Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

I remember this "fear mongering" being used for last years budget.

Because who knew that they'd just kick the can down the road - actually we all should have known! It's standard operating procedure in this country.

But that bill will come yet... you can be sure of it. It won't even be our call. Wait till the likes of Germany get back to business and start calling for fiscal responsibility and clawing back the expense of the last 12 months. It'll be Austerity 2.0

Captain_Crash

Solar2021 wrote: »

Yes it would

If it was true

Be interesting to know who had that bad dose last winter and who had Covid this year

If its not many

Its telling.alright

I had that bad dose and all family

None of us had Covid

Myself and all the family had the bad dose too. We all believe it may have been covid, although we don’t say it in public because we simply don’t know for sure.

AndrewJRenko

normanoffside wrote: »

So why is he all over the telly, radio and twitter every day?

WTF is this all about? He's on the telly, along with other members of NPHET because most people are more interested in hearing expert opinions than in hearing the boards.ie barstool expert opinions.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Anyone else think its nuts that we now have multiple vaccines developed in a very impressive timeframe and not a sign of a less invasive and more accurate testing procedure?

Or that the rapid rise in positives, hospitalisations and ICU have all occurred simultaneously?

Has there been a surge in retail employees getting testing positive does anyone know?

Please tell us what you think is going on here? How many people do you reckon are behind this grand conspiracy that is behind the "rapid rise in positives, hospitalisations and ICU have all occurred simultaneously"?

thebaz wrote: »

are you happy with the urgency of our vaccination program ?

Israel have vaccinated 1 million of its most vulnerable , why could we not show similar dynamism to protect our vulnerable?

Great role models, the oul Isrealis.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/03/palestinians-excluded-from-israeli-covid-vaccine-rollout-as-jabs-go-to-settlers

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is inevitable as it is infuriating. All those months twiddling their thumbs instead of adding ICU beds. When (not if) critical numbers topple over into private hospitals, then the taxpayer will be saddled with an enormous bill. The next budget is going to be intimidating, crippling taxation and stealth charges by the truckload. Will the government ministers and HSE executives who presided over this fiasco take a hit to their ample pensions? Not one cent.

Eh, they did add ICU beds - quite a few of them.

https://www.thejournal.ie/icu-bed-numbers-5217685-Sep2020/

You do understand what's involved in adding ICU beds, right? Finding the physical space, putting the equipment in place, and more importantly, sourcing or training up the relevant staff - the 'intensive' in ICU should be a good hint here.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Suppress data, don't test.

So ignore the once in a generation pandemic?

It's a bold move.

:rolleyes:

You mean once in a decade pandemic?

facehugger99

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because who knew that they'd just kick the can down the road - actually we all should have known! It's standard operating procedure in this country.

But that bill will come yet... you can be sure of it. It won't even be our call. Wait till the likes of Germany get back to business and start calling for fiscal responsibility and clawing back the expense of the last 12 months. It'll be Austerity 2.0

The complete abdication of any fiscal responsibility from the Government has been frightening to witness. There should have been an emergency budget in June of last year when the financial cost of the Covid restriction measures were becoming apparent. What would have been the support amongst the Covid clappy-seals for constant restrictions if they had to pay for it out of their own pockets?

They have created the sense amongst the mouth-breathers that the economy is doing fine and that there is no cost to this nonsense. We have even had people on this thread claiming that the economy grew last year and everything is grand. In reality the problems have been stored up and grown and the final bill will be even bigger.

I suspect at this stage the Government parties are privately resigned to seeing the Shinners win the next election and leaving the mess for them to deal with - God help us all when those former terrorists and economic morons seize the reins of power.

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

The complete abdication of any fiscal responsibility from the Government has been frightening to witness. There should have been an emergency budget in June of last year when the financial cost of the Covid restriction measures were becoming apparent. What would have been the support amongst the Covid clappy-seals for constant restrictions if they had to pay for it out of their own pockets?

They have created the sense amongst the mouth-breathers that the economy is doing fine and that there is no cost to this nonsense. We have even had people on this thread claiming that the economy grew last year and everything is grand. In reality the problems have been stored up and grown and the final bill will be even bigger.

I suspect at this stage the Government parties are privately resigned to seeing the Shinners win the next election and leaving the mess for them to deal with - God help us all when those former terrorists and economic morons seize the reins of power.

In reality GDP in Ireland is as imaginary as the virtue signalling online.

GNP and unemployment is the metric to use

Which also effects our access to credit in future

MM spoke with pride about Ireland being Europe’s most suppressed nation all year, at the bargain cost of €3 million an hour

Windmill100000

It isn't a case of finding a space and putting in beds and sticking an ICU sign above it. The equipment in ICUs are specific to them and not found in any other part of a hospital.

If it really was easy to add an extra 200 ICU beds nationwide, do people think the government would have refused them?

Whatsisname

So I see now Matt Hancock over here has admitted the tier system doesn't work and he's "increasingly worried" the vaccines won't work on the super Covid 2.0 from South Africa. The goal posts move again.

Solar2021

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Myself and all the family had the bad dose too. We all believe it may have been covid, although we don’t say it in public because we simply don’t know for sure.

Very possible

As much as some like to think, including myself

The virus didn't sit in Wuhan for 4 months enjoying the scenery before getting the plane to Ireland

The UK strain went viral in a week or two

Its popped up everywhere

Pitch n Putt

facehugger99 wrote: »

The complete abdication of any fiscal responsibility from the Government has been frightening to witness. There should have been an emergency budget in June of last year when the financial cost of the Covid restriction measures were becoming apparent. What would have been the support amongst the Covid clappy-seals for constant restrictions if they had to pay for it out of their own pockets?

They have created the sense amongst the mouth-breathers that the economy is doing fine and that there is no cost to this nonsense. We have even had people on this thread claiming that the economy grew last year and everything is grand. In reality the problems have been stored up and grown and the final bill will be even bigger.

I suspect at this stage the Government parties are privately resigned to seeing the Shinners win the next election and leaving the mess for them to deal with - God help us all when those former terrorists and economic morons seize the reins of power.

Pass the book job. Walk away from another fine mess with plenty of retirements on huge pensions.
Where did we see this happen before ??? .... Oh yeah here in Ireland

We’ve enough morons in the current government without wondering about the next one.

Treseemme.

Whatsisname wrote: »

So I see now Matt Hancock over here has admitted the tier system doesn't work and he's "increasingly worried" the vaccines won't work on the super Covid 2.0 from South Africa. The goal posts move again.

We're in big trouble if it turns out the vaccines have to be tweaked

JRant

Boggles wrote: »

Suppress data, don't test.

So ignore the once in a generation pandemic?

It's a bold move.

:rolleyes:

You know what's worse than no data? Bad data.

That's what we currently have with these daily numbers. They admitted themselves that the numbers are not accurate so why present them.

Regardless of that, a weekly update would suffice, highlighting how the hospitals are managing. The rest is just noise and leads to mixed messaging. The main figures are available online anyway so there's no need to pump them out over the airwaves daily.

cjyid

Whatsisname wrote: »

So I see now Matt Hancock over here has admitted the tier system doesn't work and he's "increasingly worried" the vaccines won't work on the super Covid 2.0 from South Africa. The goal posts move again.

Oh god. I wonder if he has any actual evidence the vaccines won't work against that variant or is he just giving his ''opinion''....

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Lead DR from CUH on radio talking about how many people presenting for other reason’s are testing positive for Covid.

He said people presenting with broken bones have tested positive when tested upon arrival despite having absolutely no Covid symptoms.

The best way out of this mess is to stop actually testing healthy people

There used to be an old, well established method for diagnosing patients. That seems to have gone in the bin this year.

Tenzor07

Treseemme. wrote: »

We're in big trouble if it turns out the vaccines have to be tweaked

You're right! Lucky they don't have to change the Flu vaccine each year too!!

Sanjuro

Treseemme. wrote: »

We're in big trouble if it turns out the vaccines have to be tweaked

You do know that the flu vaccine that is rolled out every winter is not the same vaccine each year and that each year it's "tweaked," right?

Solar2021

cjyid wrote: »

Oh god. I wonder if he has any actual evidence the vaccines won't work against that variant or is he just giving his ''opinion''....

Porton Down lab are almost finished research, they've isolated it and been growing it last few weeks

When they know, he'll know

We laugh at the UK but they have some of the best scientists in the world

JRant

Whatsisname wrote: »

So I see now Matt Hancock over here has admitted the tier system doesn't work and he's "increasingly worried" the vaccines won't work on the super Covid 2.0 from South Africa. The goal posts move again.

More shïtê talk from those fools over there without a shred of evidence to back up his claims. Just needlessly pumping out fear.

Irish Steve

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Myself and all the family had the bad dose too. We all believe it may have been covid, although we don’t say it in public because we simply don’t know for sure.

Same here. We both spent the better part of a month with something nasty at the back end of 2019 and over the New Year, and after 2 weeks, the local GP put us both on steroids and other meds to help us deal with a Novavirus and not get other complications, we were sub par for the guts of a month, and I'd be very happy to get a test if there was one to see if we did have an early case of Covid19, we certainly had most of the relevant symptoms at the time.

A number of people close to us have said that they wonder if it was Covid, as they know how hard we were hit by it, but proving it is another issue.

If we did have it back then, it would make some of the personal restrictions we're living with now less significant, and while we'd not be changing too much of how we're acting, it would make it a lot easier to make decisions in other areas.

Whatsisname

Treseemme. wrote: »

We're in big trouble if it turns out the vaccines have to be tweaked

Apparently it'll take 4-6 weeks to tweak it and they won't have to trial it again. But feels like another one of those "only a few more weeks now.." moments.

JRant

Solar2021 wrote: »

Porton Down lab are almost finished research, they've isolated it and been growing it last few weeks

When they know, he'll know

We laugh at the UK but they have some of the best scientists in the world

They certainly do and have a long proud history in the sciences. Unfortunately their current batch of politicians are one step up from rock algea in the intelligence stakes.

Whatsisname

JRant wrote: »

More shïtê talk from those fools over there without a shred of evidence to back up his claims. Just needlessly pumping out fear.

Feels like another carrot and stick approach by these twats again. They lost the vast majority of people months ago, better ramp up the fear to 1000 to try get people scared again. Didn't work with their new super London strain before Christmas, won't work this time.

Treseemme.

Surely Hancock knows something

Kermit.de.frog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The best way out of this mess is to stop actually testing healthy people

This is like something Trump would say. In fact, it is something Donald Trump has said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n83WQC06t4

With the situation deteriorating with each passing hour in this country that would not be good idea.

JRant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is like something Trump would say. In fact, it is something Donald Trump has said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n83WQC06t4

With the situation deteriorating with each passing hour in this country that would not be good idea.

With each passing hour?

Come on man, surely you don't believe that. A bit of calmness is what's needed right now.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You mean once in a decade pandemic?

Good one!

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Lead DR from CUH on radio talking about how many people presenting for other reason’s are testing positive for Covid.

He said people presenting with broken bones have tested positive when tested upon arrival despite having absolutely no Covid symptoms.

The best way out of this mess is to stop actually testing healthy people

This testing causing positive shtick has really been thoroughly debunked in the last few days - thousands of positive results even though we have stopped testing asymptomatic contacts

GazzaL

I was talking to an elderly lady this morning on the phone, she's terrified to even open her front door. Very sad.

JRant

Irish Steve wrote: »

Same here. We both spent the better part of a month with something nasty at the back end of 2019 and over the New Year, and after 2 weeks, the local GP put us both on steroids and other meds to help us deal with a Novavirus and not get other complications, we were sub par for the guts of a month, and I'd be very happy to get a test if there was one to see if we did have an early case of Covid19, we certainly had most of the relevant symptoms at the time.

A number of people close to us have said that they wonder if it was Covid, as they know how hard we were hit by it, but proving it is another issue.

If we did have it back then, it would make some of the personal restrictions we're living with now less significant, and while we'd not be changing too much of how we're acting, it would make it a lot easier to make decisions in other areas.

The chances that we had COVID here in early 2019 are very high. Look how quickly the UK and SA strains have travelled around the globe even with restricted numbers flying. I'd say there's close to zero chance it wasn't here at the start of last year.

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This testing causing positive shtick has really been thoroughly debunked in the last few days - thousands of positive results even though we have stopped testing asymptomatic contacts

When did we stop that?
Did they not warning a day or so ago that close contacts would no longer get an automatic test?