being careless!!!

Such hyper emotional drivel.

average_runner

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Such hyper emotional drivel.

Until it happens. Enjoy your xmas anyhow. Keep safe

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't been following any of it.

But I assume *you've* been wearing your mask, avoiding close contact with people, not travelling 5km outside your home, and now allowing your government to tell you who can and can't visit you for Christmas.

How's that freedom going for ya? :pac:

Oh right, which country do you live in?

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Such hyper emotional drivel.

It's happened. I'm sure there are a few people amongst us grappling with that guilt.

normanoffside

Boggles wrote: »

It was 354 in late October.

Also I am pretty sure Nolan's model was based on the idea if we didn't act, we did act.

Did he use the term "overwhelmed"?

NPHET's primary remit is to keep non covid health care functioning.

354, wow! And how many of them caught it in hospital?
And yes Around mid October he said we’d have over a 1000 in hospital by the end of October despite knowing of the restrictions and the incoming level 5

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Would much prefer an evidence based narrative than the crank based narrative espoused here

you mean the actual HSE data showing ZERO pub or restaurant transmissions? Please answer this, is there better data?



https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week502020_v1.0_15122020_WebVersion.pdf


Please answer this. Why ?
Numbers are tiny anyway out of 5 million people (200 hospital and 30 ICU) - these numbers are tony - no restrictions warranted on their basis only common sense/hygiene



Just in case , people here have obsession with nightclubs on this thread as if they are some gotcha question - yes , open them.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Oh right, which country do you live in?

Ireland. But I govern myself on these issues

Eat up that carrot up now before the 28th, guys :pac:

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland. But I govern myself on these issues

Oh right, so its "your" government too essentially.

Does someone do your shopping for you?

Boggles

normanoffside wrote: »

354, wow!

It's not really "wow", it's just an accurate representation of reality.

But again NPHET's primary remit it to keep non covid health running, this is dependent on available wards, available ICU beds and available staffing.

So far so good.