Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

stateofflux

dwainec wrote: »

A curfew may well work. Then again, maybe they should implement level 5 properly first and see if that works

Be too difficult to enforce here. Won't happen. Guards wont want the negative PR neither when they are trying to gain public trust again.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I see this thread still produces classics :pac:

I wonder if you realize if entire 4,900,000 population would follow your advice our suicides would sky rocket. Its not good for mental health to be acting the way you are suggesting, for MONTHS on end.

That advice is only good if you want 0 covid. However if you also want 0 suicides, 0 cancer deaths, 0 deaths from missed hospital appointments etc. that advice is in fact - horrible.

Yes, we’d all love if those illnesses were eradicated. However, I have to take issue with missed hospital appointments. I know a number of people who need regular hospital checkups for illnesses as varied as heart problems, broken bones and cancer. They have all continued with their appointments as usual, apart from the fact that they are given a time and that time is adhered to. They enter the hospital 10 minutes before their appointment, check in at the entrance, go directly to the treatment room, are seen immediately and leave. Minimal contact with others. These are public patients.
Until all are vaccinated, it IS a good idea to proceed with caution, believing that you and your contacts have the virus.

klose

Curfew chat is nonsense, all you are doing is pushing more people into shops etc in a shorter time frame, higher volume of people in shops/ques= more transmission

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you suggesting this is a more balanced articulation of opinions?

Haven't been in there since very early on but I'd imagine this thread is more balanced, yes. You've the two extremes and everything in between catered for here...

Richard Hillman

dwainec wrote: »

I didn't say that! I said it would be good if level 5 was actually implemented. Not a free for all click and collect bull.... And shops buying in high Viz jackets and boots so they can open as they're now "essential"

I said here yesterday that I work in a place of over 500 people. We must have had 100,000 people through the doors over December and there were 0 outbreaks within the store. And we all not behind plexiglass for the day. Mask wearing was pretty much near 100% with 1 or 2 people asked to leave. Social distancing was impossible but still, no members of staff contracted it.

It was the exact same in the sister store across the city.

I would find it absolutely astounding if Customers were spreading the virus amongst themselves over the month and absolutely no staff members ending up getting it.

These retail theories have absolutely zilch credibility.

Penfailed

PTH2009 wrote: »

So are all our hospitals like a scene from an apocalyptic movie ?

Yeah, according to this thread, they're all like 28 Days Later...no one is in them. I don't believe that for a second...but here we are.

the kelt

According to Eamon Ryan we may need to go to a 2k restriction if level 5 isn’t enough but schools to open as planned and non essential hospital procedures to be postponed.

Yep that’s going to make all the difference!

iamwhoiam

the kelt wrote: »

According to Eamon Ryan we may need to go to a 2k restriction if level 5 isn’t enough but schools to open as planned and non essential hospital procedures to be postponed.

Yep that’s going to make all the difference!

I genuinely cant see the logical difference between 2 and 5 kms .Maybe I am missing something vital ?

the kelt

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah, according to this thread, they're all like 28 Days Later...no one is in them. I don't believe that for a second...but here we are.

And according to others COVID is something akin to the actual plague that’s in 28 days later!

(Off topic mind but what a film though)

Pitch n Putt

klose wrote: »

Curfew chat is nonsense, all you are doing is pushing more people into shops etc in a shorter time frame, higher volume of people in shops/ques= more transmission

Agreed curfew is ridiculous talk.

It’s simple now really. Numbers all over the place in wrong direction.

This is now what needs to be done

Shutdown everything back to March levels and even above it for 3 weeks

Stop pretending we’re in a level 5 lockdown as we’re not. Too many people and businesses self appointed as essential.

Stay 5k from your home but travel wherever you like for work and mix with any amount of people.

Can’t visit others homes but we can mix 20-30 plus houses in classrooms.

Give up the bull talk about schools not being an issue regarding the spread of the virus.

It’s at a point now where we either shut it all down or shut nothing down.

This pissing around with a half arsed level 5 will do nothing to the numbers for 6-8 weeks.

It’s like trying to take off a plaster bit by bit. RIP it off and be damed.
The pain will be sharp but quicker than the pain of the slow peel off.

Sofa King Great

ElektroToad wrote: »

I would've thought the health service is doing fine comparatively speaking?

I mean everyone knows that over last 10 years or so, we would have 400 or 500+ patients at any given time on trolleys in overrun hospitals due during our winter flu season.

This year we've no such trolley crisis. Instead we have couple of dozen in ICU (admitted for whatever reason, mind you!) And yet apparently we are told our health system cannot cope is about to collapse?

Does not compute???

The pubs/nightclubs are closed, there are no team sports and there are less cars on the roads. All those things would be contributory factors to people attending accident and emergency in other years. Also, lots of them wouldn't need long term care. Now most people admitted will be in hospital for longer periods and require more treatment

the kelt

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I genuinely cant see the logical difference between 2 and 5 kms .Maybe I am missing something vital ?

You and me both, basically it seems the plan is to allow over 1million people back to mingle and congregate in towns and villages around the entire country for hours on end every day most of the time with no social distancing or masks but stop anyone going for a jog more than 2k from their house!

I mean they are either serious about lockdown or not.

Lundstram

Eamon Ryan now saying there's a possibility of a 2km exercise restriction coming in to lower the numbers, schools as of now reopen on the 11th, he also said all non-essential medical treatments to be postponed to help with possible capacity issues in out hospitals.

We all know running or cycling beyond 2km is the main cause of the spread, cop onto yourselves!

66% of transmissions are caused by hospitals and nursing homes but good old lettuce lover, Eamon believes its the people out excersising need taken to task.

Absolute spoofer that man. Anyone who voted for that man in the last election should be ashamed of themselves.

They think nothing exists outside of Dublin.

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

According to Eamon Ryan we may need to go to a 2k restriction if level 5 isn’t enough but schools to open as planned and non essential hospital procedures to be postponed.

Yep that’s going to make all the difference!

If we are hitting 6000 cases a day with contact tracing and testing buckled schools ain't opening.

Unions will order a work to rule if governance insist on opening them up.

Lundstram

Boggles wrote: »

If we are hitting 6000 cases a day with contact tracing and testing buckled schools ain't opening.

Unions will order a work to rule if governance insist on opening them up.

In that case, put them all on PUP. They wouldn't be long going back then. Easy to shout from the roof tops while getting full pay to sit on their arses at home.

JRant

tdf7187 wrote: »

The borrowing is not an issue and I wish people who are sceptics of the government's current strategy would stop bringing it up. The Central Bank should, as per David McWilliams, be authorised to hand out cheques to everyone, as the US are doing. Those who keep on about the borrowing don't understand basic macroeconomics and the fact that the public finances are in a relatively healthy state with governments around the world keeping interest rates at near zero and Ireland's credit ratings being hugely improved since the financial crisis.

Unemployment, as you've stated, and mental health issues - these are the issues you should be highlighting.

Talk about not understanding the issue. Borrow at our levels is most certainly an issue. We have no control over our currency unlike the US. And, as soon as inflation starts to rise then the Germans will have that interest rate raised quicker than you can say "nien".

FintanMcluskey

Lundstram wrote: »

Eamon Ryan now saying there's a possibility of a 2km exercise restriction coming in to lower the numbers, schools as of now reopen on the 11th, he also said all non-essential medical treatments to be postponed to help with possible capacity issues in out hospitals.

We all know running or cycling beyond 2km is the main cause of the spread, cop onto yourselves!

66% of transmissions are caused by hospitals and nursing homes but good old lettuce lover, Eamon believes its the people out excersising need taken to task.

Absolute spoofer that man. Anyone who voted for that man in the last election should be ashamed of themselves.

They think nothing exists outside of Dublin.

The community transmission is not the issue

It’s the most costly to suppress of course

Allinall

JRant wrote: »

Talk about not understanding the issue. Borrow at our levels is most certainly an issue. We have no control over our currency unlike the US. And, as soon as inflation starts to rise then the Germans will have that interest rate raised quicker than you can say "nien".

Why do you think inflation will start to rise?

paw patrol

Sofa King Great wrote: »

The pubs/nightclubs are closed, there are no team sports and there are less cars on the roads. All those things would be contributory factors to people attending accident and emergency in other years. Also, lots of them wouldn't need long term care. Now most people admitted will be in hospital for longer periods and require more treatment

what you're saying is true.


But that would mean they are doing lockdown - for the 3rd time let us not forget - and the hospitals are doing fine.
So this pain is for a "just in case scenario" - lockdown is the nuclear option shouldn't be used for "just in case"


and of course the elephant in room that no government official nor media person talks about.
Is this a case of 3rd time lucky or more realistically lockdown isn't a solution.
It's just anything to be seen to do something. We are a year into Covid and they have no new solution and of course not mentioning the years of planning for a pandemic ? this is their best idea? seems a bit lame especially after 2 attempts.



Vaccines won't stop covid19 , the WHO say as much.
and lockdowns just delay the inevitable unless of course this level 5 is the new world order.


So what is it?

GazzaL

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I said here yesterday that I work in a place of over 500 people. We must have had 100,000 people through the doors over December and there were 0 outbreaks within the store. And we all not behind plexiglass for the day. Mask wearing was pretty much near 100% with 1 or 2 people asked to leave. Social distancing was impossible but still, no members of staff contracted it.

It was the exact same in the sister store across the city.

I would find it absolutely astounding if Customers were spreading the virus amongst themselves over the month and absolutely no staff members ending up getting it.

These retail theories have absolutely zilch credibility.

The dogs in the street know that the spread has happened from people socialising in private homes, plus in nursing homes, hospitals, and healthcare facilities.

What do people do at Christmas time? They socialise. In private homes. It's not a ****ing mystery as to why cases have increased.

The people calling for the army to patrol the streets and shoot-on-sight anyone breaking a nonsensical 6pm curfew need to be carted off to their nearest psychiatric hospital.

C__MC

In fairness the exercise radius is some load of ****e
I'd say now you would need to be a Saint to follow it

Lundstram

I see Israel have said they plan to have 2 million of their people vaccinated by the end of the month. Ireland hope to have 70,000 done by the end of Febuary.

Sweet Jesus we are screwed for 2021 with these morons running the show.

CruelSummer

Allinall wrote: »

Why do you think inflation will start to rise?

It's a product of quantitative easing type measures that all the currencies of the western world are currently engaged in. For historical purposes, think Germany after World War 1, and what happened to them which led to World War 2. Their currency became worthless. I'm sure the German's will keep a lid on this. But US dollar is falling against the Euro for this reason currently. Most Central Banks know how to manipulate the system to a degree and keep things relatively stable.

everlast75

GazzaL wrote: »

The dogs in the street know that the spread has happened from people socialising in private homes, plus in nursing homes, hospitals, and healthcare facilities.

What do people do at Christmas time? They socialise. In private homes. It's not a ****ing mystery as to why cases have increased.

Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions then, instead of pointing out government mistakes and using that to excuse going on the piss or having sessions with 20 people in a ****ing room?

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

66% of transmissions are caused by hospitals and nursing homes

are you just making up figures or do you have anything to support that?

Micky 32

paw patrol wrote: »

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Vaccines won't stop covid19 , the WHO say as much.

I do laugh at these BS posts. It’s akin to the other BS i saw posted months back like “ there won’t be a vaccine” “ vaccines are a pipedream” vaccines are a carrot on a stick” bollix.

The vaccine won’t eradicate the virus but it will protect people from getting it and/or preventing serious illness. Once a good portion of poplulations receive it normality will resume and lockdowns will cease.

Graham

paw patrol wrote: »

the elephant in room that no government official nor media person talks about.
Is this a case of 3rd time lucky or more realistically lockdown isn't a solution.

You appear to be confused as to the purpose of a lockdown.

It is not a 'solution'. It was never proposed as a 'solution'.

It is a way of keeping hospitalisations at a level which our health services can cope with.

the kelt

everlast75 wrote: »

Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions then, instead of pointing out government mistakes and using that to excuse going on the piss or having sessions with 20 people in a ****ing room?

Cant they do both? It doesn’t have to be one or the other. There’s a polarisation where people are compelled to blame their neighbour solely for the situation and likewise where others just blame the government, powers that be etc.

Take responsibility for their own actions and point out government mistakes both is which are reasons for an escalation situation

Pitch n Putt

Graham wrote: »

You appear to be confused as to the purpose of a lockdown.

It is not a 'solution'. It was never proposed as a 'solution'.

It is a way of keeping hospitalisations at a level which our health services can cope with.

Looking like close to zero is the number our hospitals can cope with ...

Around 5 million people in the country and our hospitals are under pressure with 500 people in them despite billions and billions wasted year on year.

Sad sad story.

Solar2021

Lundstram wrote: »

I see Israel have said they plan to have 2 million of their people vaccinated by the end of the month. Ireland hope to have 70,000 done by the end of Febuary.

Sweet Jesus we are screwed for 2021 with these morons running the show.

Hire clowns, get a circus

While our EU overlords we're haggling on prices

Israel paid asking price and bought up a massive supply

US and UK stepped in then and we got the leftovers