Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Ted_YNWA

awec wrote: »

Are you going to post this nonsense on a daily basis?

We get it kermit. You think lockdowns have to be perpetual, and that if we hadn't eased everything would be grand.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why wouldn't I post it when it is true and so richly deserved?

copeyhagen wrote: »

said as he licks his froggy lips...

"this lockdown is delicious"

Mod

All of ye, cut it out.

All you are doing is provoking each other with this kind of posting style

Golfman64

Public parks and playgrounds remain open whilst golf courses close again. Madness.

FintanMcluskey

The CFR must have increased greatly since the initial March lockdown when it was estimated at 3-4%.

If only it had turned out to be multiple times less deadly than initially thought

CruelSummer

All very predictable. January hospitalisations increase as is always the case, we hit the panic button.
When does the 5km come in? It's an utterly ridiculous restriction in the countryside which I won't be following.

Lets say if 1 in 1000 people have tested positive in one day...and the next day 2 in 1000 have tested positive.. Media will report Covid positve results double in 24hrs...this is what people see, this is what media specialise in and this is why lotto wins are advertised and losses are not....the cards are stacked against people who generally respond to media for real news..it is fear mongering and we have as much chance of seeing THE data as we have getting all vaccine clinical trial details published for peer review. Sorry for diverting from the discussions.

Burty330

Lockdowns were meant to be a temporary measure. While 99% of people were compliant initially , the human psyche is simply not capable of dealing with long term lockdowns , especially ones that do not yield positive results.

Rates are going up because people do not care anymore. Particularly young people

Governments have lost the trust of the people. Lockdown ONLY works when people abide by the rules. We will achieve nothing by plunging the county into another 5 week lockdown.

If anything it will make it worse as that completely reetarded 5K rule keeps people localized and prevents them from spreading out.

Lundstram

I see MM hiding behind this "new deadly strain" as reason to pile more misery on 5 million people. Nothing on our shambolic health service, though.

I wonder will those teachers be put on PUP now? Not a fcuking chance. It's pretty clear that if you work in the private sector in Ireland you don't matter.

The thoughts of this misery for 2 or 3 months in the dead of winter is enough to make the most positive of us to reach for a rope.

PTH2009

Let's hope its level 3+ by the start of March esp for my sisters sake with her wedding been on. She's preparing for 25 guests

With the vaccine out this 100% should be the last full lockdown. No excuses if its not

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

I wonder will those teachers be put on PUP now? Not a fcuking chance. It's pretty clear that if you work in the private sector in Ireland you don't matter.

We all know what happened between March & June (leaving aside "holliers" in July & August). Government borrowing huge sums of money for the square root of nothing. Wait until the bill is due come the next budget, you can be sure the private sector worker (those fortunate enough to return to employment) will be footing that as well. Ridiculous imbalance in society only accentuated by NPHET and their lapdogs.

darconio

FlubberJones wrote: »

Assume the gyms will be closed yet again... FFS

Penfailed wrote: »

Why assume the worst? FFS.

Indeed, why assume the worst, we are in this together, if I don't want to get out from the house nobody should

Deleted User wrote: »

Peak hysteria on the restrictions thread.

Absolutely nailed it, congratulation.

I've been accused of hysteria, I've been called a loon, I've been told to wear my tinfoil hat when I exposed (along with several other posters) the weak plan of the government when they decided to lockdown the country to save xmas. Now here we are exactly in the spot that was predicted but addressed as hysteria from the most, yet it's our fault that we are in this situation, no guilt whatsoever from the government and their lack of planning for "living with covid". Lockdown it is, and I'm afraid won't be the last one

Penfailed

nino1 wrote: »

I am a healthcare worker and i don't disagree with restrictions but i think the level of restrictions need to be reduced to get the economy up and going again.

Closing down non-essential business is too far in my opinion now that a vaccine is here.

One thing that needs to be discussed is the difference between the death count of people who die WITH covid and those that die AS A RESULT OF covid.
If you look at the total deaths in Ireland over the last 20 years in 13 of those years there has a higher total death rate than 2020.
There were only 17 deaths from 44 years and younger from COVID.

Now that we have a vaccine to protect our most vulnerable groups i think that its time to create the level of restrictions in line with this new tool in the fight against covid and make any restrictions proportionate.

Shutting down the economy, banning non-essential business and restricting peoples movements is a huge deal and shouldn't be applied as vigorously now as when we had to other means of protecting our most vulnerable.

Don't you think it would be more prudent to wait until the most vulnerable groups are actually vaccinated?

AndrewJRenko

Windmill100000 wrote: »

The median age for these cases is approximately 35. The vast majority of people this age will not require hospitalisation and can isolate at home.

14 deaths or thereabouts a day is tragic for families, but it does not warrant level 5 restrictions on an ongoing basis.

Which of your family members would you volunteer 'for the cause'? Which parent or perhaps vulnerable sibling or child would you be prepared to let go in order to keep things open?

Golfman64 wrote: »

Public parks and playgrounds remain open whilst golf courses close again. Madness.

Username checks out.

Burty330 wrote: »

LEVEL 5 SPREADS THE VIRUS WORSER. HIGH TRANSMISSION VECTORS LIKE PARKS AND HOUSEHOLDS BECOME MORE POPULATED IN LEVER 5'ER..GOV HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THE ASSES....LOCKDOWN DOES NOT WORK IN WEAK AND UNDISCIPLINED SOCIETIES

Does SHOUTING really help? Why would you think the virus is spreading in parks?

Lundstram wrote: »

I see MM hiding behind this "new deadly strain" as reason to pile more misery on 5 million people. Nothing on our shambolic health service, though.

I wonder will those teachers be put on PUP now? Not a fcuking chance. It's pretty clear that if you work in the private sector in Ireland you don't matter.

The thoughts of this misery for 2 or 3 months in the dead of winter is enough to make the most positive of us to reach for a rope.

We are where we are with the health service. You can have a huge debate about whether is good enough, but that won't change where we are. No-one has a magic wand to magic up more qualified staff at the drop of a hat.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s essentially been 9 months house arrest for a crime that was never committed.

Yeah...like a police state? :rolleyes:

Have a bit of perspective Fintan. It hasn't been anything even resembling house arrest. Why do you persist with this line of thinking? Do you like playing the victim? Woe is me...and all that?

Mean Laqueefa

Penfailed wrote: »

Don't you think it would be more prudent to wait until the most vulnerable groups are actually vaccinated?

What is vulnerable ? elderly people and the such, ive just been informed i cant get back to work till the 11th of jan, my rent is due before that, plenty of people here preaching when they haven't a clue what its like to live on the breadline it turns my stomach.


You havent a clue what some people are going trough and just like debating stats and one liner answers to people here giving reasons why,

Burty330

Burty330 wrote: »

LEVEL 5 SPREADS THE VIRUS WORSER. HIGH TRANSMISSION VECTORS LIKE PARKS AND HOUSEHOLDS BECOME MORE POPULATED IN LEVER 5'ER..GOV HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THE ASSES....LOCKDOWN DOES NOT WORK IN WEAK AND UNDISCIPLINED SOCIETIES

Caps lock is on the left hand side of your keyboard. And level 5 does and has worked

MOH

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Utter nonsense. They are still working so why would we put them on an unemployment payment? Should we do it for everyone in the country that is still working?

Are they working though?
Because since March, all they've come up with is "have another lockdown".
They've done pretty much nothing else they claimed they were going to do.

Cillian de Gascun said in July, while NPHET chair, that our improved medical infrastructure and testing and tracing should allow us to avoid future nationwide lockdowns, by quickly identifying clusters, tracing contacts, and isolating them.
Obviously, that never happened.

Then again, that was never actually possible, considering that Philip Nolan accidentally admitted in September that they were only ever looking 2 days back because going back further and actually working out how people were picking it up was "an academic exercise".

There was an announcement earlier this month that they were going to start extending the backtracing period, I think it was to 7 days (though maybe 5). It got largely buried in all the other stuff. I assume that never happened either - although if it did, it would explain why the numbers of close contacts and tests have risen so much.

There was the 5-stage plan for actually dealing with Covid sanely on an ongoing basis, which was supposed to have considered a wide range of scenarios, which Micheal Martin insisted had clearly defined criteria for moving between each level. That's never actually been used and was obsolete the day it was published.

And of course there's Tony Holohan, who's telling everyone now not to visit anybody, yet was insisting back in March that it was premature to curtail visits to vulnerable people in nursing homes.

So that sounds like a good idea. Let's just agree now that we're going into a semi-permanent cycle of 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off of lockdowns, and then we can sack that lot of them.

I wouldn't be in favour of giving them PUP though, unless any of them can demonstrate that they've actually done some legitimate work in the last 9 months.

Boggles

MOH wrote: »

Are they working though?
Because since March, all they've come up with is "have another lockdown".
They've done pretty much nothing else they claimed they were going to do.

Again.

NPHET get their remit from governance.

Their advice is based on 2 core principles given to them by government.

1. Keeping the schools open
2. Keeping non covid health care functioning.

The Government never tasked them with keep everything functioning and open during a once in a generation pandemic because that would be fúcking dangerously stupid.

Penfailed

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

What is vulnerable ? elderly people and the such, ive just been informed i cant get back to work till the 11th of jan, my rent is due before that, plenty of people here preaching when they haven't a clue what its like to live on the breadline it turns my stomach.


You havent a clue what some people are going trough and just like debating stats and one liner answers to people here giving reasons why,

Sorry to hear that. You've taken my one line comment completely out of context though. I was responding to someone who wanted everything to open up because the vaccine is here. That's not how it works.

RebelButtMunch

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Oh come on Andrew let’s not be silly about this. I wasn’t stopped once during the second lockdown and I drive Greystones to Skerries and back everyday for work. They aren’t going to stop you on your bike.

I got stopped on my bike during the 2k lockdown. I just told the guards I was doing a loop around where I lived. No probs.

JRant

PTH2009 wrote: »

Let's hope its level 3+ by the start of March esp for my sisters sake with her wedding been on. She's preparing for 25 guests

With the vaccine out this 100% should be the last full lockdown. No excuses if its not

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Donnelly "hopes" to have healthcare workers and nursing homes done by the end of March, hope being the important word here.

The problem with this lockdown is for an indefinite period of time with it being at least one month. We could very well be looking at a 3 month lockdown. I hope there's a serious reckoning coming for these spineless politicians.

Del Griffith

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Caps lock is on the left hand side of your keyboard. And level 5 does and has worked

What is your definition of worked? Temporarily stop transmission, like preventing road crashes by banning cars. A pointless exercise if ever there was one. We should have been living with this thing since last May.

Rrrrrr2

Burty330 wrote: »

Lockdowns were meant to be a temporary measure. While 99% of people were compliant initially , the human psyche is simply not capable of dealing with long term lockdowns , especially ones that do not yield positive results.

Rates are going up because people do not care anymore. Particularly young people

Governments have lost the trust of the people. Lockdown ONLY works when people abide by the rules. We will achieve nothing by plunging the county into another 5 week lockdown.

If anything it will make it worse as that completely reetarded 5K rule keeps people localized and prevents them from spreading out.

Sums up my feelings exactly- if I could see a clear benefit to them I’d be all for it but there isn’t - we are not out of the last one a wet week and here we are again. Straight back into another one. They are the most bizarre dystopian nightmare I’ve ever lived through.
I’m personally done now and will just use my work situations to move around as needs be. I don’t care anymore.
Very sorry to see gyms targeted once again- places where we go to exercise, boost our health and immune systems. 2021 I’m sorry to say folks is not going to be any different to the one gone by. If anything the panic button appears to grow and grow. A very sad state of affairs- I don’t see any way out of soon unless there’s a radically altered approach. Vaccine or neigh

The_Brood

'Lockdown' to further disrupt everyone's life, but schools open, borders open, no enforcement on the streets to stop rule breakers = sure fire recipe for endless rollercoaster lockdowns.

And we set at home allowing it to happen, with the only people protesting being the looney bin anti-maskers.

For our quiet compliance we deserve every single last drop of misery being heaped upon us. 2020 is not the problem. We are the problem.

GazzaL

Del Griffith wrote: »

What is your definition of worked? Temporarily stop transmission, like preventing road crashes by banning cars. A pointless exercise if ever there was one. We should have been living with this thing since last May.

Yeah, but, no, but yeah if we banned cars we'd save lives and isn't that more important than anything.

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Caps lock is on the left hand side of your keyboard. And level 5 does and has worked

A more important question is do we need the full Level 5?
Why didn't they go with the original plan of L5 lite until the 12th and reassess then?
Why strip away even more of our liberties unless it is absolutely necessary?

Why only give 24 hours notice to businesses and workers that their jobs and income will be severely compromised for at least a month. This straight after a 6 week lockdown and only really ended on the 18th December.

GazzaL

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Sums up my feelings exactly- if I could see a clear benefit to them I’d be all for it but there isn’t - we are not out of the last one a wet week and here we are again. Straight back into another one. They are the most bizarre dystopian nightmare I’ve ever lived through.
I’m personally done now and will just use my work situations to move around as needs be. I don’t care anymore.
Very sorry to see gyms targeted once again- places where we go to exercise, boost our health and immune systems. 2021 I’m sorry to say folks is not going to be any different to the one gone by. If anything the panic button appears to grow and grow. A very sad state of affairs- I don’t see any way out of soon unless there’s a radically altered approach. Vaccine or neigh

I said it before, but I'm gutted for gym owners. Many of them are owned by young lads who have put their lives into them. January is peak membership sales time. They have been hammered by NPHET and the Government.

Like you, I am done.

JRant

The_Brood wrote: »

'Lockdown' to further disrupt everyone's life, but schools open, borders open, no enforcement on the streets to stop rule breakers = sure fire recipe for endless rollercoaster lockdowns.

And we set at home allowing it to happen, with the only people protesting being the looney bin anti-maskers.

For our quiet compliance we deserve every single last drop of misery being heaped upon us. 2020 is not the problem. We are the problem.

Yep, the huge problem of people coming back from the UK has come home to roost. No enforcement for those returning at all. Then we have the basket case that is the north. Wait till next Monday arrives and we'll have 10's of thousands flying down the M1 to work down here and travel about and nothing to stop them.

Then we have the dozens of outbreaks in hospitals and nursing homes this past week. Sure, we can't expect the HSE to do anything about that.

Boggles

JRant wrote: »

A more important question is do we need the full Level 5?
Why didn't they go with the original plan of L5 lite until the 12th and reassess then?
Why strip away even more of our liberties unless it is absolutely necessary?

Because I imagine we don't want to end up like our neighbors.

50,023 new cases and 981 new deaths in the United Kingdom

2 ways to tackle the pandemic.

You can be proactive or you can be reactive.

We have been proactive, the UK have be reactive.

Which strategy would you think is best?

GazzaL

JRant wrote: »

Yep, the huge problem of people coming back from the UK has come home to roost. No enforcement for those returning at all. Then we have the basket case that is the north. Wait till next Monday arrives and we'll have 10's of thousands flying down the M1 to work down here and travel about and nothing to stop them.

Then we have the dozens of outbreaks in hospitals and nursing homes this past week. Sure, we can't expect the HSE to do anything about that.

NPHET's data today shows 23 outbreaks in hospitals and nursing homes. There was no mention of how they're planning to address that problem.

Del Griffith

Del Griffith wrote: »

What is your definition of worked? Temporarily stop transmission, like preventing road crashes by banning cars. A pointless exercise if ever there was one. We should have been living with this thing since last May.

What do you think may have happened? 0.15% of the population dead like Belgium, and that was with lockdowns and restrictions, just less stringent in general than us.