Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

JRant

Gael23 wrote: »

Fauci saying we need restrictions until October next year

I think we'll be getting them whether we need them or not until the end of next year if we're lucky.

Gael23

JRant wrote: »

I think we'll be getting them whether we need them or not until the end of next year if we're lucky.

Based on what?

JRant

Gael23 wrote: »

Based on what?

Based on everything we've seen this past couple of months. Our default position seems to be, do not pass go, do not collect €200, go straight to lockdown.

Gael23

As I mentioned before o think the government will be pressurised to override NPHET when other European countries open quicker

GiftofGab

Does anybody know what time the bars/restaurants will close at tomorrow??

Captain_Crash

GiftofGab wrote: »

Does anybody know what time the bars/restaurants will close at tomorrow??

3pm..... now if your a local you may not be kicked out quite so quick, but officially it’s 15:00!

chicorytip

No guidelines have been issued regarding outdoor exercise similar to those during the previous Level 5 period. Should we walk/jog or cycle no further than 5km from our own doorsteps?

Penfailed

Gael23 wrote: »

As I mentioned before o think the government will be pressurised to override NPHET when other European countries open quicker

Like what happened last summer?

end of the road

Gael23 wrote: »

As I mentioned before o think the government will be pressurised to override NPHET when other European countries open quicker

they may be so but it will make no difference in reality.
the government have found out on a number of occasions now where they have dilly dallied that nphet were correct on their advice.
if european countries open up and spread is high then we will likely wait, if it's low and remains low then nphet will give the go ahead for reopening, all be it i suspect the various legislations allowing restrictions will remain for a while in case they need to be reimplemented.

end of the road

facehugger99 wrote: »

Holohan is a pathetic chicken-,licken, squawking about the sky falling based on 'cases' of people who would be unaware they have Covid, were it not for a test.

Meanwhile there are a couple of dozen in ICU and this is falling.

That our elected Government repeatedly kowtow to this zealot, is shameful.

In any other country he would have been drummed out of his position years ago.

incorrect, he is a medical expert charged with dealing with the management of covid 19, who provides advice based on all of the available models and data to the government who then make decisions.
every other western country has a tony h also who work along the same lines, all be it they are less publically available to discuss the issue and answer questions.

Penfailed wrote: »

There is though. Counties with less than five cases shouldn't have the same restrictions placed upon them as counties with greater than fifty cases.

theoretically i would agree but in practice it's extremely difficult to make it work due to travel patterns and activities that take place across county borders.
certainly it would be great if it could be got to work but i just can't see it being possible.
the lock downs in laois and offally were successful granted but while kildare's cases went down also there was travel from there to dublin which didn't help matters in dublin i suspect.
even the uk's tier system which is on a basic level about implementing the same process is failing to deliver.
unfortunate but hay ho i guess.

Government buildings wrote: »

We were told that the first strain was deadly. Now we hear that this new strain is 70° worse. So does that mean the first strain wasn't as bad as they said?

it doesn't, no .
remember, the reason you aren't seeing the large scale deaths is due to virus suppression methods.
if there were no virus suppression measures then we would be seeing what the first strain is really capable of, and the same with the new strain.

Balmed Out

3 pm

Silentcorner

JRant wrote: »

I think we'll be getting them whether we need them or not until the end of next year if we're lucky.

I don't think they ever intend on returning to normal....there is no evidence of it.

I am well aware that in some cases it can be a very nasty infection, to many not so much.

I can't understand the need for pumping fear into the population every day, in a seriously dangerous pandemic they wouldn't need to...if it was serious they'd be trying to calm us down.

I can't understand why we focus on vaccines and don't even consider therapeutics or even good diet.

I can't understand why we are still using PCR testing knowing how inaccurate they are.

Rapid testing and temperature checks would have the same affect and would allow a somewhat return to normal.

The only world leader talking about a return to normal was just voted out of office....make's you wonder.

Gael23

end of the road wrote: »

they may be so but it will make no difference in reality.
the government have found out on a number of occasions now where they have dilly dallied that nphet were correct on their advice.
if european countries open up and spread is high then we will likely wait, if it's low and remains low then nphet will give the go ahead for reopening, all be it i suspect the various legislations allowing restrictions will remain for a while in case they need to be reimplemented.

Is it not all about hospitals? Once those at risk of severe illness are vaccinated then there’s no strain in healthcare

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

every other western country has a tony h also who work along the same lines, all be it they are less publically available to discuss the issue and answer questions.
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I think one of the biggest mistakes of this whole thing was to give NPHET a public platform. The division and the debate shouldn’t be out in the open.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

I think one of the biggest mistakes of this whole thing was to give NPHET a public platform. The division and the debate shouldn’t be out in the open.

The warning issued about passing the gravy on Xmas day should of been the point where people started to wake up from this nonsense...have they started to clamp down on parents hugging their kids goodnight yet?

RobitTV

April 18th: Dr Tony Holohan: 'We think we've flattened that curve so much that there is no peak'

In a statement, Dr Tony Holohan, the Chief Medical Officer, said: “This past week has proven that the nation is working hard, together, by staying at home to flatten the curve.”

“We are beginning to see encouraging signs in our efforts to flatten the curve. However, we cannot become complacent.”

We have achieved the objective, congratulations everyone.

vafankillar

it's a bit of a joke that dublin bus will be reduced to 25% capacity (17 people) on each bus considering most retail is open, along with gyms, schools and lots of other work. how are people supposed to get around, even during the last level 5 which was less open it was hell trying to get onto a bus

Dickie10

Its going to be very hard to prise NYPHET from power now, the medics of course want mask wearing forever more and only drink in restauant and cafe style bars forever more we know that the last 20 years. Once all over 70s and nurseing homes are done then restrictions should be gone which they will, too much pressure from other european countries, sports bodies etc. Can u imagine euro 2021 matches in dublin with stadia not letting crowds in ,and every other city in europe hosting max capacity , anyone who thinks bars and restauraunts wont b in full swing for these games in mid june is on another planet.

daydorunrun

chicorytip wrote: »

No guidelines have been issued regarding outdoor exercise similar to those during the previous Level 5 period. Should we walk/jog or cycle no further than 5km from our own doorsteps?

hopefully common sense has prevailed and the nonsense of that 5k bull**** has been forever dispensed with.

JRant

daydorunrun wrote: »

hopefully common sense has prevailed and the nonsense of that 5k bull**** has been forever dispensed with.

You know what they say about common sense, it's not so common.

Elmer Blooker

Captain_Crash wrote: »

3pm..... now if your a local you may not be kicked out quite so quick, but officially it’s 15:00!

Yes, but its worth keeping in mind that the experts know that this deadly virus will get even deadlier at 3.05 tomorrow.

acequion

Dickie10 wrote: »

Its going to be very hard to prise NYPHET from power now, the medics of course want mask wearing forever more and only drink in restauant and cafe style bars forever more we know that the last 20 years. Once all over 70s and nurseing homes are done then restrictions should be gone which they will, too much pressure from other european countries, sports bodies etc. Can u imagine euro 2021 matches in dublin with stadia not letting crowds in ,and every other city in europe hosting max capacity , anyone who thinks bars and restauraunts wont b in full swing for these games in mid june is on another planet.

Maybe it's optimism but I tend to agree. Also, these lockdowns aren't economically sustainable.

All the Govt want is to tick boxes and they'll always tick the safest one. So once they've got the main bulk of the vulnerable vaccinated they'll tick that box and that should be that. They only care about not overwhelming their useless health service and that danger should be considerably reduced at that point. It's also a lot less of a headache for them to have the economy functioning and they also know full well that these lockdowns come with a hefty price tag.

Dickie10

acequion wrote: »

Maybe it's optimism but I tend to agree. Also, these lockdowns aren't economically sustainable.

All the Govt want is to tick boxes and they'll always tick the safest one. So once they've got the main bulk of the vulnerable vaccinated they'll tick that box and that should be that. They only care about not overwhelming their useless health service and that danger should be considerably reduced at that point. It's also a lot less of a headache for them to have the economy functioning and they also know full well that these lockdowns come with a hefty price tag.

there will be much hand wringing, knashing of teeth and being gravely concerned come easter this year when the counties about to go looper and tony,sam and the rest are holding on for dear life. I expect RTE to go hysterical with case numbers without a word on those in hospital or ICU. they may begin to come out with terms such as "suspected Covid cases" then I really wouldnt put it past them.

josip

Will restaurants still be open for takeaway after 3pm?
Specifically, will the McDonalds 'restaurant' in Longford be open at 7pm when we're passing by

acequion

josip wrote: »

Will restaurants still be open for takeaway after 3pm?
Specifically, will the McDonalds 'restaurant' in Longford be open at 7pm when we're passing by

I rang one of my favourite restaurants as we always get take away on Christmas Eve. They couldn't tell me straight if they would definitely be doing them after 3pm because they haven't been given clear directives. And same story re a take away service after xmas.

It really is scandalous how that whole industry has been treated.:mad:

uli84

Total Overreaction again..

Penfailed

end of the road wrote: »

theoretically i would agree but in practice it's extremely difficult to make it work due to travel patterns and activities that take place across county borders.
certainly it would be great if it could be got to work but i just can't see it being possible.
the lock downs in laois and offally were successful granted but while kildare's cases went down also there was travel from there to dublin which didn't help matters in dublin i suspect.

So, theoretically you agree but think it's too difficult to make it work...and then agree that it actually did work in Laois, Offaly and Kildare. Okay.

I wouldn't take to much notice of Tony and his integrity. The role of a clinician is to at best treat and cure the patient. Doctors have an obligation to do this, they are not obligated to lie or withhold information that can cost lives...

In the 19th century we had clear and clean water, in the 21st, we cannot get clean and clear answers and facts from the experts!! Cutting down bus capacity is a tacit form of suppression, not of the virus, but of freedom of movement.
I mean at the very least why aren't all the motorists due a huge rebate for paying car tax to drive on roads they cannot use? what a fecking swindle that is eh...

I tell you, if t his is some push to generate a flood for the vaccine they are going the wrong way about it, no "CONDITIONAL" vaccine will be goin in my arm. If you think that the pharma companies will submit the rest of their data retrospectively after a few cases of bells palsy in the Vaccinated group of the trials and many with allergic reactions, you can think again. They've billions so it aint happening.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/080816/pfizer-7-secrets-you-didnt-know-pfe.asp

https://www.worldpress.org/Africa/1190.cfm

JRant

Dickie10 wrote: »

there will be much hand wringing, knashing of teeth and being gravely concerned come easter this year when the counties about to go looper and tony,sam and the rest are holding on for dear life. I expect RTE to go hysterical with case numbers without a word on those in hospital or ICU. they may begin to come out with terms such as "suspected Covid cases" then I really wouldnt put it past them.

RTE has already gone into misery porn overload. They are already declaring this new strain as more contagious and deadly than the existing strain, without a shred of evidence. Nolan on the radio now telling people to more or less stay away from each other, limit the time in others homes, wear a mask, and open all the windows. I'll be taking a hard pass on those thank you very much. He's more or less saying he wants to completely lockdown everything but is "optimistic" people can prove him wrong. How exactly is that possible when NPHET are going to have everything shutdown on Jan 2nd.

The way they are going on now is that they are doing us a favour by allowing people see each other at Christmas. The arrogance is a sight to behold.

Piehead

Schools need to remain closed until at least Easter