Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Thats me

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Yes I’ve already made reference to capacity being finite.

My concern is just how much of a problem are HAIs? Whether some want more or less restrictions is irrelevant if HAIs might threaten capacity even with low hospital admissions.

% of cases in healthcare workers may be indirect indication:



My understanding - everything was bad until August, especially when new cases were very low it looks like HCWs were sharing covid between themselves. But later situation improved (from recently it seem improved even more, as i can see non-covid patients are having same day check before entering hospital).

After the spike of infection 20th October, we see increased number of hospitalisations with following increase in % of new cases in HCWs.

Conclusion: if you do not want infection in the hospitals - don't get infected, isolate.

aziz

facehugger99 wrote: »

You are correct and I will edit my post - it's over €2bn a month.

No panic everyone

Phew,thank god for that,thought we were in trouble there

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

You are correct and I will edit my post - it's over €2bn a month.

No panic everyone

Pffft 2 bn a month to keep the lights on.

Pocket money

That’s only a children’s hospital a month

Only about €8000 since March for every adult working in Ireland

I can’t see a need for austerity

VonLuck

Deep Thought wrote: »

Covid is taking up 10% of ICU beds. The lack of beds is not Covid fault. It the fact that when cases were low, the government did nothing to fix it.

And what can the government do now? They can't just magic ICU beds. That takes years of investment.

You're essentially saying "I didn't create this mess so why should I help". Imagine if everyone had that attitude.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Over on the main thread, they are calling Prof O’Neils Christmas dinner advice sensible!!!

I’m guessing exchanging gifts and pulling Christmas crackers is off the menu as well?

I suppose we could tie lengths of rope out of the crackers and pull from a distance

BeefeaterHat

VonLuck wrote: »

And what can the government do now? They can't just magic ICU beds. That takes years of investment.

You're essentially saying "I didn't create this mess so why should I help". Imagine if everyone had that attitude.

Sweden doubled their ICU capacity over the summer.

Rrrrrr2

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Sweden doubled their ICU capacity over the summer.

So unlike Nphet and co they actually did something useful?

mikekerry

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

So unlike Nphet and co they actually did something useful?

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

BeefeaterHat

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

So unlike Nphet and co they actually did something useful?

Yeah this is the nation of the Antichrist, Sweden who hate the weak and elderly according to the main thread.

FintanMcluskey

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

"Stick grandpa by the window and have a good breeze blowing through, and this will really decrease the risk, so it is possible to have a Christmas together,"

So rather than grandpa catching a mild cold he is now suffering from severe hypothermia

mikekerry

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

"Stick grandpa by the window and have a good breeze blowing through, and this will really decrease the risk, so it is possible to have a Christmas together,"

So rather than grandpa catching a mild cold he is now suffering from severe hypothermia

seriously this guy ( O' neill) must be insane.
you couldn't be right in the head to come out with stuff like that.

BeefeaterHat

mikekerry wrote: »

seriously this guy ( O' neill) must be insane.
you couldn't be right in the head to come out with stuff like that.

Well the British authorities were suggesting socially distanced dog shows and frisbee competitions as ways to keep people entertained so this whole crisis has proven that the stereotype of the socially ignorant and inept scientist is somewhat justified

Thierry12

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

Can some journalist please follow that eejit O'Neill around for a few days

He can't possibly.practice what he preaches?

Like RTE

He has an A4 list of crap at this stage

suicide_circus

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

"Don't pass the gravy boat"
These kind of utterances, while well intentioned, only serve to reduce how seriously people take the message.

"Pass the gravy" says your father 2 feet away

"No sorry dad it might be the death of you"

Parabellum9

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

It’s high time they mind their own ****ing business, people will have whatever sort of Xmas dinner they feel appropriate in their own home, we don’t need any advice from these overpaid mouthpieces on that.

BeefeaterHat

suicide_circus wrote: »

"Don't pass the gravy boat"
These kind of utterances, while well intentioned, only serve to reduce how seriously people take the message.

"Pass the gravy" says your father 2 feet away

"No sorry dad it might be the death of you"

Just pick it up with a pair of salad tongs and scoot it over to him inch by inch until it's near him. The common sense approach

Multipass

suicide_circus wrote: »

"Don't pass the gravy boat"
These kind of utterances, while well intentioned, only serve to reduce how seriously people take the message.

"Pass the gravy" says your father 2 feet away

"No sorry dad it might be the death of you"

I don’t know, it could be good advice - gravy isn’t great for the arteries. In fact Christmas dinner itself is probably more of a health risk to most of us. We could probably live an extra 2 years if we lived in isolation and ate salad.

BeefeaterHat

Multipass wrote: »

I don’t know, it could be good advice - gravy isn’t great for the arteries. In fact Christmas dinner itself is probably more of a health risk to most of us. We could probably live an extra 2 years if we lived in isolation and ate salad.

Dr Holohan is deeply concerned about the growth rate of Yorkshire pudding consumption. The next two puds are crucial.

Multipass

Multipass wrote: »

I don’t know, it could be good advice - gravy isn’t great for the arteries. In fact Christmas dinner itself is probably more of a health risk to most of us. We could probably live an extra 2 years if we lived in isolation and ate salad.

As jack Nicholson said "when I die I wanna be sick not fit and healthy"!!:D

Neamhshuntasach

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I think there is crossed wires here.... most cases are not hospital acquired, but most hospital cases are acquired in hospital. I think this is what the initial poster meant to say

Of the near 300 cases in hospital with covid. It's true that some of them are in for other reasons and contracted while in there. And now contribute towards the numbers reported for hospital cases. My uncle being one who came off his bike and wasn't let home because he kept pulling the neck brace off in his sleep. He then caught covid in there as did 6 others in his non covid ward.

IHowever of the near 300 hospital cases the number that is being reported as acquired in hospital is not out of that hospital case figure. I think I seen 282 cases in hospital or something. And then 212 cases required in hospital. And it seems to be equated that the 212 for example is from the 282 figure. It's not. Most people that acquired in hospital are not admitted. They are sent home to isolate once their other reason for being in hospital warrants a discharge. Unless they have complications due to covid. A lot don't.

I know the figures above may not be exact. I was trying to remember the numbers.

Banana Republic 1

all this comes back to the old Irish saying “ shur it’l be grand”. You have the government doing what Irish governments have done for the last 99 years, stick their heads in the sand with the hope that it’ll all blow over. It reminds me in a way of the last morning of the 1st world war, they all knew it was coming but hundreds charged into battle and were killed because of ego and incompetence.

Rrrrrr2

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

all this comes back to the old Irish saying “ shur it’l be grand”. You have the government doing what Irish governments have done for the last 99 years, stick their heads in the sand with the hope that it’ll all blow over. It reminds me in a way of the last morning of the 1st world war, they all knew it was coming but hundreds charged into battle and were killed because of ego and incompetence.

Nah it’s the exact opposite happening- Irish government has been sticking its nose into every nook and cranny of business and personal life for the best part of a year now. Not achieving very much. And the vast majority are sick of it now

Fair play to Tomas, he'll keep pluggin away like a broken clock until MTV pay for his lab the way they did for Cool hand Luke O'Neil..

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/ireland-lockdown-top-doctor-predicts-severer-restrictions-third-wave-and-thousands-of-cases-in-christmas-warning/ar-BB1bj7pn?li=BBr5KbJ

aziz

rusty cole wrote: »

As jack Nicholson said "when I die I wanna be sick not fit and healthy"!!:D

Or my favourite “when I die,I want to die of something because I hate to die of nothing “

Banana Republic 1

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Nah it’s the exact opposite happening- Irish government has been sticking its nose into every nook and cranny of business and personal life for the best part of a year now. Not achieving very much. And the vast majority are sick of it now

You must not get thee same news wherever you are. Ireland should be testing people in the same way they’ve done In Liverpool or population is small enough for it. They could be afraid of the results or more likely their incompetent. Just like all before them.

Banana Republic 1

Parabellum9 wrote: »

It’s high time they mind their own ****ing business, people will have whatever sort of Xmas dinner they feel appropriate in their own home, we don’t need any advice from these overpaid mouthpieces on that.

I think trump would do well here if he legs it out of the states.

Banana Republic 1

rusty cole wrote: »

Fair play to Tomas, he'll keep pluggin away like a broken clock until MTV pay for his lab the way they did for Cool hand Luke O'Neil..

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/ireland-lockdown-top-doctor-predicts-severer-restrictions-third-wave-and-thousands-of-cases-in-christmas-warning/ar-BB1bj7pn?li=BBr5KbJ

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I just don’t trust those dam experts

I actually think it's gone beyond scary at this stage between Twitter leaks, goalposts being moved, age and profiles being omitted and now being told that you cannot have people round at Xmas unless they're on the guest list sanctioned by NPHET this is checkpoint charlie sort of stuff now, I may as well hit the steroids, get a vest and an eyepatch and change my name to snake!

I really am starting to wonder WTF is goin on now and how we're being dragged down deeper by these sharks, I really believe Tony has been given a goal or a job to do with carte blanche and to hell with normal people.

He's worried that there's now a finger pointing culture but funnily enough now he wasnt bothered when the fingers were being pointed at you and I, god forbid we should extend our own digits and point in the direction of Dublin 4, MONTROSE!

anyone who's not happy should vote with their remote control on Friday!! dont pay their wages..keep your TV off RTE and go download scrooge or anything that really takes you away from it all. The Late Late toy show always reminds me of the fairground scene in Pinocchio anyway...sinister with a wide eyed top hat wearing Tubridy up on a high!

dalyboy

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I just don’t trust those dam experts

So you only trust the “experts” that suit yours or the media’s narrative?

AssetBacked2

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

I think trump would do well here if he legs it out of the states.

Unlikely. If you can recall from the recent election, the electorate flat out rejected right wing nuts, in favour of left wing populists (SF and Greens) mixed with our typical centrist (FF and FG) parties.