Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

foxyladyxx

Nuts102 wrote: »

Never watch Rte but in the parents today

The headline

2 deaths
1025 cases
25 ICU

How anyone can tell me that they are not trying to scare people why would you put the total ICU cases into a headline with the daily cases

Parents think the world is ending

Some joke

The numbers in ICU are falling yet we have to endure another lockdown for 6 to 8 months!!

This country is a joke!!

Gael23

Are there exceptions for funeral numbers where very large families are concerned.

A family friend lost her mother this morning. She has 14 siblings so it would be impossible to pick 5 not to attend their mothers funeral surely

Beasty

Gael23 wrote: »

Are there exceptions for funeral numbers where very large families are concerned.

A family friend lost her minute this morning. She has 14 siblings so it would be impossible to pick 5 not to attend their mothers funeral surely

No there are no exceptions

bb1234567

Gael23 wrote: »

Are there exceptions for funeral numbers where very large families are concerned.

A family friend lost her minute this morning. She has 14 siblings so it would be impossible to pick 5 not to attend their mothers funeral surely

I'm sure the entire country unanimously would agree a human right to attend a funeral of your mother is more important than any COVID restriction. It makes me sad to hear that anyone would even consider the thought of not attending their own mother's funeral because of arbitrary government guidelines and poorly enforced rules which are often broke by many brazen people for much less valid or justified reasons. My reaction to anybody patronising me about COVID rules after my mum had just died would not be a pretty sight. COVID would be the very last thing on my mind after my mum died. Can understand keeping funerals small, but immediate family missing it is completely inhumane.

bb1234567

Silentcorner wrote: »

The ICU rates, which are the only rates which matter really, have been stable for months now, before the last lockdown, through the last lockdown and currently.

We are being taken for a ride.

We apparently have a new strain, much more transmittable then the previous strain...which we couldn't contain, so we are locking down again...

The ICU rates will drop after the flu season around mid february, vaccine or no vaccine, until then our everyday liberties will be traded with us like we are children.

There are elderly people in this country who spent Christmas day alone out of nothing but fear, it is a disgrace.

Have to be taking the pish are ya? So it's under control(as evidence by the lowe number in ICU) but it's also not under control?

_Kaiser_

bb1234567 wrote: »

Have to be taking the pish are ya? So it's under control(as evidence by the lowe number in ICU) but it's also not under control?

Number of cases mean nothing.. It's the OUTCOME of cases that is the important metric (I'm thinking of adding this to my signature at this stage!)

Regardless of how many cases there are daily, the numbers in ICU have remained consistent and low, with the daily reported deaths even lower. Taken in the context of a population of 5 million people, 10 months into this situation, and where many of these "cases" are people who have to be tested and told that have it before they realise it, and where the vast majority of others recover just fine, then the REAL level of risk and threat is actually pretty low in Ireland.

That's not to say that there aren't people who ARE vulnerable to CV-19 and these are at real risk of serious illness or death, but those are generally in a known demographic and vulnerable to a host of other diseases because of their preconditions or age, and should be taking appropriate steps to protect themselves regardless.
Also there is the unfortunate but unavoidable truth that these are the people who are also most likely to die - especially at this time of year - and we must remember that this happened and will continue to happen regardless of CV-19.

The only thing we are doing with the extreme reactions to these cases (lockdowns and restrictions) is protecting the HSE's ability to respond to the needs of the latter group, and the reason that ability is a problem is because of decades of waste, mismanagement, and incompetence in the management and provision of those services. We are also protecting a weak ineffective group of politicians who are terrified they will be held to account for something (which is also a situation that existed long before CV-19).

However the fall-out from this situation is a lot more serious than the obsession over "new cases" as these measures are dramatically and negatively affecting people's lives and livelihoods, and it's hugely inflated the national sport of envying or complaining about what the neighbours are doing - something that is causing real divisions in friendships and communities, which added to the above factors is far more concerning for the longer term health of the country.

Piehead

Silentcorner wrote: »

The ICU rates, which are the only rates which matter really, have been stable for months now, before the last lockdown, through the last lockdown and currently.

We are being taken for a ride.

We apparently have a new strain, much more transmittable then the previous strain...which we couldn't contain, so we are locking down again...

The ICU rates will drop after the flu season around mid february, vaccine or no vaccine, until then our everyday liberties will be traded with us like we are children.

There are elderly people in this country who spent Christmas day alone out of nothing but fear, it is a disgrace.

You will have half the country killed with an attitude like that. Schools should stay closed until after Easter at the earliest.

Happydays2020

Piehead wrote: »

You will have half the country killed with an attitude like that. Schools should stay closed until after Easter at the earliest.

Are you really suggesting that schools should not reopen?

_Kaiser_

Piehead wrote: »

You will have half the country killed with an attitude like that. Schools should stay closed until after Easter at the earliest.

Half the country killed? Exaggeration much?

Look back over the last quarter with schools open and increasing cases. They just aren't translating into a corresponding surge in serious illness or death. Those are the facts and reality of the situation.

This disease just isn't dangerous to the vast majority of the population in this country and this is an extremely good thing! What we've done is put the needs of the vulnerable few (statistically) ahead of that majority, and - as I referred to above - to protect the positions of health service officials and politicians.

The only thing closing schools until Easter as you suggest will achieve is putting more people out of work and threaten the future of their employers.

Piehead

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Half the country killed? Exaggeration much?

Look back over the last quarter with schools open and increasing cases. They just aren't translating into a corresponding surge in serious illness or death. Those are the facts and reality of the situation.

This disease just isn't dangerous to the vast majority of the population in this country and this is an extremely good thing! What we've done is put the needs of the vulnerable few (statistically) ahead of that majority, and - as I referred to above - to protect the positions of health service officials and politicians.

The only thing closing schools until Easter as you suggest will achieve is putting more people out of work and threaten the future of their employers.

Look at the UK deaths.

_Kaiser_

Piehead wrote: »

Look at the UK deaths.

What's your point? I do hate these one liner answers when I take the time to properly respond in the first place.

And this is Ireland, not the UK or America or anywhere else. Feel free to counter my argument in that context.

mike8634

Piehead wrote: »

Look at the UK deaths.

What are we looking at?

They had 60,000 excess deaths between Mar 20 - May 20

Its now back to normal after Jun 20 when the pandemic died off, look at the numbers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1115077/monthly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111804/weekly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

_Kaiser_

mike8634 wrote: »

What are we looking at?

They had 60,000 excess deaths between Mar 20 - May 20

Its now back to normal after Jun 20 when the pandemic died off, look at the numbers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1115077/monthly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111804/weekly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

The problem Mike is people AREN'T looking at the numbers, otherwise they'd see the facts they contain.

Instead they're relying on media personalities and selected "experts" to explain it for them, and it's apparently not occurring to them to ask why, if things are so bad, we HAVEN'T seen the hospitals swamped with ICU cases and why we HAVEN'T seen dozens or even hundreds of deaths every day.

It should be obvious that something doesn't add up, but unfortunately many think only in headlines and twitter posts (another problem long before but magnified by CV-19) and don't bother delving any deeper than that.

Piehead

mike8634 wrote: »

What are we looking at?

They had 60,000 excess deaths between Mar 20 - May 20

Its now back to normal after Jun 20 when the pandemic died off, look at the numbers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1115077/monthly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111804/weekly-deaths-in-england-and-wales/

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Would you like the same rates of death here?

mike8634

Piehead wrote: »

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Would you like the same rates of death here?

Which is?

Dec 19 had similar death rates

Old people die in winter

Stop with the one liners btw, your not Elon Musk

Piehead

mike8634 wrote: »

Which is?

Dec 19 had similar death rates

Old people die in winter

Stop with the one liners btw, your not Elon Musk

COVID death rates per govt stats

Lundstram

You cannot leave your county after midnight tonight. Pubs and Restaurants closed. Barbers closed, disgracefully I might add. Can't go to mass, funerals, play sport. Debt increasing monumentally every week. PUP recipients rising. Suicides rising, mental health of many suffering, quietly. Damaging our youth. Can't attend college even after Harris promised they could for second term.

All for this..

Piehead

Lundstram wrote: »

You cannot leave your county after midnight tonight. Pubs and Restaurants closed. Barbers closed, disgracefully I might add. Can't go to mass, funerals, play sport. Debt increasing monumentally every week. PUP recipients rising. Suicides rising, mental health of many suffering, quietly. Damaging our youth. Can't attend college even after Harris promised they could for second term.

All for this..

Schools should also remain closed post Xmas holidays

Jinglejangle69

Piehead wrote: »

Schools should also remain closed post Xmas holidays

Why?

Piehead

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why?

Drive down the virus rates

Lundstram

Piehead wrote: »

Schools should also remain closed post Xmas holidays

Good idea, lets totally fcuk up our youth. Leave them alone and let them have some semblance of normality.

As already pointed out, you're a great man for the one liners. Zero substance to any of your posts. What's the point of you posting at all?

Jinglejangle69

Piehead wrote: »

Drive down the virus rates

So does locking ourselves indoors.

Do you want that too?

Piehead

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So does locking ourselves indoors.

Do you want that too?

Appropriate restrictions are needed

Piehead

Lundstram wrote: »

Good idea, lets totally fcuk up our youth. Leave them alone and let them have some semblance of normality.

As already pointed out, you're a great man for the one liners. Zero substance to any of your posts. What's the point of you posting at all?

All this tomfoolery about mental health should stop. Look at the numbers

Jinglejangle69

Piehead wrote: »

Appropriate restrictions are needed

Exactly.

Appropriate.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

You cannot leave your county after midnight tonight. Pubs and Restaurants closed. Barbers closed, disgracefully I might add. Can't go to mass, funerals, play sport. Debt increasing monumentally every week. PUP recipients rising. Suicides rising, mental health of many suffering, quietly. Damaging our youth. Can't attend college even after Harris promised they could for second term.

All for this..

All an elaborate protection racket for the grossly incompetent HSE. Very few additional ICU beds brought in the past nine months, if anybody can make sense of this they deserve a gold star. So we have a scenario where there is a looming dread that ill-equipped hospitals receive even a small increase in critical Covid patients. Face-saving exercise led by yours truly, Tony Holohan. I won't mention the other calamity he presided over. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of jobs are ruthlessly sacrificed, ostensibly to look after the tiny minority that are most vulnerable. Partly this yes, however there is little doubt that NPHET and the HSE are covering each others' backs.

Lundstram

10,000 jabs arrived into Ireland this morning. When do they start injecting you might ask. This evening? Tomorrow?

No, next Wednesday.

Ireland.

RugbyLad11

Lundstram wrote: »

10,000 jabs arrived into Ireland this morning. When do they start injecting you might ask. This evening? Tomorrow?

No, next Wednesday.

Ireland.

You would think they would start vaccinating people ASAP, for a virus which is supposed to be so deadly

Atlantic Dawn

Lundstram wrote: »

10,000 jabs arrived into Ireland this morning. When do they start injecting you might ask. This evening? Tomorrow?

No, next Wednesday.

Ireland.

I can see them making a balls of it too where one of them unplugs the chiller to charge their EyePhone and destroys an entire batch.

Lundstram

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

You would think they would start vaccinating people ASAP, for a virus which is supposed to be so deadly

This is the HSE, they're as efficient as a snail. Years of neglect coming home to roost in 2020/21, too many overpaid pen pushers all looking out for themselves.