Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

JRant

Can Tony and Co not wait and see if level 5 lite will be enough to reduce numbers without going to a full lockdown?

The government are even worse IMO. They put a plan in place and at the first sign of slightly higher numbers throw the plan out the window and go with the nuclear option. It's looking like a full lockdown is going to be announced tomorrow evening. How in the name of jaysus are people and businesses supposed to live with this level of chopping and changing.

AndrewJRenko

awec wrote: »

Every 20 minutes? You mean they have 19 minutes to do whatever they want?

It is no discernible greater risk someone being in their bedroom vs in their office, unless the office is organised in a way that nobody is ever left on their own for any period of time and supervision is constant.

This would not be considered more secure.

They don't know they have 19 minutes though. They might have zero minutes. They have to gamble as to whether it is worth the risk of getting fired. Any open plan office has peer supervision anyway.

A home office has no active supervision.There is no gamble.

JRant

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They don't know they have 19 minutes though. They might have zero minutes. They have to gamble as to whether it is worth the risk of getting fired. Any open plan office has peer supervision anyway.

A home office has no active supervision.There is no gamble.

This is off topic but shows a complete misunderstanding of how working from home operates. If someone takes a picture of someone's file and posts it online then there's an audit trail of who accessed that data and it's very easy to identify the culprit from there.

ceadaoin.

mike8634 wrote: »

To save lives and economy

Yes I would

We are protecting them

When its over they can come out of homes

And what if they don't want to be "protected" in such a way?

Captain_Crash

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They don't know they have 19 minutes though. They might have zero minutes. They have to gamble as to whether it is worth the risk of getting fired. Any open plan office has peer supervision anyway.

A home office has no active supervision.There is no gamble.

The simple fact is that yes, it’s possible someone can take a photo from home and post it online, just like they can from the office! But it’s not common.

I’m WFH right now and am dealing daily with the strictest class of financial data, the same classification that most medical data would have and I’d apply the same level of trust to any HSE admin worker should they be at home!

If the ever so slightly increased risk of a photo being taken and posted online was a reason not to have WFH, then the whole county would be back in offices in the morning.

CruelSummer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If there is a cluster in the hospital area they were in they will be traced to the hospital cluster. If there isn’t, they could just as easily have picked it up elsewhere and it cannot be traced to the hospital

Perhaps, and I’m not trying to be smart. I just think we’re all making huge sacrifices to protect the most vulnerable. While there seems to be serious mismanagement of these very people from within the system. It’s hard to trace a cluster to a hospital if you’re not routinely testing staff working there. The contraction of Covid could be put down as being caught anywhere then.

Rrrrrr2

JRant wrote: »

Can Tony and Co not wait and see if level 5 lite will be enough to reduce numbers without going to a full lockdown?

The government are even worse IMO. They put a plan in place and at the first sign of slightly higher numbers throw the plan out the window and go with the nuclear option. It's looking like a full lockdown is going to be announced tomorrow evening. How in the name of jaysus are people and businesses supposed to live with this level of chopping and changing.

Business now need to call a halt to this rubbish- I suggest they immediately with hold all VAT returns (I’m not sure if they are returned monthly or quarterly, I’ve never been involved). It’s got to that stage now. You either stand up for yourself or you let these full salaried lockdown junkies pummel your viable businesses into the ground for their own political gains to appease the lockdown pitchfork mobs on social media

suicide_circus

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

these full salaried lockdown junkies

Nice

GiftofGab

Hope these politician c*nts don't close the gyms again. Only thing I got going for me during the day. Keeps my sanity and away from the drink.

Don't think they realise the positive impact that gyms have on the community.

bush

I don't even care anymore. Barely look here or read any news. 1500 cases? Whatever. Lock down everything again? Whatever.

Micky 32

Lundstram wrote: »

Jaysus, they're really losing the plot on the main Covid19 thread, makes for amusing reading. 8pm curfews, close schools, 5km limit and wait for it - ban alcohol.

You'd laugh at them if they weren't being serious.

With a bit of luck as the vaccinations take effect they’ll disappear back to their empty lives with a bit of luck.

normanoffside

Tony is hard at work this past 2 weeks.

Question: Full Lockdown Y/N

Tony:

PTH2009

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony is hard at work this past 2 weeks.

Question: Full Lockdown Y/N

Tony:

Have an image of Dr Tony in my head in his layer sitting down in disgust watching all the social media clips of house parties/illegal gatherings etc

Was hoping the last full lockdown was the last one but now feel we will have not just the next one but another one mid 2021 when the vaccine roll up ****s up

AndrewJRenko

JRant wrote: »

This is off topic but shows a complete misunderstanding of how working from home operates. If someone takes a picture of someone's file and posts it online then there's an audit trail of who accessed that data and it's very easy to identify the culprit from there.

That depends on how many people accessed the data. If five people legitimately accessed the data over the past two weeks, how do know which one took the photo?

klose

mike8634 wrote: »

I always thought they should give €400 a week to the people vulnerable to this disease and let the young healthy people live

Give them €400 a week, put a tracker on them, take the €400 off them if they come near people based on the tracker

Rest of us could live on as normal

Anyone for political compass memes?



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copeyhagen

Micky 32 wrote: »

With a bit of luck as the vaccinations take effect they’ll disappear back to their empty lives with a bit of luck.

same, dont read or post here anymore really.

too many people living in the clouds, not realising we are literally in an invisible recession, bankrupting the Country, locking down 95% of the population to protect 5%, that arent stupid enough to not protect themselves anyway.

its a joke, actually its not a joke, it was a joke back in July. now its just whatever.

CIARAN_BOYLE

JRant wrote: »

Can Tony and Co not wait and see if level 5 lite will be enough to reduce numbers without going to a full lockdown?

The government are even worse IMO. They put a plan in place and at the first sign of slightly higher numbers throw the plan out the window and go with the nuclear option. It's looking like a full lockdown is going to be announced tomorrow evening. How in the name of jaysus are people and businesses supposed to live with this level of chopping and changing.

They don't feel its sufficient. Government chose to go for it against the advice of Tony and Co. Things have gotten worse as Tony and Co said it would.

NPHET have to reccomend and increase in restrictions. They recommended the increased restrictions before and government said not that far.

Government can either say 'we said no to increased restrictions and we meant no' or say 'sorry you told us things were getting worse and we didn't believe you. Let's go for the restrictions you wanted'.

We all know that level 5 lite as you call it will decrease case numbers(if the new strain does not have an effect on r number) . With the hospital admissions at the current level I'm not sure we want the long period it would take to decrease numbers.

Especially since government have told NPHET that one of the highest priorities is to protect non covid care.

SusieBlue

The cases were always going to go up though, that much has been clear since March. I don’t know why Tony & Co. thought it would be any different this time.
Lockdown = cases go down, lift lockdown = cases go up.

Deny people physical access to their friends and families, socialisation, and hobbies for a few months, then lift/ease the rules for a few weeks.
Cases unsurprisingly go up as people make the most of their newfound personal freedoms.
Tony becomes concerned, the government panics, and a few short weeks later we reimpose the rules and send everyone back to their houses and away from their loved ones with hundreds of thousands of people unemployed and out of work for another few months.
Rinse & repeat x 3 (now x 4) since March 2020. Tony is by no means some sort of expert genius for predicting that.
When there is more contact, there will be more cases.
More so this time, because people are fatigued from the rules & goalposts constantly changing and were eager to have some semblance of a Christmas with their families.

I recall someone making a scathing remark on this thread earlier this month about how people were acting like wild animals.
We have been denied our ordinary lives, regular access to our friends/family and control over our personal freedoms for the best part of a year now.
Is it really all that surprising that people behaved that way?
March was nearly a year ago, and what was a fair and reasonable ask back then us no longer fair or reasonable.
People can only take so much.
It’s not remotely surprising so many made the most of things while they could with the inevitable fourth lockdown looming.

I wore my mask, washed my hands, and kept my distance this month.
I avoided other people’s homes and favoured socialising in controlled sanitised environments such as restaurants and cafes as I felt they were safer.
I got my hair done, I got my nails done, and I supported local businesses employing local people as much as I possibly could. Nothing I did was against the rules but some are so deep into this lockdown groupthink that they’d still take issue with it.
But I did not say no to one single invitation of socialisation for the month of December, and I’m glad I didn’t now, with another 3.5 months of this gloom all we have to look forward to.

We had 3 weeks of level 3.5 and 6 weeks of level 5 to ‘save Christmas’, which we all knew was a carrot on a stick.
Maybe people wouldn’t have been so desperate to see their friends and families over the last 3 weeks, and in turn the cases wouldn’t be going up so much if we had been able to actually see them at any point since early October. Or September, in Dublin’s case.
Just something to consider instead of pointing fingers.

tdf7187

copeyhagen wrote: »

same, dont read or post here anymore really.

too many people living in the clouds, not realising we are literally in an invisible recession, bankrupting the Country, locking down 95% of the population to protect 5%, that arent stupid enough to not protect themselves anyway.

its a joke, actually its not a joke, it was a joke back in July. now its just whatever.

The public finances remain in a healthy state. You have valid concerns regarding the shut down of some sectors of the economy and the effect on peoples' livelihoods, but talk of 'we are bankrupting the country' is nonsense.

Atlantic Dawn

tdf7187 wrote: »

The public finances remain in a healthy state. You have valid concerns regarding the shut down of some sectors of the economy and the effect on peoples' livelihoods, but talk of 'we are bankrupting the country' is nonsense.

It's just a shame all this money couldn't have been thrown at housing or infrastructure projects some years ago and the country would be proper booming.

There were some projections of this year of a €30billion cost, circa €6.6k per person in the country, not the end of the world by any means.

OneEightSeven

So this guy died of Covid-19 tonight. He was all in favour of relaxing restrictions and opening up in America.

https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1314247318372257792

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1344118262905282560

Micky 32

OneEightSeven wrote: »

So this guy died of Covid-19 tonight. He was all in favour of relaxing restrictions and opening up in America.

https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1314247318372257792

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1344118262905282560

Thankfully with the vaccines we’ll see less and less of these smug posts.


It’s unfortunate he died of coronavirus but how many his age died of heart attacks, cancer and other illnesses in comparison?

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's just a shame all this money couldn't have been thrown at housing or infrastructure projects some years ago and the country would be proper booming.

There were some projections of this year of a €30billion cost, circa €6.6k per person in the country, not the end of the world by any means.

Why have we never thought of this before?

It’s as simple as just borrowing billions... build more houses. Build more hospitals. Build an underground transport system. Cut taxes in half. Build more facilities.

What could go wrong?

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

Why have we never thought of this before?

It’s as simple as just borrowing billions... build more houses. Build more hospitals. Build an underground transport system. Cut taxes in half. Build more facilities.

What could go wrong?

People are so deluded on here about the money we are haemorrhaging. It’s grand in the short term but longterm......

Atlantic Dawn

Micky 32 wrote: »

People are so deluded on here about the money we are haemorrhaging. It’s grand in the short term but longterm......

It's like buying a house with 0% deposit, getting a brand new car on PCP with a sub €20k salary, what could possibly go wrong

SusieBlue

Micky 32 wrote: »

Thankfully with the vaccines we’ll see less and less of these smug posts.


It’s unfortunate he died of coronavirus but how many his age died of heart attacks, cancer and other illnesses in comparison?

Only coronavirus deaths matter, everyone else can get stuffed.

And that he deserved it for having the audacity to think that keeping the economy closed/reduced was dangerous and would cause more deaths, poverty and societal issues in the long run.
At least that’s the vibe and impression I’m getting from the aforementioned sanctimonious post.

AndrewJRenko

Captain_Crash wrote: »

The simple fact is that yes, it’s possible someone can take a photo from home and post it online, just like they can from the office! But it’s not common.

I’m WFH right now and am dealing daily with the strictest class of financial data, the same classification that most medical data would have and I’d apply the same level of trust to any HSE admin worker should they be at home!

If the ever so slightly increased risk of a photo being taken and posted online was a reason not to have WFH, then the whole county would be back in offices in the morning.

Perhaps you're new to this issue? Financial data is most definitely NOT the same classification as medical data. Health data is one of the special categories of data under GDPR, just as it is under Irish data protection legislation.

Soulsun

GiftofGab wrote: »

Hope these politician c*nts don't close the gyms again. Only thing I got going for me during the day. Keeps my sanity and away from the drink.

Don't think they realise the positive impact that gyms have on the community.

Are they likely to close gyms?

AndrewJRenko

GiftofGab wrote: »

Hope these politician c*nts don't close the gyms again. Only thing I got going for me during the day. Keeps my sanity and away from the drink.

Don't think they realise the positive impact that gyms have on the community.

There are lots of ways to exercise without going to a gym. Who knows, you might find yourself wondering why you bothered to pay for a gym for all those years.

tigger123

Soulsun wrote: »

Are they likely to close gyms?

Irish Times is saying that Cabinet will meet today and approve a full Level 5 lockdown. So that would include gyms I would assume.