Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course hygiene is suffering. People get lazy working from home and don’t bother grooming as much when they never leave the house.

Hairdressers were forced the close for very long periods.

People couldn’t purchase much needed new clothing as it was forbidden for very long periods.

People couldn’t purchase new bedsheets etc.

More suffering and health impacts caused by lockdowns that you support.

Also people being smelly could be a sign of increased depression, not looking after themselves.

Kermit.de.frog

Situation in Ireland deteriorating faster than any other place in Europe according to the HSE. They are describing the situation as now dangerous. Delay in introducing the new restrictions is just not the right policy for what we need.

Meanwhile UK has extended regions under tier 4 of their restrictions and have also announced the detection of another new strain in 2 cases originated in South Africa.

normanoffside

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Situation in Ireland deteriorating faster than any other place in Europe according to the HSE. They are describing the situation as now dangerous. Delay in introducing the new restrictions is just not the right policy for what we need.

Meanwhile UK has extended regions under tier 4 of their restrictions and have also announced the detection of another new strain in 2 cases originated in South Africa.

This is the relaxation of restrictions thread.

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

Less of the insults as well, please.

You weren't insulted, so less of the lies, please.

Micky 32

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Situation in Ireland deteriorating faster than any other place in Europe according to the HSE. They are describing the situation as now dangerous. Delay in introducing the new restrictions is just not the right policy for what we need.

Meanwhile UK has extended regions under tier 4 of their restrictions and have also announced the detection of another new strain in 2 cases originated in South Africa.

Great dramatics there Kermit. We had 1500 cases a day a couple months back and when level 5 kicked in they dropped quickly. The new strain in SA is old news.

acequion

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Situation in Ireland deteriorating faster than any other place in Europe according to the HSE. They are describing the situation as now dangerous. Delay in introducing the new restrictions is just not the right policy for what we need.

Meanwhile UK has extended regions under tier 4 of their restrictions and have also announced the detection of another new strain in 2 cases originated in South Africa.

According to the HSE! You mean that excellent bastion of Irish officialdom who get everything right!!! :rolleyes: Not.

And what evidence is being used to back up that claim?? Do please link it if it exists.

Kermit.de.frog

acequion wrote: »

According to the HSE! You mean that excellent bastion of Irish officialdom who get everything right!!! :rolleyes: Not.

And what evidence is being used to back up that claim?? Do please link it if it exists.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1223/1186164-hse-covid-virus/

Boggles

Micky 32 wrote: »

Also people being smelly could be a sign of increased depression, not looking after themselves.

People living with depression are smelly?

I think the thread has peaked.

acequion

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1223/1186164-hse-covid-virus/

So Dr Henry of the HSE says. But still no official evidence to back up this claim. Like so much we hear from the HSE and NPHET. Unsubstantiated opinions. Which so many of our supposedly well educated, critically thinking population just swallow at face value. Shur if it's the HSE they can't be wrong :rolleyes:

acequion

Boggles wrote: »

People living with depression are smelly?

I think the thread has peaked.

Why don't you go and read up about depression and about how depressed individuals behave before you go making such a horrendously ignorant remark.

normanoffside

acequion wrote: »

So Dr Henry of the HSE says. But still no official evidence to back up this claim. Like so much we hear from the HSE and NPHET. Unsubstantiated opinions. Which so many of our supposedly well educated, critically thinking population just swallow at face value. Shur if it's the HSE they can't be wrong :rolleyes:

When the case numbers start evening off over the next few days they'll call it anticipatory behaviour again.
The reality is a lot of people have been getting tested before heading home for Christmas and they won't be bothered going for tests as much over the actual holidays.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

You weren't insulted, so less of the lies, please.

Nice of you to tell others how they can and can not interpret another's words.

Telling someone to get down off their high horse is an idiom, used instead of calling somebody arrogant or holier-than-thou. That's an insult in my book, all day long, but sure you know better than that. Tell me, then, how did I receive it if not as an insult?

Boggles

acequion wrote: »

Why don't you go and read up about depression and about how depressed individuals behave before you go making such a horrendously ignorant remark.

I don't need to.

People living with depression are not smelly.

I can't believe I had to type that sentence.

Micky 32

Boggles wrote: »

People living with depression are smelly?

I think the thread has peaked.

No it just shows how clueless you are. It’s a known fact that people who get depressed tend to lack personal hygiene, go educate yourself.

TomTomTim

Boggles wrote: »

I don't need to.

People living with depression are not smelly.

I can't believe I had to type that sentence.

I swear, you play an act half of the time. It's well known that certain people get so depressed to the point of not washing themselves.

acequion

Boggles wrote: »

I don't need to.

People living with depression are not smelly.

I can't believe I had to type that sentence.

And I can't believe how utterly ignorant of the symptoms of depression you are and you're only making a fool of yourself making arrogant retorts.

Go read up about depression! Google something basic like "depression and self care". Anyone who knows anything about depression and you clearly don't, know that a lack of self care is a major indicator.

Have some compassion for god's sake :mad:

Micky 32

acequion wrote: »

Have some compassion for god's sake :mad:

Unfortunately we are dealing with a cohort on here that lack any compassion, knowledge and any sort of empathy.

MOH

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Situation in Ireland deteriorating faster than any other place in Europe according to the HSE. They are describing the situation as now dangerous. Delay in introducing the new restrictions is just not the right policy for what we need.

Meanwhile UK has extended regions under tier 4 of their restrictions and have also announced the detection of another new strain in 2 cases originated in South Africa.

Weren't the HSE telling us a few days ago we were the best in Europe?
I can't keep up

Mean Laqueefa

Boggles wrote: »

People living with depression are smelly?

I think the thread has peaked.

iHave worked in various roles in healthcare within the uk for over ten years till i moved home , have sat in on clinical psychologists and various doctors briefings and meetings, not looking after your appererance is a sign of depression according to everything ive listened to and watched doctors talk about

acequion

acequion wrote: »

Why don't you go and read up about depression and about how depressed individuals behave before you go making such a horrendously ignorant remark.

I honestly couldn't believe it when I read it, you could say my mind boggled.

It's eye-opening how out of touch some people are, yet speak as if they know everything.

end of the road

Micky 32 wrote: »

No it just shows how clueless you are. It’s a known fact that people who get depressed tend to lack personal hygiene, go educate yourself.

some can, yes.
that's not what the post that started this line of conversation off that boggles replied to said, however.
so boggles was correct in his statement.
if i'm honest a number of the people ranting about his post are engaging in fo-outrage which is just as insulting to sufferers of depression as they claim boggle's post is, i would suspect.

MOH

MOH wrote: »

Weren't the HSE telling us a few days ago we were the best in Europe?
I can't keep up

I can't keep up either. Literally on Friday there was an interview with Stephen Donnelly and he said we were the best in Europe. So surely that message makes people feel reassured. Coupled with a further relaxation of levels on 18th December.....the very same day....naturally people are going to go shopping and out to restaurants. Suddenly on Monday the brakes go on , we don't just stop ...we go into reverse!!!
And guess what? We all get blamed again . Its all our fault for shopping and socialising..... the very things we were told we could do on Friday. Media are all over it talking about video clips their listeners are posting in, shaming and blaming everyone. Media slating government for not acting quickly enough when the week before they were saying our restrictions were too tough.

Over and over we try and keep up, follow the latest guidelines according to NPHET, Paul Reid and whatever level we are in. We socialise and shop when we are told we can (its not against the law) . But every single time things go wrong the finger is pointed at the public.

No wonder people are confused, upset and fed up. Maybe it would be best to just exterminate us all.

_Kaiser_

acequion wrote: »

So Dr Henry of the HSE says. But still no official evidence to back up this claim. Like so much we hear from the HSE and NPHET. Unsubstantiated opinions. Which so many of our supposedly well educated, critically thinking population just swallow at face value. Shur if it's the HSE they can't be wrong :rolleyes:

Here's the key point...

HSE Chief Executive Officer Paul Reid has said transmission levels of Covid-19 are "very serious and dangerous".

Mr Reid said the HSE has as many concerns now as it did in the first phase and it is concerned about the potential impact on the health services.

Translation: They're once again terrified that even a moderate increase in demand for health services will collapse the whole thing and expose the result of years of waste and incompetence they've overseen.

acequion

end of the road wrote: »

some can, yes.
that's not what the post that started this line of conversation off that boggles replied to said, however.
so boggles was correct in his statement, and the people ranting about it are the ones engaging in fo-outrage which is just as insulting to sufferers of depression then they claim boggle's post is, i would suspect.

Some of you just can't resist the arrogant retorts and the rushing to back slap each other regardless how wrong you are.

Boggles is correct in NOTHING. He /She posted a link from an article about people being smelly. That's fair enough. But then a poster insightfully posted that people being smelly could well be due to depression. An undisputable fact. But Boggles hadn't the sense to leave well alone. Nor you either by the sounds of it. And now accusing people of faux outrage. What do you expect?? This is a public Internet forum and anyone who posts something crazy/ridiculous/outrageous will get taken to task.

Or are you just looking for a row???

MOH

MOH wrote: »

I'm very confused as to how this new strain of Covid from the UK is supposed to be spreading here.

Have we not been repeatedly told that travel is only responsible for a miniscule number of cases?

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Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Unfortunately we are dealing with a cohort on here that lack any compassion, knowledge and any sort of empathy.

Here, one of the biggest 'pro lockdowners' and less-empathetic posters in this thread built a new house in 2020 on land that was gifted to him within the family. Spends a lot of his time playing video games too. I wish that poster the best and fair play to them, but we are certainly not all in this together. And as such, personal circumstances will greatly affect an individual's opinion on the relaxation of restrictions.

There are a lot of people whose lives are genuinely better due to lockdown and WFH from conditions. These people should be allowed to say this in a debate without being considered selfish demons and scourges...once they acknowledge that not everyone is in that same improved situation. Goodness knows that such people spent enough of their lives stuck on congested roads as they commuted to a job that they mainly use to pay for houses they get to spend fúck-all hours in and childcare for kids they don't get to see enough of.

Empathy works both ways. Personally, I've been shat on in 2020 and 2021 isn't looking much better, but I don't begrudge those who got a welcome bit of relief as a result of the pandemic.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't keep up either. Literally on Friday there was an interview with Stephen Donnelly and he said we were the best in Europe. So surely that message makes people feel reassured. Coupled with a further relaxation of levels on 18th December.....the very same day....naturally people are going to go shopping and out to restaurants. Suddenly on Monday the brakes go on , we don't just stop ...we go into reverse!!!
And guess what? We all get blamed again . Its all our fault for shopping and socialising..... the very things we were told we could do on Friday. Media are all over it talking about video clips their listeners are posting in, shaming and blaming everyone. Media slating government for not acting quickly enough when the week before they were saying our restrictions were too tough.

Over and over we try and keep up, follow the latest guidelines according to NPHET, Paul Reid and whatever level we are in. We socialise and shop when we are told we can (its not against the law) . But every single time things go wrong the finger is pointed at the public.

No wonder people are confused, upset and fed up. Maybe it would be best to just exterminate us all.

it's very simple to keep up with.
we had restrictions and cases went down.
we removed restrictions because cases were low, and people ran a muck.
a minority of people yes, but enough to cause case numbers to go up again and not simply go up a bit which would happen when any level 5 restrictions would be removed, but boomed to a ridiculous level quite quickly meaning things will be ruined for the rest of us, as per.
the rest of us managed to do shopping and things we needed to do without losing the run of ourselves.
it wasn't nphet or the government's fault that the muppetry happened at that funeral in wexford, for example.

so we were doing well, and a few ruined it, so yeah they should be blamed.

acequion

A few pages back I asked posters to share their experiences of so called "covidiots" these supposedly dreadfully "selfish" people who the pro lockdowners love to demonise. I've not come across one such person and am convinced they are very much in the minority and nowhere near enough to cause significant spikes. I remember McConkey at the start of all this saying we'd need about 80% buy in for restrictions to work. I have witnessed absolutely no reason to suggest that 80% buy in of at least the basic and reasonable restrictions is not there. If anything a lot of people are quite zealous.

I'm just so sick of seeing ordinary people being blamed, demonised and scapegoated for the failures of our so called leaders to manage this thing correctly and to actually "live with Covid."

end of the road

we are living with covid, living with covid i'm afraid means restrictions and the odd lock down.
if one genuinely thought living with covid was throwing open the doors and social distancing and washing hands they were in for a big shock.

acequion

end of the road wrote: »

we are living with covid, living with covid i'm afraid means restrictions and the odd lock down.
if one genuinely thought living with covid was throwing open the doors and social distancing and washing hands they were in for a big shock.

I've not come across anybody on this thread suggesting that either. Why is everything black and white with some of you?

Restrictions are necessary and some closures are too. But it's the total lack of any imagination, any creativity, any balance and just wholescale national lockdowns at the drop of a hat that is the problem.