Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

RunningFlyer wrote: »

Just read they are considering closing hospitality again from 28th December.

Very convenient - schools are off so if there’s a reduction in cases NPHET and Sir Tony can claim it was closing the hospitality sector that made the difference.

Wish the government would grow a back-bone and call their bluff... never going to happen though.

NPHET take their remit from the government.

The Governments primary goals is to keep non covid health care and schools open and functioning, NPHET are charged with offering public health advice on how best to do that.

The Government would be calling their own bluff, essentially.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

The Governments primary goals is to keep non covid health care...functioning,

If that's the goal they're doing a piss poor job.

Hospitals are very quiet while unknown hoards of people are rotting from the inside out with various unscreened and untreated diseases.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

If that's the goal they're doing a piss poor job.

Schools are open and so is health care.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Hospitals are very quiet while unknown hoards of people are rotting from the inside out with various unscreened and untreated diseases.

Again "quiet" is relative. There is currently 55 people in UL on trolleys.

Screening is also back up and running.

Cancer services, dialysis, emergency and elective surgery all running.

Emergency departments are open as are clinics.

RunningFlyer

The issue is healthcare has been so neglected and let to rot in recent living memory that it is showing now with this crisis where we simply don’t have the infrastructure to deal with extra pressure on the health service.

Every year there is huge numbers waiting on trolleys etc.

At least we have a leader who is on-the-ball and very in-touch with the general population, as emphasised with his knowledge of the bank bailouts this week!

Jinglejangle69

RunningFlyer wrote: »

The issue is healthcare has been so neglected and let to rot in recent living memory that it is showing now with this crisis where we simply don’t have the infrastructure to deal with extra pressure on the health service.

Every year there is huge numbers waiting on trolleys etc.

At least we have a leader who is on-the-ball and very in-touch with the general population, as emphasised with his knowledge of the bank bailouts this week!

Most healthcare systems in the world aren't coping other hence lockdowns.

Kermit.de.frog

Today's preliminary figures show beyond doubt we have put ourselves in a bad situation. The positivity rate is now increasing somewhere between 0.3 and 0.7% per day.

Every day not taking action now worsens the pain in the new year and will have a retarding effect on getting numbers back stable. It will require ever tougher measures.

We are hopelessly exposed right now due to poor leadership and decision making.

What's happening now is self inflicted.

darconio

I've been in Dublin cc on my lunch, the full xmas stampede was in action, most of the people enjoying their time without a care in the world. I'm sure the number of infected/dead will be unbearable in 2 weeks time, oh wait it's 2 weeks incubation only when convenient to backup the numbers, otherwise it may be variable.
And those masks are fundamental guys, it doesn't matter if you are wearing a piece of cloth on your chin and you keep touching it to pull it over your face, the fact that you have it, will give you immunity to anything, influenza is defeated and with that the sanity of the masses.
Enjoy your xmas, but not too much, it could be our last one

PTH2009

Whole thing is flawed if they just shut down the Hospitality industry and leave open the non essential retail/entertainment industry/places of worship etc

Don't Chute!

Took me 2 hours to get home from work today. Double the usual time with the traffic. Obviously lots of people heading down the country for Christmas and good luck to them. *Mod snip*

Boggles

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Took me 2 hours to get home from work today. Double the usual time with the traffic. Obviously lots of people heading down the country for Christmas and good luck to them. Tony can shove that up his arse. Nobody’s afraid of him anymore.

You mean they are complying with restrictions?

Rrrrrr2

weldoninhio wrote: »

I wonder how many late teens, early 20s take these polls??

None- the means of reaching out to people is stone age. How many of them would even answer a (mobile) phone let alone a landline (lol).
They communicate via Snapchat, Instagram and ones Ive never even heard of. That’s partly why opinion polling has become next to impossible

Rrrrrr2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whole thing is flawed if they just shut down the Hospitality industry and leave open the non essential retail/entertainment industry/places of worship etc

It’s political optics- “let’s be seen to be doing something”- it hasn’t been about a virus for a long time now

Mr rebel

So instead of controlled, staggered nights out over the festive period we will now have huge crowds all condensed into doing their socialising over Stephen’s night and the night after that before the big bad lockdown.....yeah, makes sense...

Captain_Crash

So the news is on in the background, and I’ve just heard it mentioned that road deaths are UP this year!! The restrictions have had an impact on all aspects of life, but I certainly expected road deaths to be down. Does this say anything about the effectiveness/compliance of restrictions at all and that people have not been restricting movement as much as we may believe?

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

Schools are open and so is health care.



Again "quiet" is relative. There is currently 55 people in UL on trolleys.

Screening is also back up and running.

Cancer services, dialysis, emergency and elective surgery all running.

Emergency departments are open as are clinics.

The damage is done. Services maybe be back running but it seems the fear messaging has been too effective and people are not availing of it. Something like 35% of people get cancer at some point. What are the survival rates like for those with delayed diagnosis and treatment? Significantly worse than survival rates for covid i'd imagine. It's not me saying this - plenty of articles and statements for cancer services etc.

suicide_circus

Captain_Crash wrote: »

So the news is on in the background, and I’ve just heard it mentioned that road deaths are UP this year!! The restrictions have had an impact on all aspects of life, but I certainly expected road deaths to be down. Does this say anything about the effectiveness/compliance of restrictions at all and that people have not been restricting movement as much as we may believe?

People flooring it on empty roads is my guess. I've noticed a big increase in speeding.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

The damage is done. Services maybe be back running but it seems the fear messaging has been too effective and people are not availing of it. Something like 35% of people get cancer at some point. What are the survival rates like for those with delayed diagnosis and treatment? Significantly worse than survival rates for covid i'd imagine. It's not me saying this - plenty of articles and statements for cancer services etc.

You are answering your own question.

Protecting non covid care, means protecting services like cancer treatment, screening, community health initiatives.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

You are answering your own question.

Protecting non covid care, means protecting services like cancer treatment, screening, community health initiatives.

So people are getting screened and treated and the statements from cancer services about lack of referrals are false?

MadYaker

Captain_Crash wrote: »

My post literally answered that! I believe it’s closer to 50/50 in real life but yes agree polls show 60/40!

However, we’re getting away from the point of my initial post! I was speaking of a hypothetical situation where “if” everyone opened tomorrow it’s an indication that the public want out, and it’s the governments job to acknowledge that should it happen and act accordingly.

What the people want doesn’t matter a jot. As evidenced by this thread most people have a poor understanding of what’s going on. It would take a northern Italy style disaster for them to learn.

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

So people are getting screened and treated and the statements from cancer services about lack of referrals are false?

I have no idea what you mean by lack of referrals, but you aware it's perfectly reasonable that both those scenarios you implied are true.

Duke of Url

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Today's preliminary figures show beyond doubt we have put ourselves in a bad situation. The positivity rate is now increasing somewhere between 0.3 and 0.7% per day.

Every day not taking action now worsens the pain in the new year and will have a retarding effect on getting numbers back stable. It will require ever tougher measures.

We are hopelessly exposed right now due to poor leadership and decision making.

What's happening now is self inflicted.

Who is we?

CruelSummer

So Day One of Restrictions on County travel being relaxed & we’ve Dr Holohan, Philip Nolan and Míchael Martin out threatening further restrictions and restaurant closures and the HSE declaring only meet people inside that you ‘trust with your life’.

Yet there are only 200 people in hospital with Covid currently thanks to everyone’s hard work. A restauranteur on the radio earlier said they’ve ordered in €30,000 worth of stock & are now faced with early closure. They need certainty NOW instead of this constant barrage of doom. Enough with the ‘Raise the worrymeter’ approach!!

Boggles

CruelSummer wrote: »

Yet there are only 200 people in hospital with Covid currently thanks to everyone’s hard work.

Their is a lot more to hospitals than Covid, our ICUs are 90% + full as of yesterdays report and the trolleys are starting to pile up.

Remember NPHET's remit is to protect non covid health care.

But I certainly agree with you, the cabinet should have met today.

It's like they are hoping things will change by Tuesday.

Captain_Crash

suicide_circus wrote: »

People flooring it on empty roads is my guess. I've noticed a big increase in speeding.

Actually yeah, that makes sense! I’ve noticed the same

Rrrrrr2

MadYaker wrote: »

What the people want doesn’t matter a jot. As evidenced by this thread most people have a poor understanding of what’s going on. It would take a northern Italy style disaster for them to learn.

Nah- I’m afraid it’s people like you that “don’t understand” and frankly never will. Human nature being what it is, people will only tolerate so much micro control- they’ve done/doing their own risk assessments, they see the “death” rates and on a psychological level have decided they either don’t care or conclude the risk is minimal- people like you will continue to finger wave and virtue signal but that’s par for the course really and isn’t going to impinge their choices greatly. No more than legal threats or policing have done either.
And if you knew anything about n Italy you’d know that was a very specific circumstances of very elderly people in a densely populated region woth a novel respiratory virus. But we won’t let that get in the way of the juicy stories of body bags and trucks piled up

Grandeeod

Boggles wrote: »

Their is a lot more to hospitals than Covid, our ICUs are 90% + full as of yesterdays report and the trolleys are starting to pile up.

Remember NPHET's remit is to protect non covid health care.

But I certainly agree with you, the cabinet should have met today.

It's like they are hoping things will change by Tuesday.

Things will change by Tuesday. 600+.

Captain_Crash

MadYaker wrote: »

What the people want doesn’t matter a jot.

Except what people want is literally the concept of democracy!

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

I have no idea what you mean by lack of referrals, but you aware it's perfectly reasonable that both those scenarios you implied are true.

GP referrals for people to be sent for cancer screening was down 60% in the UK, something similar here i think

Rrrrrr2

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Except what people want is literally the concept of democracy!

Particularly bizarre comment alright- “you’ll be told what’s good for you regardless of what you think”- shows the kind of mentality you are up against with these people- their paranoia is supposed to trump your free will and any freedom or ability to express it

MOH

Boggles wrote: »

NPHET take their remit from the government.

The Governments primary goals is to keep non covid health care and schools open and functioning, NPHET are charged with offering public health advice on how best to do that.

The Government would be calling their own bluff, essentially.

I agree with you in so far as one of the government's main goals seems to be keeping schools open, regardless of the opinion of people actually running those schools, or the cost to public health.

Unfortunately, the main goal should be the wellbeing of the country as a whole,and that's sadly far down the list.