Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

He's arguing that sports (playing games) are a thing that needs to happen in the middle of a (hopefullly) once in a lifetime pandemic because of "muh mental health!" whilst displaying an avatar of his #1 Grown Adult That Plays A Game For a Living.


I got into a similar argument with some guy that moderates the sport and rugby forums who had his favourite rugbyman as his avatar earlier today.


There are people drowning in their own fluids in ICU beds and people are still arguing that their favourite version of Chase The Ball should be going ahead in the middle of a pandemic because of the catch-all mental health bull****.

Doesn’t that happen every Winter?

oldtimeyfella

normanoffside wrote: »

This is such rubbish.
I help organise a little weekly 5k run/walk in the local park every weekend.
It had built up from 40 to more recently 300 people each week over the past 4 years.
People of all ages getting out once a week to do a once weekly bit of healthy exercise and outdoor socialising. People of all ages. Many of them elderly or lonely who had no social outlet other than that once a week event.
Loads volunteering too and helping out, it had built a real sense of local community and given many a purpose to get out and meet people for the first time in years while keeping.

That's been gone now since March. A lot of people's health (both mental and physical) have been badly affected by this all.

I am certain that the health benefits of lockdown do not in any way outweigh the deficits caused by it.

Thank Christ that you haven't been hosting a potential weekly superspreader event since March.



Fair play to you for doing the right thing and suspending it.

oldtimeyfella

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Doesn’t that happen every Winter?

"It's just the flu, bro!"


I thought we were past this childishness since March or April?

FintanMcluskey

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

"It's just the flu, bro!"


I thought we were past this childishness since March or April?

Your answers aren’t supporting your argument

Are more hospital and critical care beds occupied than normal?

Remembering 2020 was a great year for excess deaths

normanoffside

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Fair play to you for doing the right thing and suspending it.

Not my choice

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Thank Christ that you haven't been hosting a potential weekly superspreader event since March.

Your attitude and lack of empathy is disgusting.

Stop feeding it folks, in any event the posting style is all too familiar. I suspect one alter ego was nuked the other week. Back on topic, there is a disturbing lack of empathy for those cast out of employment at a day's notice. A certain type of individual taking sadistic relish in the monetary & emotional plight of others, while simultaneously affecting faux concern for the elderly. Don't descend to their level.

HBC08

normanoffside wrote: »

This is such rubbish.
I help organise a little weekly 5k run/walk in the local park every weekend.
It had built up from 40 to more recently 300 people each week over the past 4 years.
People of all ages getting out once a week to do a once weekly bit of healthy exercise and outdoor socialising. People of all ages. Many of them elderly or lonely who had no social outlet other than that once a week event.
Loads volunteering too and helping out, it had built a real sense of local community and given many a purpose to get out and meet people for the first time in years while keeping/getting fit.

That's been gone now since March. A lot of people's health (both mental and physical) have been badly affected by this all.

I am certain that the health benefits of lockdown do not in any way outweigh the deficits caused by it.

I'm guessing parkrun or something similar?
I loved parkrun and was involved in organising too until about 18 months ago where I had to step back for health reasons.
It would be great to run it but these are not usual times,do you understand that?
I realise it can be reasoned that outdoor stuff is not dangerous (I subscribe to this mysellf) but surely you can see (especially from threads like this) that we need the hammer approach Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots about and we need to incorporate that.

nj27

Wonder if there will be a raft of suicides with people locked down, isolated and out of work during the darkest part of the year!

I would add that, this talk from the media and such of the NEW NORMAL is beyond laughable. Isolation fuels addiction, people are drinking more, domestic violence is on the rise. The first thing a doc will say to somebody with depression is, get some exercise and plenty of outdoor activity, it's why they fill brutalist areas like OLD Ballymun with new parks and Green areas. Cancer diagnosis is delayed to the point of many families now inevitably getting very bad news in the next few months, AVOIDABLE considering the survival rates based on early detection, as we see on the TV before Covid was the new show in town.

Any psychotherapist will tell you that these living conditions are not the new Normal, they are Abnormal, or even subnormal. If RTE or TV3 want the use clever euphemisms to cloud the language then that's fine but I'm clever enough to see things for what they are, and by this thread, I'm happy to see I'm far from alone.
I am all for deterrents, hand washing and the usual stuff but seeing adverts like VAX and GO from Ryanair this evening and now hearing the gyms and all are closed, well, it's just 1984 stuff as far as I can see.

PTH2009

nj27 wrote: »

Wonder if there will be a raft of suicides with people locked down, isolated and out of work during the darkest part of the year!

Let's hope not and hope the powers that be have every support/service available too help people through it

oldtimeyfella

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop feeding it folks, in any event the posting style is all too familiar. I suspect one alter ego was nuked the other week. Back on topic, there is a disturbing lack of empathy for those cast out of employment at a day's notice. A certain type of individual taking sadistic relish in the monetary & emotional plight of others, while simultaneously affecting faux concern for the elderly. Don't descend to their level.

I'm very much not a troll. I'm just exasperated with peoples attitudes during this entire thing.


I have elderly parents who are scared to leave the house because of underlying conditions and i'm a frontline worker so i've barely seen them all year and i'm being accussed of trolling or straight up lying when commenting in this thread.


I've held off really letting loose at a few people and i honestly think it'd be for the best if i just become a lurker because a lot of you people are despicable and incredibly selfish.


Keep burying your heads in the sand and worrying about spending the few quid and the few pints and i genuinely hope you never have to experience someone you care about dying from this virus that you don't consider to be that big of a deal.


Enjoy your empty, souless society.

acequion

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop feeding it folks, in any event the posting style is all too familiar. I suspect one alter ego was nuked the other week. Back on topic, there is a disturbing lack of empathy for those cast out of employment at a day's notice. A certain type of individual taking sadistic relish in the monetary & emotional plight of others, while simultaneously affecting faux concern for the elderly. Don't descend to their level.

Have just logged on after a busy day trying to enjoy a family xmas season. Was wondering which post to respond to and this post really sums it all up.

An absolutely unreal lack of empathy apparent by certain "new" posters whose posting style is grim, grey and miserable like winter weather.

HBC08

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

I'm very much not a troll. I'm just exasperated with peoples attitudes during this entire thing.


I have elderly parents who are scared to leave the house because of underlying conditions and i'm a frontline worker so i've barely seen them all year and i'm being accussed of trolling or straight up lying when commenting in this thread.


I've held off really letting loose at a few people and i honestly think it'd be for the best if i just become a lurker because a lot of you people are despicable and incredibly selfish.


Keep burying your heads in the sand and worrying about spending the few quid and the few pints and i genuinely hope you never have to experience someone you care about dying from this virus that you don't consider to be that big of a deal.


Enjoy your empty, souless society.

Don't get too worried,this is a a stressful enough time in the real world.
I've gone from despairing at this thread to having a daily chuckle at it.

acequion

HBC08 wrote: »

Don't get too worried,this is a a stressful enough time in the real world.
I've gone from despairing at this thread to having a daily chuckle at it.

And I've gone to marvelling at how bitter and how people hating some people really are.

acequion

acequion wrote: »

Have just logged on after a busy day trying to enjoy a family xmas season. Was wondering which post to respond to and this post really sums it all up.

An absolutely unreal lack of empathy apparent by certain "new" posters whose posting style is grim, grey and miserable like winter weather.

Not to mention over the top and dramatic, good bye cruel world..

I think most of us have elderly frightened parents, and yet even mine are fearful that their kids may lose their jobs, hard earned houses, maybe even marriages.
But for the trust fun babies, it's business as usual only they wont get caught in the rain running for the luas and they can sleep in now too.
I'm sure it suits some of the Incels out there anyway, working from home.

Don't Chute!

I see my local forum on Facebook is back with the sanctimonious “everyone’s a bastarding granny murderer apart from me” posts again. Most of them with the usual “I was in town today and saw loads of other people in town but I’m allowed to be there and they are not” hypocritical bull****. It had stopped for a while but it’s back with a vengeance.

Gael23

nj27 wrote: »

Wonder if there will be a raft of suicides with people locked down, isolated and out of work during the darkest part of the year!

Quite probably. We can’t keep living like this with no clear way forward

SusieBlue

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I see my local forum on Facebook is back with the sanctimonious “everyone’s a bastarding granny murderer apart from me” posts again. Most of them with the usual “I was in town today and saw loads of other people in town but I’m allowed to be there and they are not” hypocritical bull****. It had stopped for a while but it’s back with a vengeance.

Someone on mine is highly affronted, calling for M&S & Iceland to be boycotted and cancelled immediately because they are encouraging rowdy parties and New Year’s Eve events by continuing to sell party food this week.
Apparently having a few cocktail sausages and mini quiches on the shelves counts as encouraging mass gatherings & promotes breaking the restrictions.
They need to be taken off the market at once, before any more members of the public are duped into thinking they’re allowed to have project X style soirées despite tonight’s announcement.
It’s an absolute disgrace, so selfish, etc etc.

If it wasn’t so depressing it would be hilarious.

franciscanpunk

HBC08 wrote: »

I'm guessing parkrun or something similar?
I loved parkrun and was involved in organising too until about 18 months ago where I had to step back for health reasons.
It would be great to run it but these are not usual times,do you understand that?
I realise it can be reasoned that outdoor stuff is not dangerous (I subscribe to this mysellf) but surely you can see (especially from threads like this) that we need the hammer approach Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots about and we need to incorporate that.

Agree it probably it is parkrun, something I really miss, a great reason to have an alcohol free weekend and eat clean all week. The organisers of parkrun, not the local volunteers who organise each event brilliantly, but the actual UK CEO(if that's what he calls himself maybe director) who runs it overall organisation was interviewed on a Podcast I listened to earlier this year. In short he is no rush to get back anyway, he would love too but my take on his interview was he knows how much positive impact the runs have on people's mental/physical health but that was not enough justification for opening them if there was a danger to people's health from the virus that they deemed too much too risk. I think they planned on getting going again in January '21 but this was few months ago and a lot has changed so I'd say even next summer would be a stretch from what he was saying.

Obviously a parkrun this weekend would not be an appropriate idea but during the summer 2020 it would have been totally appropriate IMO. I would really like to see them back as soon as possible as they were a great source of enjoyable exercise to many and a social outlet but after the precedent we have set last summer(at times very minimal cases and lots of restrictions and an environment where people were made feel guilty about anything organised ) how can we justify opening anything at all going forward, cases would need to be almost zero for along time based on previous actions. (that's 2022 territory I feel, though I don't totally agree)

patnor1011

Penfailed wrote: »

Nor is England. That's not my point though. I don't know of anywhere that started injecting people the same day the vaccines arrived in the country.

Then it seems you do not know much.
Germany, Hungary and Slovakia started way before pompous Ursula statement. They started injecting people right after first doses were offloaded from trucks. Rest of the EU fell in line waiting for Ursula von der Leyen “moment of unity” speech.
And we waited even longer. Just in case you know?

Ted_YNWA

Mod

Let's keep masks & water charges chat in their own threads.

patnor1011

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Mod

Let's keep masks & water charges chat in their own threads.

Point taken. It was just comparison. Is Greta comparison allowed? Like her protests started with 10's of people too and ended up with thousands. Science was confused too in that case as it was warming one day and cooling the other so it was "settled" as climate change.
Here too - we see covid "raging" through most of the western world but it is not all that bad as it seems it helped mankind to eradicate flu. Height of flu season and we see next to no cases. Or perhaps people learned to hide it better as very few can afford to get ordered home for 2 weeks mostly without pay if it is just a flu or cold they get.
Science here gets changed nearly daily with a lot of scientists pro and a lot of them anti lockdown.

Don't Chute!

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I see my local forum on Facebook is back with the sanctimonious “everyone’s a bastarding granny murderer apart from me” posts again. Most of them with the usual “I was in town today and saw loads of other people in town but I’m allowed to be there and they are not” hypocritical bull****. It had stopped for a while but it’s back with a vengeance.

Yep and wait till RTÉ and Newstalk radio stir it up again by having a daily rant over video on social media , some group breaking “the rules”.......complete with video!
Maybe it will be a family in a supermarket together without masks, a few people together walking their dogs, some swimmers leaving the beach, teenagers outside the chipper , a couple of mums letting their kids play while they have a chat in the park. Wait for the outrage all over again , people foaming at the mouth.

Then later in the evening RTÉ News/ Prime Time /Claire Byrne/Ciara Kelly and their report and analysis of what happened stirring it up even more . This happened consistently throughout most of last year but particularly in harder lockdowns ,......predictable and depressing as we head into another lockdown.
It’s creates diversity and a “them versus us” scenario that gets totally blown out of proportion ! If most of us stick to guidelines as much as possible and mind our own business (!!) numbers will come down anyway .

Our national broadcaster and others needs to take more responsibility for actual news this time round, less scaremongering, less doom and gloom, less George Lee .

Multipass

PTH2009 wrote: »

Let's hope not and hope the powers that be have every support/service available too help people through it

That’s a joke - the largest private mental health service has just increased its prices by 25%.
Think about that....25% in one step. In lockdown. They never returned to face to face appointments either, since March.

patnor1011

Isnt whole restrictions and lockdowns argument based on argument that we need to prevent spread caused by mainly asymptomatic carriers?

According to this study Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 didn’t occur at all.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

WUHAN, China, December 23, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – A study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan, China, found that asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 did not occur at all, thus undermining the need for lockdowns, which are built on the premise of the virus being unwittingly spread by infectious, asymptomatic people.

Published in November in the scientific journal Nature Communications, the paper was compiled by 19 scientists, mainly from the Huazhong University of Science and Technology in Wuhan, but also from scientific institutions across China as well as in the U.K. and Australia. It focused on the residents of Wuhan, ground zero for COVID-19, where 9,899,828 people took part in a screening program between May 14 and June 1, which provided clear results as to the possibility of any asymptomatic transmission of the virus.

Asymptomatic transmission has been the underlying justification of lockdowns enforced all across the world. The most recent guidance from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) still states that the virus “can be spread by people who do not have symptoms.” In fact, the CDC claimed that asymptomatic people “are estimated to account for more than 50 percent of transmissions.”

U.K. Health Secretary Matt Hancock also promoted this message, explaining that the concept of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 led to the U.K. advocating masks and referring to the “problem of asymptomatic transmission.”

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However, the new study in Nature Communications, titled “Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly 10 million residents of Wuhan, China,” debunked the concept of asymptomatic transmission.

It stated that out of the nearly 10 million people in the study, “300 asymptomatic cases” were found. Contact tracing was then carried out and of those 300, no cases of COVID-19 were detected in any of them. “A total of 1,174 close contacts of the asymptomatic positive cases were traced, and they all tested negative for the COVID-19.”

Both the asymptomatic patients and their contacts were placed in isolation for two weeks, and after the fortnight, the results remained the same. “None of detected positive cases or their close contacts became symptomatic or newly confirmed with COVID-19 during the isolation period.”

Further evidence showed that “virus cultures” in the positive and repositive asymptomatic cases were all negative, “indicating no ‘viable virus' in positive cases detected in this study.”

Ages of those found to be asymptomatic ranged between 10 and 89, with the asymptomatic positive rate being “lowest in children or adolescents aged 17 and below” and highest rate found among people older than 60.

The study also made the realization that due to a weakening of the virus itself, “newly infected persons were more likely to be asymptomatic and with a lower viral load than earlier infected cases.”

storker

acequion wrote: »

And I've gone to marvelling at how bitter and how people hating some people really are.

Well this is certainly the thread for bitterness and hate...

Gael23

Multipass wrote: »

That’s a joke - the largest private mental health service has just increased its prices by 25%.
Think about that....25% in one step. In lockdown. They never returned to face to face appointments either, since March.

Who is this?

GazzaL

Today will mark the day many businesses will close their doors for the final time, never to re-open again. Spare a thought for those facing into the new year, locked down and losing their jobs and businesses. What makes it even more tragic is that it is a result of needless economic vandalism by NPHET. At least the members of NPHET will sleep easy tonight receiving full pay.

DellyBelly

Just ba k from the local shops and despite the level 5 restrictions there were at least 2 people not wearing a mask.. I despair sometimes. People are so selfish..

DellyBelly

DellyBelly wrote: »

Just ba k from the local shops and despite the level 5 restrictions there were at least 2 people not wearing a mask.. I despair sometimes. People are so selfish..

I dunno, at this stage would you just not get over it and move on? Dont let it bother you I mean? Its 9am on New Years Eve when half the country is probably still in bed. Maybe one of them forgot their mask, didn't have a spare? Maybe the other is unable to wear masks for some reason? Maybe that's exactly WHY they went to the shop early?? You are always going to see this, its beyond tiresome to keep banging on about it.
TBH I have never seen anything but 100% compliance in all shops where I am (Drogheda), all supermarkets and smaller local ones. Everyone wears them.

However one day I was in Adare having driven to visit a vulnerable family member in Level 3 and went into the local Mace to buy things for them and I had no mask, none in the car, none in my pocket, I had left them in a different bag at home. I had to buy one and they were up at the checkout. I apologized to the girl on the checkout and all was good and I got my mask for the next time.

Please please don't start with all this crap again about how awful people are. None of us know their circumstances. Its only Day 1 of this and already I'm tired. If most of us obey the restrictions, mind our own business, stop reporting on social media about the people who "seem" to be breaking the rules, then life would be easier for the next few months.