Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm actually off just now for my daily swim in the sea, I am not getting into any discussion on Covid versus flu, I am sure there are enough people here who are happy too. I dont spend all day here either..... there is a life to be lived out there! Enjoy your day

Once it’s within 5km of your home that’s perfectly safe

Do you have a waterproof mask?

average_runner

Deleted User wrote: »

Try getting another job at 50 when you probably have kids....

That highlights your knowledge of the current situation.

Lots of responsible people won’t be having kids or buying houses as they are priced out.

Living with parents is not an option for many

Jeez, stop moaning about house prices, they were more expensive in 2003-2009 time frame and people still managed to buy them and survive.




Problem with some of the younger generation is they expect everything but won't work for it.


Guess what, life isn't plain sailing, you fight to get where you are, if you want it you will get there.


How did our parents survive in the 80's when they had no skilled jobs, lost them regularly, yet still managed to get us through school and to college

sprucemoose

Deleted User wrote: »

You think they'll drag out paying for this for 45 years? Okay then.

no, but it would not be out of the question that there will be increased taxation etc, to repay this for 20/25 years, especially seeing as the effects are worldwide

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm actually off just now for my daily swim in the sea, I am not getting into any discussion on Covid versus flu, I am sure there are enough people here who are happy too. I dont spend all day here either..... there is a life to be lived out there! Enjoy your day

Great, we will file your post under 'absolute scutter' so.

Enjoy your swim.

sprucemoose

average_runner wrote: »

Jeez, stop moaning about house prices, they were more expensive in 2003-2009 time frame and people still managed to buy them and survive.

mostly paid for with mortgages that contributed to crippling our economy

average_runner wrote: »

How did our parents survive in the 80's when they had no skilled jobs, lost them regularly, yet still managed to get us through school and to college

largely by emigrating....

polesheep

average_runner wrote: »

Jeez, stop moaning about house prices, they were more expensive in 2003-2009 time frame and people still managed to buy them and survive.




Problem with some of the younger generation is they expect everything but won't work for it.


Guess what, life isn't plain sailing, you fight to get where you are, if you want it you will get there.


How did our parents survive in the 80's when they had no skilled jobs, lost them regularly, yet still managed to get us through school and to college

As someone who was in his twenties during the 80s I can assure you that they were bleak and it was a matter of bare survival for many. It's very tough for the younger generation now in a different way. The gig economy is going to bring large scale poverty in terms of the things that really matter, such as housing.

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

this statement is not accurate.

I posted on this in Sept or oct on this forum.
None of the pro lockdown people challenged my assertions . odd that

The PCR machine is run to 40 or more cycles as per the Dept of Health FOI letter (which I posted here) .
Normally in pre covid times this 25 would be the norm to 30 max. The difference between 25 cycles and and 45 is exponential it's not just 15 times.
At levels over 30 the results are not accurate because of the massively increasing risk of detecting fragments of the virus or back ground interference.

In fact the WHO issued a statement on this in dec on their website - strangely ignored by the media and their NPHET allies.

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

please note the quote



this is a decent article on the matter (includes references and links which is what makes it good)
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives

Zerohedge!

The guidance is to use the recommended CT per the reagent manufacturers recommendation, not some notional value of 30. We go to 40 but do not report a positive result with a CT over 35.

Also, if there are so many false positives, where were they all when the positive rate was 0.3%? Nobody ever answers this question because it doesn't suit the numpty narrative

polesheep

sprucemoose wrote: »

mostly paid for with mortgages that contributed to crippling our economy




largely by emigrating....

I remember paying 17.5% interest on my mortgage and being very careful about what I spent in the supermarket. Other shopping was out of the question. I didn't fight my way out of that so my kids could be exploited in a gig economy.

Windmill100000

“We want fewer civil servants and more medical specialists who are knowledgeable and have strong personalities,” the source said."


It would have been good if they did that from the start instead of putting people in well-paid positions of authority that had very limited understanding of respiratory illnesses and what we were dealing with.

I wont be holding my breath they dont continue to favour friends over experience though.

PTH2009

135 000 vaccinated by the end of February

Pretty pathetic

average_runner

sprucemoose wrote: »

mostly paid for with mortgages that contributed to crippling our economy




largely by emigrating....

Our economy came back up again, funny that it works in cycles!!!!


Most didnt emigrate either, i look at our street down home and then my friends and see how we did!! All our parents stayed here

average_runner

polesheep wrote: »

As someone who was in his twenties during the 80s I can assure you that they were bleak and it was a matter of bare survival for many. It's very tough for the younger generation now in a different way. The gig economy is going to bring large scale poverty in terms of the things that really matter, such as housing.

Housing is cheaper now than 2003-2009 and wages are higher!!!!!


No queuing 24 hrs for a house either now!!

Windmill100000

I think there are a lot more supports these days as well for unemployed. I imagine prospects were much bleaker in the 80s if you found yourself out of a job.

I wasn't in Ireland then but have heard many stories of that time

average_runner

average_runner wrote: »

Jeez, stop moaning about house prices, they were more expensive in 2003-2009 time frame and people still managed to buy them and survive.




Problem with some of the younger generation is they expect everything but won't work for it.


Guess what, life isn't plain sailing, you fight to get where you are, if you want it you will get there.


How did our parents survive in the 80's when they had no skilled jobs, lost them regularly, yet still managed to get us through school and to college

Managed to buy them or got 100% mortgages that eventually led to the collapse that has now led to the housing crisis...

My parents bought a house in the 80s. One a factory worker and another a retail worker. They both know how lucky they are to have gotten it back then.

CruelSummer

Boggles wrote: »

Great, we will file your post under 'absolute scutter' so.

Enjoy your swim.

No need for such aggression towards the poster. Thought this thread had more room for debate than the main thread where they're currently trying to shut down construction, get the 2km limit back, and the army on the streets to implement curfews.

sprucemoose

CruelSummer wrote: »

No need for such aggression towards the poster. Thought this thread had more room for debate than the main thread where they're currently trying to shut down construction, get the 2km limit back, and the army on the streets to implement curfews.

youre right, no debate there its probably the best way to go for the next few months

FintanMcluskey

CruelSummer wrote: »

No need for such aggression towards the poster. Thought this thread had more room for debate than the main thread where they're currently trying to shut down construction, get the 2km limit back, and the army on the streets to implement curfews.

This thread is an excellent place to debate and dissect the scientific data among posters incredibly well versed on many subjects.

Educated in the school of life almost

There is no place for hysteria on here

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

135 000 vaccinated by the end of February

Pretty pathetic

Based on projections we will have received ca.320,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine by the end of February. It takes 270,000 doses to vaccinate 135,000 people, and the remaining 50 will have gone in the first dose for the subsequent cohorts. Now can someone explain how it is possible to vaccinate more people than you have vaccines for?

Really sad scenes at my SuperValu today. Queue was absolutely huge. First PUP payment in 2 weeks and child benefit.

Sad to see this level poverty in the country.

JRant

paw patrol wrote: »

this statement is not accurate.

I posted on this in Sept or oct on this forum.
None of the pro lockdown people challenged my assertions . odd that

The PCR machine is run to 40 or more cycles as per the Dept of Health FOI letter (which I posted here) .
Normally in pre covid times this 25 would be the norm to 30 max. The difference between 25 cycles and and 45 is exponential it's not just 15 times.
At levels over 30 the results are not accurate because of the massively increasing risk of detecting fragments of the virus or back ground interference.

In fact the WHO issued a statement on this in dec on their website - strangely ignored by the media and their NPHET allies.

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

please note the quote



this is a decent article on the matter (includes references and links which is what makes it good)
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives

Why are we running so many cycles if it goes against expert opinion?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Really sad scenes at my SuperValu today. Queue was absolutely huge. First PUP payment in 2 weeks and child benefit.

Sad to see this level poverty in the country.

How is people queuing to spend money in what is the most expensive supermarket chain in the state evidence of poverty?

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

135 000 vaccinated by the end of February

Pretty pathetic

In 8 weeks we're going to go through every dose we receive and have everyone in a care home vaccinated.....

Far from pathetic.

JRant

JRant wrote: »

Why are we running so many cycles if it goes against expert opinion?

Deleted User wrote: »

The guidance is to use the recommended CT per the reagent manufacturers recommendation, not some notional value of 30. We go to 40 but do not report a positive result with a CT over 35.

Also, if there are so many false positives, where were they all when the positive rate was 0.3%? Nobody ever answers this question because it doesn't suit the numpty narrative

Care to answer the question?

323

JRant wrote: »

Why are we running so many cycles if it goes against expert opinion?

In order to keep the scaremongery going.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How is people queuing to spend money in what is the most expensive supermarket chain in the state evidence of poverty?

There wouldn’t normally be a queue down the street on a Tuesday morning, I can tell you that much. That alone is evidence that lots are out of work.

It’s the only supermarket in walking distance of lots of estates. People need essentials.

I’m sure the queues are equally long if not longer up at lidl.

sprucemoose

sprucemoose wrote: »

no, but it would not be out of the question that there will be increased taxation etc, to repay this for 20/25 years, especially seeing as the effects are worldwide

So why did you say they would be paying for it for 45 years?

If you expect this will be paid back in 20/25 years, those are 45 now will spend the rest of their working lives paying for this, as well as probably having spent the last 12 years paying for the last recession. With probably no state pension at the end of it, the way things are expected to go.

I never said young people have it easy. Lets make that clear. Getting on the property ladder was never easy, either.

But this dismissive attitude that they are somehow worse off then anyone else in this and that it will be them who will be "paying for this", really annoys me.

froog

paw patrol wrote: »

I believe it will become clear in years to come when this is investigated that the PCR tests are picking up all manner of corona virus and other illnesses and labeling everything as "positive".



the notion that Ireland and Europe is dying from an illness with the most vague symptoms that puts (in Ireland) 69 in ICU out of 82000 active cases is just stupid. current numbers.



They call this flu season but tbh it's a **** show for all manner of respiratory illness and the rest...anybody with long term asthma will tell you that . yet the flu just took a break for the year :rolleyes:

Where are you getting 82000 active cases from?

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Care to answer the question?

I certainly can't but I'll defer to the experts on this one.

https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2020/09/01/covid-tests

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

Maybe The Lancet and Havard are wrong on this one.

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

In 8 weeks we're going to go through every dose we receive and have everyone in a care home vaccinated.....

Far from pathetic.

I get that but we will still be in strong restrictions by then

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have a 24 year old daughter, and am very familiar with the issues facing her age group. The accommodation issues existed pre-covid, and they are also the age group who are most likely to bounce back and pick up another job quickly, after a job loss.

Try getting another job at 50, when you probably have kids still in childcare or worse, going to college in the next five years, and have another 15-20 years of a mortgage ahead of you.

But that doesn't mean the point I made, which you ignored, isn't valid. It won't be "the youth of today who who will be left paying for this". It will impact on every person of working age. Sick of listening about how this will only affect the young.

The vast majority of "the youth of today" will only be leaving their parentally subsidised nest in ten years times, while their parents will have paid for it in the interim.

Tough **** if you don't like my attitude - I don't like yours.

Versus the person in their 20’s who won’t be able to access a mortgage in the first place, who’ll be stuck paying €1800 a month on rent with no security, or else having people like you looking down on them & judging them for living with their parents?
People who will have to delay starting families and having kids of their own because they can’t access secure housing?
Things you clearly already have?

We will all suffer without a doubt but it’s ludicrous to suggest that those starting their adult lives won’t be at a greater disadvantage than any other age group, particularly when you admitted yourself that things were already hard for them prior to covid. They’ll be even worse now.
It’s ok to acknowledge that they are among those sacrificing the most on behalf of others in all this, seeing as they are largely not high risk to this illness.

Yes it will impact everyone of working age but the youth will suffer with the repercussions for longer, because you’re away with the fairies if you think the billions of euro we borrowed to fund all this will be paid off in a few short years.
Access to housing will only become more difficult when the austerity measures are implemented.
I feel sorry for your daughter seeing how you speak of the struggles her age group is facing with such little compassion and consideration, and how you sneer at the fact that so many are stuck living with their parents for far longer than they would if they had a choice.

You want continuous lockdowns, you don’t want anyone to complain about it even if it’s negatively effecting them, you have no sympathy for their struggles and now you’re moaning because people feel more sorry for our young people instead of you.
For a 51 year old it’s quite pathetic and immature that you would post such a reactionary post with the clear intention of getting peoples backs up, I’m only sorry I indulged you and bothered responding to you in the first place.