Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

He wants people to be afraid...

And yet you can’t see any evidence of fear mongering...

And what exactly is the “right thing”?

facehugger99 wrote: »

I stupidly thought that Holohan and RTE would lay off the fear-mongering and hysteria for a week or so around Christmas and give people a break.

It doesn't affect me as I never watch RTE or listen to their radio stations but I know a lot of older people who get all their info. from RTE.

It really is disgraceful after 9 solid months of finger-wagging they have ramped up the hysteria just as people might finally get a chance to spend some time with family that they haven't seen in a long time.

Holohan and RTE should be ashamed of themselves.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why are hairdressers closing on the 24th?

It’s a police state now

FlubberJones wrote: »

Assume the gyms will be closed yet again... FFS

darconio wrote: »

They already have the story of the new strain up their sleeve, and several others ready to be brought up at the right moment.

They started something diabolical, if they stop it it will be like admitting that it was all out of proportion.
The vaccine is effective, but not so effective so hold your horses until we say so, and until we shift the goalpost.
Restrictions are here to stay but we will be at a stage than even a small allowance will be greeted like a victory. We will get a 2 hour slot in a pub and that will be the highlight of the night, travelling only if essential, mandatory vaccination, but covid-19 is the new antichrist and must be defeated at the expenses of our existence.
Who will be able to draw the line when we hit the next flu-season? who will be capable of separating the people dying from influenza or cardiovascular/respiratory disease from the people dying with covid? They implanted the fear of dying in the population anything resembling this virus will be treated like the plague.

Me too I really want to be wrong here, I really do ...

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

...and with straight faces, they'll accuse others of scaremongering. :rolleyes:

Dempo1

No messing around here, they've pretty much thought of every angle to avoid Traditional Christmas eve gatherings in pubs, Hotel bars, residents only. Odd decision re non essential retail, most closed after Christmas eve for a few days anyway.

I'll get hammered but what exactly has happened over the past two weeks???? Bedlam in shops, not terribly difficult to work out what's to blame.

Amirani

Lundstram wrote: »

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Already behind other nations.

Our lot more interested in closing down barbers but keeping Penney’s open for some strange reason.

You're not following this well. 10,000 doses will mean 10,000 vaccinated from first batch.

Amirani

Dempo1 wrote: »

No messing around here, they've pretty much thought of every angle to avoid Traditional Christmas eve gatherings in pubs, Hotel bars, residents only. Odd decision re non essential retail, most closed after Christmas eve for a few days anyway.

I'll get hammered but what exactly has happened over the past two weeks???? Bedlam in shops, not terribly difficult to work out what's to blame.

Allowing non-essential retail to remain open would suggests they think it's restaurants/gastropubs and home visits that are driving everything. Otherwise retail would be closed too.

dalyboy

Amirani wrote: »

You're not following this well. 10,000 doses will mean 10,000 vaccinated from first batch.

If people need 2 shots to be properly vaccinated then 10000 doses will result in 5000 people being vaccinated. No ?

Ginger n Lemon

2020 in a nutshell

"As ministers prepare to announce fresh anti-virus restrictions for the hospitality sector, representatives of the industry say they will accept a longer and deeper shutdown to keep infection rates dampened if the Government significantly beefs up taxpayer compensation paid to operators.

Restaurateurs and publicans are bracing this week for an expected further shutdown of the hospitality sector, which public health officials blame in part for causing a recent spike in infection rates, although they have yet to produce statistical evidence to illustrate how hospitality affects the spread.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/bars-and-restaurants-will-accept-longer-shutdown-if-state-raises-compensation-1.4443234

PTH2009

Farce

ElJeffe

Joke really. They haven't gone far enough

Amirani

dalyboy wrote: »

If people need 2 shots to be properly vaccinated then 10000 doses will result in 5000 people being vaccinated. No ?

No. The first batch of 10,000 will be given to 10,000 people. That cohort will then get their second dose from a future delivery.

average_runner

Lundstram wrote: »

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Already behind other nations.

Our lot more interested in closing down barbers but keeping Penney’s open for some strange reason.

Can you put up the link with 10,000. Be interesting to see how the number was arrived at. Is it to do with population?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

Nah that’s misleading.

Many are only looking for common sense.

The hysteria is those who want it abdicated because of a Winter cold

stateofflux

dalyboy wrote: »

You said you didn’t read any articles RE people falling dead and there was little coverage at the time.
It was constantly being covered on ALL media at the time.
The very essence of scaremongering.

I agree with this, there is no question the govt were feeding the media soundbites to ensure compliance via fear (which mostly worked)...if you stopped a hundred people on the street most would not even know of the Epidemiology reports available on the hspc website.

FintanMcluskey

murpho999 wrote: »

He's the Chief Medical Officer. A man of science . Highly qualified and hold a position of authority

I'd value his opinion more on medical issues more than internet posters, anti-maskers etc.

Questioning is fine but he's lookng at this from a medical point of view and economic, social interactions and pubs are different issues.

“Hold a position of authority”

How does he hold that?

Amirani

average_runner wrote: »

Can you put up the link with 10,000. Be interesting to see how the number was arrived at. Is it to do with population?

We're getting a bit more than 1% of the first EU delivery, in-line with our population.

weldoninhio

Amirani wrote: »

You're not following this well. 10,000 doses will mean 10,000 vaccinated from first batch.

You need 2 jabs to be vaccinated, so we'll either have 5000 vaccinated or none.

Boggles

Lundstram wrote: »

Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday, Ireland will give its first on New Year’s Eve. A pathetic 10,000 doses in the first batch which will mean 5,000 will be done.

Really, before it was approved?

Have you a link to that news article, would like to read it.

average_runner

Amirani wrote: »

We're getting a bit more than 1% of the first EU delivery, in-line with our population.

So that is fair enough way in doing it. EU controlling the supply?

PTH2009

Just dont know anymore

weldoninhio

Boggles wrote: »

Really, before it was approved?

Have you a link to that news article, would like to read it.

Was approved a few days ago. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1221/1185803-vaccine-authorisation/

Amirani

weldoninhio wrote: »

You need 2 jabs to be vaccinated, so we'll either have 5000 vaccinated or none.

No, we'll have 10,000 vaccinated with a single dose.

Many vaccines require 2 doses. You've still be vaccinated if you've just had 1 dose, you just won't have the same level of protection; though indications are that you'd still have quite a good level of protection from 1 dose of BNT162b2.

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

Was approved a few days ago. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1221/1185803-vaccine-authorisation/

It was approved yesterday (Monday) according to that.

SouthWesterly

FlubberJones wrote: »

Assume the gyms will be closed yet again... FFS

Nope, hair dressers are deemed a bigger risk than a room full of sweaty heavy breathers.

FlubberJones

Gym and non essential shops open, finally some sort of plan around the lockdown rather than the previous one size fits all.
But visiting houses, boozers or restaurants a no no, oh well its beers at home with my partner.

Crack open the bubbly and the zoom sessions, enjoy your Christmas .

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

“Many people are alive today because of our actions” “we have the lowest death rate in Europe due to our actions”

No Micheál, the age profile of the nation is the reason, not the restrictions

All age profile

average_runner

Come the end of April we should be in a better place. Maybe level 2 and by June no levels.


There is light at the end of the tunnel and we will get there.


For now, have a safe xmas all, no matter what side of the table ye are on for this debate.

landofthetree

Is there any evidence that hairdressers/barbers are major spreaders of Covid?

TomSweeney

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

There are a certain cohort of people who are anti restrictions and are genuine loons, and there are a certain cohort of people on the other side of the argument only too happy to lump everyone who isn't 100% behind the current approach in with them. The fact there are basically two threads on this site to discuss the same thing says a lot, there isn't much room for nuance or middle ground. I've found the absolute fúcking hysteria of the last two days a bit much but I'm not against reintroduction of restrictions either (there is a debate to be had about how much and for how long). We knew cases would go back up, here we are, it's not the end of the fúcking world.

Again the biggest problem with this is they are using cases as metrics, they should be using ICU capacity as a metric.
Also, have they made ANY effort to increase this in the 10 months since we knew this virus would be an issue ?

If they have €800M for PUP surely they could allocate some money to the health service.

average_runner

landofthetree wrote: »

Is there any evidence that hairdressers/barbers are major spreaders of Covid?

They have no evidence on how the increase happened from Level 5 to Level 3.


Twice they opened the restaurants and the barbers and cases went up. It might not be related to them, but something caused it

weldoninhio

Boggles wrote: »

It was approved yesterday (Monday) according to that.

And if "Portugal begin vaccinating on Sunday", that'll be 6 days after approval. As per the link. They aren't approving it next Monday. But tenses can be hard.