Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

JRant

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Have you heard of a new thing they're currently distributing, I think it's called a vakseen or a vaccine or something...?

Unfortunately it seems they are distributing it by slow boat.

RobitTV

Here are a few comments from Facebook I read tonight from the 'Nokia text messaging association'

"Omg hun xx da deadliyy virus is runnin out controle and these bloodiiy ppl are goin arund spreadin da virus and dey are killin ppl"

"FOR CHRIST SAKE THEY NEED TO BLOCKADE THE AIRPORTS AND PORTS AND ARREST THOSE WHO TRY TO ENTER"

"I BLAME CHRISTMAS AND THE SELFISH PEOPLE COMING HOME, SHOULD BE ON TRIAL (3x angry face)

Boggles

Copy and pasting facebook comments?

/thread.

JRant

RobitTV wrote: »

Here are a few comments from Facebook I read tonight from the 'Nokia text messaging association'

"Omg hun xx da deadliyy virus is runnin out controle and these bloodiiy ppl are goin arund spreadin da virus and dey are killin ppl"

"FOR CHRIST SAKE THEY NEED TO BLOCKADE THE AIRPORTS AND PORTS AND ARREST THOSE WHO TRY TO ENTER"

"I BLAME CHRISTMAS AND THE SELFISH PEOPLE COMING HOME, SHOULD BE ON TRIAL (3x angry face)

Leave Facebook alone, where else are all those people that can't spell supposed to congregate.

Don't Chute!

I actually forgot this ****ing classic posted by a friend of mine today:

“Guess who is open to do your hair, nails and eyebrows?
THE FUNERAL HOME
if you want an appointment, keep running around”.

Astonishing. As someone else said on here a few times it’s a social media pandemic.

Graham

46 Long wrote: »

Ahem

I'm sure you're making a good point.

Darned if I can tell what it is though.

Added,

Ohhh hang on,

We're pretending a covid pandemic is like flu season. Got it.

froog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The high numbers are an indication of how many would have had it during March and April but the testing wasn’t as widespread.

The numbers will tail off and the hospital numbers will stabilise quite quickly.

Some posters will end up with egg on face for the suggestions being made.

interesting. are you suggesting lockdowns work then?

SusieBlue

froog wrote: »

interesting. are you suggesting lockdowns work then?

Lockdowns work for only as long as we stay in lockdown. As soon as we lift them we’re back to square one. They are not a cure, merely a short term suppressant. I don’t believe yo-yoing in and out of them for the bones of a year is the sign of success.

froog

froog wrote: »

interesting. are you suggesting lockdowns work then?

If you can stay there indefinitely and keep the public onside.

Pretty unsustainable though.

Economy certainly won’t be bouncing back in 2021 as some suggested.

froog

SusieBlue wrote: »

Lockdowns work for only as long as we stay in lockdown.

yep, the point is to ease pressure on the hospitals while we wait for a vaccine. which has worked, twice. and will work a third time.

you seem to be under the impression that lockdowns were meant to eradicate the virus. they were not. we never pursued a zero covid strategy.

do people still not get this?

facehugger99

froog wrote: »

interesting. are you suggesting lockdowns work then?

In the same way that burning down a house solves a rodent infestation.

froog

Deleted User wrote: »

If you can stay there indefinitely and keep the public onside.

Pretty unsustainable though.

Economy certainly won’t be bouncing back in 2021 as some suggested.

the economy grew 3.4% in 2020.

froog

facehugger99 wrote: »

In the same way that burning down a house solves a rodent infestation.

so what's your alternative?

froog

froog wrote: »

the economy grew 3.4% in 2020.

Lol... ok.

Guess over 20% aren’t unemployed then...

SusieBlue

froog wrote: »

yep, the point is to ease pressure on the hospitals while we wait for a vaccine. which has worked, twice. and will work a third time.

you seem to be under the impression that lockdowns were meant to eradicate the virus. they were not. we never pursued a zero covid strategy.

do people still not get this?

Nope, the point of the lockdown was the flatten the curve to give the health system and government more time to prepare and get the house in order while the virus was still brand new.
They kept us in that first lockdown for just under 14 weeks before slowly easing it, and then decided to scrap all plans to live with the virus and abandoned plans to manage it via a competent health system, and just yo-yo in and out of lockdown ad nauseam.

They expect the public to accept this, even though it will mean indefinite separation from their loved ones, the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, severe financial distress, mental health issues, neglecting other health issues, and saying goodbye to life as we know it for 12+ months.

Lockdown was never ever supposed to be a contingency plan while we waited for a vaccine. We were told it was to give the HSE time to prepare, which they simply didn’t do. To flatten the curve.
Do people still not get this?

Windmill100000

A curfew is totally ott.

The lockdown will reduce numbers and when we open up again people will be shocked numbers rise. Cant believe anyone thinks lockdown is anything more than a temporary measure, a holding place till life opens up again.

And on it goes...

froog

SusieBlue wrote: »

Nope, the point of the lockdown was the flatten the curve to give the health system and government more time to prepare and get the house in order while the virus was still brand new.
They kept us in that first lockdown for just under 14 weeks and then decided to scrap all plans to live with the virus and abandon plans to manage it via a competent health system, and just yo-yo in and out of lockdown ad nauseam.

They expect the public to accept this, even though it will mean indefinite separation from their loved ones, the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, severe financial distress, mental health issues, neglecting other health issues, and saying goodbye to life as we know it for 12+ months.

Lockdown was never ever supposed to be a contingency plan while we waited for a vaccine. We were told it was to give the HSE time to prepare, which they simply didn’t do. To flatten the curve.
Do people still not get this?

whats your alternative to a series of lockdowns until we get the vaccines?

RobitTV

The next four weeks are crucial.

Don't Chute!

SusieBlue wrote: »

Nope, the point of the lockdown was the flatten the curve to give the health system and government more time to prepare and get the house in order while the virus was still brand new.
They kept us in that first lockdown for just under 14 weeks before slowly easing it, and then decided to scrap all plans to live with the virus and abandoned plans to manage it via a competent health system, and just yo-yo in and out of lockdown ad nauseam.

They expect the public to accept this, even though it will mean indefinite separation from their loved ones, the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, severe financial distress, mental health issues, neglecting other health issues, and saying goodbye to life as we know it for 12+ months.

Lockdown was never ever supposed to be a contingency plan while we waited for a vaccine. We were told it was to give the HSE time to prepare, which they simply didn’t do. To flatten the curve.
Do people still not get this?

Ah yes, “flatten the curve”. Innocent, innocent times!

acequion

froog wrote: »

yep, the point is to ease pressure on the hospitals while we wait for a vaccine. which has worked, twice. and will work a third time.

you seem to be under the impression that lockdowns were meant to eradicate the virus. they were not. we never pursued a zero covid strategy.

do people still not get this?

And have you forgotten that lockdown one was supposed to "flatten the curve." And lockdown two to "Save Christmas". Also we were promised in the early days that it would buy us time to get our house in order.

No one told us that it would be lockdowns ad infinitum, achieving little, until divine intervention in the shape of a vaccine.

God help us all if the vaccine doesn't work!

facehugger99

froog wrote: »

the economy grew 3.4% in 2020.

Isn't it amazing what pumping €20 billion of borrowed money into the economy can do?

We should do this all the time.

Leave the kids and grandkids to worry about paying it back.

froog

acequion wrote: »

And have you forgotten that lockdown one was supposed to "flatten the curve." And lockdown two to "Save Christmas". Also we were promised in the early days that it would buy us time to get our house in order.

No one told us that it would be lockdowns ad infinitum, achieving little, until divine intervention in the shape of a vaccine.

God help us all if the vaccine doesn't work!

what exactly do you want? after lockdown, let it rip and you expect the health system to be able to handle it?

you really haven't thought this through.

if you have a new virus, you work like fcuk to get a vaccine and do your best to control the spread until then. that's all you can do. and it's all any country has done. i don't know where you and others got this idea that a health system should be able to handle a complete uncontrolled pandemic while you enjoy your usual life.

Lockdown is becoming more unsustainable each time we do it.

The kids really can’t afford much more time off school without having serious consequences on their development.

The government can’t keeping borrowing and paying people 350 a week to stay at home and paying business money to stay shut.

Banks can’t keep offering pay breaks. Landlords can’t keep accepting no rent payments.

Eventually it will all come crashing down. I imagine it will after Covid.

SusieBlue

froog wrote: »

whats your alternative to a series of lockdowns until we get the vaccines?

Why didn’t they increase ICU beds/capacity and hire even a small portion of the thousands of healthcare workers they begged to come home from abroad to do their duty, only to leave them hanging with no jobs?

Why don’t they do a better job of controlling the endless outbreaks inside hospitals, nursing homes, and direct provisions centres?
Note I said better, I don’t expect perfection and zero cases/deaths would be an impossibly high standard but the numbers coming out of these facilities since day 1 are inexcusable.
Why didn’t they do literally anything to ease the pressure on the health system, bar shutting down the country?

Level 5 lockdown is the nuclear option.
It was a sensible and warranted course of action back in March when the virus was brand new, we had no contingency plans, no time to prepare, and the public weren’t educated on social distancing, masks and hand washing.
It should not be the go-to option almost 12 months later any time the cases rise. By now there absolutely should be a few other steps taken before going nuclear and shutting down the country 3 times over the course of 10 months.

MM was smug as hell gloating about how we’ve had the longest, strictest, and most drawn out response to the virus in Europe, as if it’s something we should take pride in.
But it clearly backfired because people got so sick of the fear mongering and Tony’s worry-meter that we are now in exactly the same position as every other country in Europe, most of whom haven’t lived under the weight of the strictest conditions in the EU since last March.

Silentcorner

Graham wrote: »

I'm sure you're making a good point.

Darned if I can tell what it is though.

Added,

Ohhh hang on,

We're pretending a covid pandemic is like flu season. Got it.

The only pretending going are the people pretending we don't suffer from an annual capacity crisis in our hospitals...people are comparing it to a flu season which is the logical thing to do as we are exposed to differing strains of the flu every year, year in year out, this is just a new virus arguably a notch more severe than a bad flu.

If this was as vicious to the population as it's made out to be we wouldn't need to be battered with the incessant and highly emotive headlines day in day out, we'd be able to see the carnage with our own eyes.

JRant

SusieBlue wrote: »

Why didn’t they increase ICU beds/capacity and hire even a small portion of the thousands of healthcare workers they begged to come home from abroad to do their duty, only to leave them hanging with no jobs?

Why don’t they do a better job of controlling the endless outbreaks inside hospitals, nursing homes, and direct provisions centres?
Note I said better, I don’t expect perfection and zero cases/deaths would be an impossibly high standard but the numbers coming out of these facilities since day 1 are inexcusable.
Why didn’t they do literally anything to ease the pressure on the health system, bar shutting down the country?

Level 5 lockdown is the nuclear option.
It was a sensible and warranted course of action back in March when the virus was brand new, we had no contingency plans, no time to prepare, and the public weren’t educated on social distancing, masks and hand washing.
It should not be the go-to option almost 12 months later any time the cases rise. By now there absolutely should be a few other steps taken before going nuclear and shutting down the country 3 times over the course of 10 months.

MM was smug as hell gloating about how we’ve had the longest, strictest, and most drawn out response to the virus in Europe, as if it’s something we should take pride in.
But it clearly backfired because people got so sick of the fear mongering and Tony’s worry-meter that we are now in exactly the same position as every other country in Europe, most of whom haven’t lived under the weight of the strictest conditions in the EU since last March.

Not forgetting that we could have used some of those billions to procure our own supply of the vaccine outside of the EU deal. That would have saved many lives but alas our leaders decided to do what they always do and just follow

froog

SusieBlue wrote: »

Why didn’t they increase ICU beds/capacity and hire even a small portion of the thousands of healthcare workers they begged to come home from abroad to do their duty, only to leave them hanging with no jobs?

Why don’t they do a better job of controlling the endless outbreaks inside hospitals, nursing homes, and direct provisions centres?
Note I said better, I don’t expect perfection and zero cases/deaths would be an impossibly high standard but the numbers coming out of these facilities since day 1 are inexcusable.
Why didn’t they do literally anything to ease the pressure on the health system, bar shutting down the country?

Level 5 lockdown is the nuclear option.
It was a sensible and warranted course of action back in March when the virus was brand new, we had no contingency plans, no time to prepare, and the public weren’t educated on social distancing, masks and hand washing.
It should not be the go-to option almost 12 months later any time the cases rise. By now there absolutely should be a few other steps taken before going nuclear and shutting down the country 3 times over the course of 10 months.

MM was smug as hell gloating about how we’ve had the longest, strictest, and most drawn out response to the virus in Europe.
But it clearly backfired because people got so sick of the fear mongering and Tony’s worry-meter that we are now in exactly the same position as every other country in Europe, most of whom haven’t lived under the weight of the strictest conditions in the EU since last March.

so what is your plan - no more lockdowns, but magic up 1000 ICU beds and 1000+ highly trained specialist ICU staff that are in demand in every single country in the world? so you can go about life as normal?

lockdowns are the only thing that works in reducing numbers. it's true in ireland. and it's true in every single other country in the world. if you have other control measures you think would work instead, please share them and be specific. cause if you're against lockdowns, you surely have other methods in mind, or else you are simply happy to let it rip.

froog

in summary;

beefing up hospitals is not an alternative to controlling the spread of the virus no matter how much you want it to be.

this is beginning to feel worryingly like March 2020 ...................and people seem very willing to buy into the entire lockdown all over again, except this time it seems to be "let's throw away the keys", people aren't even allowed question this anymore! A relative of mine committed suicide on New Years Eve - a single man in his mid forties, very isolated , never married, no kids. I think we are paying a huge price for this.

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

so what is your plan - no more lockdowns, but magic up 1000 ICU beds and 1000+ highly trained specialist ICU staff that are in demand in every single country in the world? so you can go about life as normal?

lockdowns are the only thing that works in reducing numbers. it's true in ireland. and it's true in every single other country in the world. if you have other control measures you think would work instead, please share them and be specific. cause if you're against lockdowns, you surely have other methods in mind, or else you are simply happy to let it rip.

Are you not a believer in masks?

Or social distancing?

Sounds like you don’t think either works