Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

billybonkers

Phased lifting of Level 5: Inter-county travel could open up a few days before Christmas

https://www.thejournal.ie/level-5-cabinet-5277357-Nov2020/

paw patrol

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Unlikely. If you can recall from the recent election, the electorate flat out rejected right wing nuts, in favour of left wing populists (SF and Greens) mixed with our typical centrist (FF and FG) parties.

this is true but perhaps the appetite will have changed. If covid has taught us anything its that there is little leadership in Leinster House.
even the opposition played it safe with only basic challenges to the government. Sinn Fein have behaved disgracefully with regard to covid - leaders of the opposition mehole...

If you had told me at the last election that Mattie McGrath would be the lightening rod of libertarian style values in Ireland I'd have laughed.
Now I'm his biggest fan.
These are unprecedented times - hopefully some change will come from it.

Fodla

rusty cole wrote: »

I actually think it's gone beyond scary at this stage between Twitter leaks, goalposts being moved, age and profiles being omitted and now being told that you cannot have people round at Xmas unless they're on the guest list sanctioned by NPHET this is checkpoint charlie sort of stuff now, I may as well hit the steroids, get a vest and an eyepatch and change my name to snake!

I really am starting to wonder WTF is goin on now and how we're being dragged down deeper by these sharks, I really believe Tony has been given a goal or a job to do with carte blanche and to hell with normal people.

He's worried that there's now a finger pointing culture but funnily enough now he wasnt bothered when the fingers were being pointed at you and I, god forbid we should extend our own digits and point in the direction of Dublin 4, MONTROSE!

anyone who's not happy should vote with their remote control on Friday!! dont pay their wages..keep your TV off RTE and go download scrooge or anything that really takes you away from it all. The Late Late toy show always reminds me of the fairground scene in Pinocchio anyway...sinister with a wide eyed top hat wearing Tubridy up on a high!

I know, but still people continue to believe that this is about a virus.

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

this is true but perhaps the appetite will have changed. If covid has taught us anything its that there is little leadership in Leinster House.


even the opposition played it safe with only basic challenges to the government. Shin fein have behaved disgracefully with regard to covid - leaders of the opposition mehole...

If you had told me at the last election that Mattie McGrath would be the lightening rod of the libertarian style values in Ireland I'd have laughed.
Now I'm his biggest fan.
These are unprecedented times - hopefully some change will come from it.

Mcgrath might seem small minded but at least he sees the big picture. The rest have a "Tony will show us the way" mindset.. The GOVT are terrified to deviate at all because if the numbers spiral, the Tony cronies in RTE will say I told you so and make them look like they've just ignored the electrician who came to wire their house... The problem is Tony will wire your house and cause a blackout in the neighborhood while he's carrying out the work. Indefinitely!!!
One house fixed, at the price of a neighborhood!

facehugger99

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

In a few years they'll be able to do table quizzes where you have to spot the real headline from a Waterford Whisperer's one.

It's concerning to think there are fully grown adults who are taking this nonsense as gospel.

mikekerry

facehugger99 wrote: »

In a few years they'll be able to do table quizzes where you have to spot the real headline from a Waterford Whisperer's one.

It's concerning to think there are fully grown adults who are taking this nonsense as gospel.

Yeah Waterford whispers popped into the head reading this.
What is more terrifying is why he and others are not called out on this by the media.
This stuff is on the front of main stream web sites and newspapers.
It's unbelievable.

Thats me

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

My uncle being one who came off his bike and wasn't let home because he kept pulling the neck brace off in his sleep. He then caught covid in there as did 6 others in his non covid ward.

Have he and 6 others caught covid in hospital or just had no symptoms when admitted and one of them shared infection to others?

normanoffside

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Pffft 2 bn a month to keep the lights on.

Pocket money

That’s only a children’s hospital a month

Only about €8000 since March for every adult working in Ireland

I can’t see a need for austerity

You could build a Metro every month with that money.
That's something which has been kicked down the road for decades because of costs and it would actually improve the country, traffic, road deaths, wealth etc.

average_runner

Looks like Europe is getting tough also

In Germany, groups of 10 will be allowed to meet starting December 23 - but the country will be plunged into a strict lockdown starting December 1 to prepare, with firework displays banned over New Year.

Meanwhile Italians have been warned to expect a 'sober' holiday season without 'hugging, kissing or parties' but have been told that gift-giving will still be allowed.

While Belgium has yet to outline its rules for the festive period, interior minister Annelies Verlinden warned this week that police will be 'knocking on doors' to enforce the law - saying they would be on the lookout for 'noise pollution, large groups of people, and many cars in front of doors.'

In Spain, a draft proposal leaked to the press suggests that Christmas gatherings will be limited to a maximum of six people while a 1am curfew will be in place on New Year's Eve.

Meanwhile Emmanuel Macron is expected to address the French tonight to outline his plans going into the New Year, but has already warned that people cannot expect life to return to normal until 2021 at the earliest.

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

Looks like Europe is getting tough also

In Germany, groups of 10 will be allowed to meet starting December 23 - but the country will be plunged into a strict lockdown starting December 1 to prepare, with firework displays banned over New Year.

Meanwhile Italians have been warned to expect a 'sober' holiday season without 'hugging, kissing or parties' but have been told that gift-giving will still be allowed.

While Belgium has yet to outline its rules for the festive period, interior minister Annelies Verlinden warned this week that police will be 'knocking on doors' to enforce the law - saying they would be on the lookout for 'noise pollution, large groups of people, and many cars in front of doors.'

In Spain, a draft proposal leaked to the press suggests that Christmas gatherings will be limited to a maximum of six people while a 1am curfew will be in place on New Year's Eve.

Meanwhile Emmanuel Macron is expected to address the French tonight to outline his plans going into the New Year, but has already warned that people cannot expect life to return to normal until 2021 at the earliest.

Why always 6 ????? the rule of 666......:eek:

VonLuck

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Sweden doubled their ICU capacity over the summer.

And how exactly would Ireland do the same? Creating beds is not the issue, but to my limited medical knowledge, you need anaesthesiologists to actually 'man' the ICU units. You can't just make them appear. Takes years of training.

Mr. Karate

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Unlikely. If you can recall from the recent election, the electorate flat out rejected right wing nuts, in favour of left wing populists (SF and Greens) mixed with our typical centrist (FF and FG) parties.

The Irish are called Paddy Last for a reason.

billybonkers wrote:

Phased lifting of Level 5: Inter-county travel could open up a few days before Christmas

https://www.thejournal.ie/level-5-ca...77357-Nov2020/

What benevolent dictators we have.

Rrrrrr2

VonLuck wrote: »

And how exactly would Ireland do the same? Creating beds is not the issue, but to my limited medical knowledge, you need anaesthesiologists to actually 'man' the ICU units. You can't just make them appear. Takes years of training.

Well how did Sweden manage it?

Mr. Karate

dalyboy wrote: »

So you only trust the “experts” that suit yours or the media’s narrative?

Most of the experts we've been hearing from all year have been wrong the whole time. They deserve to be criticized at this point.

Micky 32

average_runner wrote: »

Looks like Europe is getting tough also

In Germany, groups of 10 will be allowed to meet starting December 23 - but the country will be plunged into a strict lockdown starting December 1 to prepare, with firework displays banned over New Year.

Meanwhile Italians have been warned to expect a 'sober' holiday season without 'hugging, kissing or parties' but have been told that gift-giving will still be allowed.

While Belgium has yet to outline its rules for the festive period, interior minister Annelies Verlinden warned this week that police will be 'knocking on doors' to enforce the law - saying they would be on the lookout for 'noise pollution, large groups of people, and many cars in front of doors.'

In Spain, a draft proposal leaked to the press suggests that Christmas gatherings will be limited to a maximum of six people while a 1am curfew will be in place on New Year's Eve.

Meanwhile Emmanuel Macron is expected to address the French tonight to outline his plans going into the New Year, but has already warned that people cannot expect life to return to normal until 2021 at the earliest.

It will be great seeing posts like this disappear into the sunset when the vaccines get rolled out.

watlantic

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

'Fawlty Towers' Episode 13: ''Don't Pass The Gravy Boat''

...and ''stick'' (sic) grandad in the cold draughty corner under the open window.

Lucky Luke (aka The Mad Professor) appears to be on a gravy train now.
Lucky Luke, the man who ''can shoot faster than his own shadow'', in his own foot maybe,
and wishing you all a Sterile Christmas And A Fearful New Year.


:o:o
Sorry, but I just couldn't resist it.

_Kaiser_

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

What in the absolute fook.... ????!!!

"Stick grandpa by the window and have a good breeze blowing through, and this will really decrease the risk, so it is possible to have a Christmas together," Prof O'Neill said.

Ah that's grand. He can die of pneumonia instead! Cheers Luke! :rolleyes:

BeefeaterHat

VonLuck wrote: »

And how exactly would Ireland do the same? Creating beds is not the issue, but to my limited medical knowledge, you need anaesthesiologists to actually 'man' the ICU units. You can't just make them appear. Takes years of training.

Maybe if we didn't train our doctors and nurses for export and got them to stay by giving them decent equipment and working conditions rather than the usual Irish farce. All we ever seem to talk about is what we can't do

BeefeaterHat

Micky 32 wrote: »

It will be great seeing posts like this disappear into the sunset when the vaccines get rolled out.

We'll be dead last to see the back of them because of the inept shower at the HSE

bush

mikekerry wrote: »

Bring your own dinnerware folks.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

WoW

Ginger n Lemon

Has anyone found with 2020 that a new day can still surprise you and bring some of the most idiotic, beyond imagination news?

Stick grandpa by the window at the end of December?

This is what TV licence goes towards?

I always knew Ireland lagged 20 - 40 years behind rest of EU countries, but I am fearful with the last 8 months showing, its more like 50 - 80 years behind.

ixoy

It's Christmas 2020!

VonLuck

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Well how did Sweden manage it?

I was reading an article which said that "They mainly had to rely on staff who already worked in intensive care, but a small number of retired staff and staff from other parts of the hospital were able to help out. They also received help from other regions, for example healthcare staff from Blekinge and Örebro."

Bear in mind was specifically about the Mälarsjukhuset Hospital but assume that this applied to most hospitals.

Essentially they were relying on staff that was already available. We don't have that luxury.

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Maybe if we didn't train our doctors and nurses for export and got them to stay by giving them decent equipment and working conditions rather than the usual Irish farce. All we ever seem to talk about is what we can't do

Well that's all well and good, but what can be done now? Sure the HSE has been poorly run but complaining about it won't get us through the pandemic. Unfortunately the public has to take up the slack as the health service can literally do nothing to improve ICU capacity at this point in time.

Ginger n Lemon

There is likely to be disappointment for sports fans as next month’s All-Ireland football and hurling finals will have to take place behind close doors.

While a plan to allow greater number of fans to attend matches in large stadia are being developed by Arts and Sports Minister Catherine Martin, government sources have made clear they will not be ready until the New Year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40088498.html

Taking over 7 full months now to develop plans to allow greater number of fans to attend Croke park, that has casual capacity of 80,000 + amongst other stadiums.

We are afterall, Irish. :rolleyes:

Also

“Pubs will not be able to use the empty pizza box or the chipper next door as a means of staying open,” said one minister.

Ahhhh the classic. Yes, ofcourse, food from the chipper doesnt protect vs covid. it has to be made in the actual pub to have any chance of fighting the spread. Absolute cretins.

Micky 32

This should keep a certain cohort on here happy and drooling at the mouths. On the spot fines are now in force. Just in time for xmas the 100 euro on the spot fine for travelling.

BeefeaterHat

VonLuck wrote: »

I was reading an article which said that "They mainly had to rely on staff who already worked in intensive care, but a small number of retired staff and staff from other parts of the hospital were able to help out. They also received help from other regions, for example healthcare staff from Blekinge and Örebro."

Bear in mind was specifically about the Mälarsjukhuset Hospital but assume that this applied to most hospitals.

Essentially they were relying on staff that was already available. We don't have that luxury.



Well that's all well and good, but what can be done now? Sure the HSE has been poorly run but complaining about it won't get us through the pandemic. Unfortunately the public has to take up the slack as the health service can literally do nothing to improve ICU capacity at this point in time.

Fair enough there's nothing that can be done now but the HSE and government should be getting flack for it rather than having the press spouting nonsense about car parks and take away pints.

BeefeaterHat

Micky 32 wrote: »

This should keep a certain cohort on here happy and drooling at the mouths. On the spot fines are now in force.

A nice public flogging will really titillate the eternal lockdown crew. Maybe a weekend in the stocks too.

Ginger n Lemon

VonLuck wrote: »

Well that's all well and good, but what can be done now? Sure the HSE has been poorly run but complaining about it won't get us through the pandemic. Unfortunately the public has to take up the slack as the health service can literally do nothing to improve ICU capacity at this point in time.

Great point. We should do the opposite - praise HSE?

Sure why not. Its not like there are more pandemics coming down the road. Lets just start reducing our ICU beds what the hell why not? Doesnt matter like. You are suggesting we shouldnt complain. We probably shouldnt even discuss it? Ah shure, we are Irish, shi*e everywhere.

Rrrrrr2

average_runner wrote: »

Looks like Europe is getting tough also

In Germany, groups of 10 will be allowed to meet starting December 23 - but the country will be plunged into a strict lockdown starting December 1 to prepare, with firework displays banned over New Year.

Meanwhile Italians have been warned to expect a 'sober' holiday season without 'hugging, kissing or parties' but have been told that gift-giving will still be allowed.

While Belgium has yet to outline its rules for the festive period, interior minister Annelies Verlinden warned this week that police will be 'knocking on doors' to enforce the law - saying they would be on the lookout for 'noise pollution, large groups of people, and many cars in front of doors.'

In Spain, a draft proposal leaked to the press suggests that Christmas gatherings will be limited to a maximum of six people while a 1am curfew will be in place on New Year's Eve.

Meanwhile Emmanuel Macron is expected to address the French tonight to outline his plans going into the New Year, but has already warned that people cannot expect life to return to normal until 2021 at the earliest.

Going down a storm on the Continent alright. Lapping up their new “lifesaving” overlords
https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1330843825015840769?s=21

Captain_Crash

VonLuck wrote: »

Essentially they were relying on staff that was already available. We don't have that luxury.

Wasn’t there a big recruitment drive for healthcare staff working abroad to come home, only for no positions to be made available??