Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Windmill100000

Double post

SusieBlue

froog wrote: »

Which is worse do you think? Being delayed in buying your first house or losing a house you've lived in for 20 years?

Many will never get the house at all, do you not see that?

We didn’t have people in their late 20’s and early 30’s living at home involuntarily a generation ago. It wasn’t a thing. Now it’s the norm. And that says it all, really.

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think its pretty clear given we had a 0.3% positive rate at one stage that we adhere to the best pracitices as outlined in the lancet



And from the second article - well we dont report as result as positive with a CT over 35


Do people think the NVRL are amateurs?

In fact we produce clear guidance on this including the following nuggets



https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/outbreakmanagementguidance/PCR%20weak%20results%20guidance.pdf

That should put an end to this nonsense. It wont however, I give a hour before someone else goes down the casedemic blackhole

Would it have killed you to be civil when responding and leave out the passive aggressive nonsense.

SusieBlue

froog wrote: »

Thats not a covid issue though. Housing was ****ed well before that.

Yeah, covid is making it worse. No one is pretending this is a new issue. The pandemic has just made it significantly worse.

JRant

Amirani wrote: »

Why would we go off on one on our own to buy a vaccine that hadn't been approved yet? That would be stupid.

There must be a lot of very stupid countries out there, including the EU. Seeing as this vaccine was only approved at the end of December and orders placed long before that.

Windmill100000

All doom and gloom for first-time buyers...

https://www.thejournal.ie/mortgage-approval-ireland-5283702-Dec2020/#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20mortgages%20approved,%E2%82%AC344%20million%20(27.5%25).

AndrewJRenko

Ace2007 wrote: »

Go back and look at the threads on here last year, there were hundreds if no thousands of posters saying that their kids were not getting taught - teacher would send something every Monday and that was it. Yes some teachers did stuff every day but large % didn't.

While they aren't out of a job- they aren't working and doing what they are getting paid to do. like someone on the pup - they want to work, but the government shut down their industry so that they have no option - in theory they aren't out of job either - but still only get the pup.

I have worked in the PS, i know what he PRD is and i know how expensive pensions schemes are to run - so i was happy enough to pay the %. Any pension expert in the private sector would be more than happy to take a 10% hit to their salary for the pension benefits under the PS structure. PS pensions are costing the state a fortune and are not sustainable but no government wants to tackle that issue - kick it down the road.

If someone in the PS isn't happy with their salary or their benefits - they can always move jobs....

I'm not sure that running the country based on Boards thread comments or Liveline calls is a great idea, so the hundreds or thousands of comments doesn't really convince me much. Even if it did happen, what percentage of teachers in the thousands of classes in thousands of schools in the country were involved? And how many of the teachers involved were either ill with Covid, or minding their own young children who's creches had closed or were reassigned by their school principal to other duties? One side of the story of a few Boards comments isn't really the whole story.

If you already knew about the PRD, why did you try to perpetuate the lie about public sector not suffering any cuts? It doesn't go to fund pensions, btw - just goes into current expenditure, so the idea that it is some kind of payment to a pension fund is fiction. Let's not go off topic on the value or otherwise of public pensions, but I guess any private sector staff not happy with their own pension entitlements can just move job. That's how this works, right?

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Was at Smyths click and collect earlier picking up a present for the little ones birthday. The amount of young fellas and even fellas in their 30's queuing up to get the latest computer games was incredible. A constant flow. It is sad to see the levels of young people out of work at the moment with nothing better to be doing. There will have to be an end to lockdowns as they have utterly failed us and the long term effects will be disastrous.

Maybe the young fellas up to their 30s were buying presents for their own birthdays, or their little one's birthdays? Or is it just your little one that deserves presents?

SusieBlue

Windmill100000 wrote: »

All doom and gloom for first-time buyers...

https://www.thejournal.ie/mortgage-approval-ireland-5283702-Dec2020/#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20mortgages%20approved,%E2%82%AC344%20million%20(27.5%25).

Presumably the people lucky enough to continue working through the lockdowns in secure employment.

On the flip side I know of two couples that were able to save a lot more during the lockdowns who recently got mortgage approval, much sooner than they had expected to. As I said, some people are directly benefiting from all this and some aren’t.

Windmill100000

SusieBlue wrote: »

Presumably the people lucky enough to continue working through the lockdowns in secure employment.

On the flip side I know of two couples that were able to save a lot more during the lockdowns who recently got mortgage approval, much sooner than they had expected to. As I said, some people are directly benefiting from all this and some aren’t.

Yes, and plenty of people have continued to work through lockdown, as did people during the recession of 2008. Saying all young people are in a hopeless situation is blatantly untrue.

Every generation, as said, has had their struggles. What has happened has been appalling to many, but making out living at home for a few years longer to save, or moving to find a job is the worst possible existence is ridiculous.

This is the world we are living in and at times it sucks for some people. And it has always been that way.

sprucemoose

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd swear the way some go on the current generation is the only one to have struggles.

nobody is saying that?at worst, some people are saying this is going to affect people who are closer to the start rather than the end of their careers

AndrewJRenko

hamburgham wrote: »

Well I didn’t have to look too hard.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0518/1139188-hse-union-row/

Shocking.

Great story - thanks for sharing. So just to sumarise;

There was no strike.
This is not an example of medical unions holding up technological advances.

Here's what that HSE team did achieve over the summer, btw.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/developer-of-state-s-covid-19-app-working-with-us-health-bodies-1.4310888

Windmill100000 wrote: »

“We want fewer civil servants and more medical specialists who are knowledgeable and have strong personalities,” the source said."


It would have been good if they did that from the start instead of putting people in well-paid positions of authority that had very limited understanding of respiratory illnesses and what we were dealing with.

I wont be holding my breath they dont continue to favour friends over experience though.

Which members of NPHET had very limited understanding of respiratory illnesses, in your opinion?

Windmill100000

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I dont believe this. They may not get a house in the specific area they want, they may not live in a city centre and may have to commute for work but if you want a home and are prepared to compromise saying it is impossible is simply not true.

Astronomical rent has long been a problem in Ireland. Its probably a factor in many people moving abroad to get work experience.

It’s not impossible and I’ve done it myself. I live 50+KM from where I grew up.
I was 33 when we bought though and wife is the same.

Another few years and we would have had to have had a conversation. Buy a home or rent and kids.

Put it this way, if Covid had happened just before I bought, I think we’d have missed our window.

Inquitus

josip wrote: »

Open to correction, but I think that's the way most governments finance debt.
They rarely pay it off, just roll it over into newer debt and rely on inflation to diminish the original nominal debt value.

eg.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-30306579

This is true if GDP grows faster than the interest on the Debt then the Debt is actually organically reducing itself, as is the case at the moment, Covid aside.

That thing about wanting more medical experts with strong personalities is essentially saying they don’t want NPHET to be a dictatorship as it is under Tony.

You can tell that Ronan and the others are too submissive to challenge Tony.

Since he returned, level 5 is the only opinion they have.

SusieBlue

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Yes, and plenty of people have continued to work through lockdown, as did people during the recession of 2008. Saying all young people are in a hopeless situation is blatantly untrue.

Every generation, as said, has had their struggles. What has happened has been appalling to many, but making out living at home for a few years longer to save, or moving to find a job is the worst possible existence is ridiculous.

This is the world we are living in and at times it sucks for some people. And it has always been that way.

It will make things a bit more easier and accessible to those who would have found it easier to access things like housing before all this, and a lot harder for those who would have found it difficult.
It has just heightened everything, including the divide between both.

Staying at home waiting patiently for a few years would be fine but it’s the uncertainty that’s the problem, because for some they’ll never get there. And I know this has always been the case with every generation, but not in this volume.
For a large portion of this generation they will have done everything right on paper and still not be able to access a mortgage or a secure rental at a fair price. Covid has just made it all worse, that’s all I’m saying.

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

This is just more hyperbolic nonsense, and a disgraceful accusation to boot. Please quote where I said that I said I wasn’t prepared to put myself out or do anything to reduce transmission? Absolute BS of the highest order, you are telling outright lies.

What I did say was that my position on all this came from a position of self interest and the interests of my loved ones, just as you came to yours in the exact same way.
You endorse lockdowns because you benefit from them, I don’t because they actively negatively effect my life and the lives of my family.
There is no shame in admitting that, even though you refuse to do it.
I know you fancy yourself as some covid champion for the vulnerable and the needy, but you’re not.
We are all coming from a position of self interest here, yourself included.

Had a quick review of your past posts, did you?

Yes, you made it very clear on the Adhering to Households Rule thread, that you are "coming from a position of self-interest". Same thing.

Thats the whole point. You really don't give a toss about anyone who is not in the same position as you.

I'm not any kind of covid champion, all I am is someone who is trying to stay healthy but my efforts - and by extension my family - are threatened by those who are unwilling to do the same, for whatever reason.

While you obviously see yourself as some kind of champion for hard-done-by youth. Newsflash, its not the fault of older generations, or those who are still working or already have homes that we are in this situation, though you come across as really bitter against them. Its not because of people like me that we had over 6000 positive cases yesterday, leading to this new lockdown and tighter restrictions. You can thank those who shopped and partied their way through December for that. Maybe you should turn your bitterness towards them.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Had a quick review of your past posts, did you?

Yes, you made it very clear on the Adhering to Households Rule thread, that you are "coming from a position of self-interest". Same thing.

Thats the whole point. You really don't give a toss about anyone who is not in the same position as you.

I'm not any kind of covid champion, all I am is someone who is trying to stay healthy but my efforts - and by extension my family - are threatened by those who are unwilling to do the same, for whatever reason.

While you obviously see yourself as some kind of champion for hard-done-by youth. Newsflash, its not the fault of older generations, or those who are still working or already have homes that we are in this situation, though you come across as really bitter against them. Its not because of people like me that we had over 6000 positive cases yesterday, leading to this new lockdown and tighter restrictions. You can thank those who shopped and partied their way through December for that. Maybe you should turn your bitterness towards them.

On another thread before, you stated that were doing click and collect and going to Costa Coffee for take away.

How do you know you aren’t spreading the illness?

You might have had no symptoms but infected everyone in Costa that day.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

That thing about wanting more medical experts with strong personalities is essentially saying they don’t want NPHET to be a dictatorship as it is under Tony.

You can tell that Ronan and the others are too submissive to challenge Tony.

Since he returned, level 5 is the only opinion they have.

I watched Netflix "The ripper" over xmas and he reminds me of the dismissive head of investigation" who ignored the lesser helping hands and minds and then asked for remuneration for his input after the failures....

Just that cut of a man, that's always put in the fore despite his bad records elsewhere..a bit like McEntee and the judge!

you can see the add now can't you, YOUNG VIBRANT minds sought for work in challenging conditions with low pay and lower brows!! must be willing to put sense and critical thinking to the back of ones mind, low ability to challenge doctrine will make for favorable candidate

sprucemoose

sprucemoose wrote: »

i said working not paying

i think the nature of time kinda proves that youre incorrect in this one

sprucemoose wrote: »

also, yes you may have 17 more working years, by that logic a 23 year old will have 45 more working years so yes will be paying for it more than you

your own words.

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Had a quick review of your past posts, did you?

Yes, you made it very clear on the Adhering to Households Rule thread, that you are "coming from a position of self-interest". Same thing.

Thats the whole point. You really don't give a toss about anyone who is not in the same position as you.

I'm not any kind of covid champion, all I am is someone who is trying to stay healthy but my efforts - and by extension my family - are threatened by those who are unwilling to do the same, for whatever reason.

While you obviously see yourself as some kind of champion for hard-done-by youth. Newsflash, its not the fault of older generations, or those who are still working or already have homes that we are in this situation, though you come across as really bitter against them. Its not because of people like me that we had over 6000 positive cases yesterday, leading to this new lockdown and tighter restrictions. You can thank those who shopped and partied their way through December for that. Maybe you should turn your bitterness towards them.

Nah, I just remember your hysterical over reaction when I pointed it out to you and how much time I wasted politely trying to explain to you what I meant, while you flew off the handle and threw personal insults my way. I was perfectly civil to you, I don’t recall you showing the same courtesy.

I actually give a toss about everyone, I’m just not blinded by my own self interest like you are. I recognise that self interest while you deny yours.
I acknowledge the need for restrictions but I don’t think shutting down the entire country several times a year for months on end is in the best interests of everyone. I don’t think it’s balancing the health, economy and social issues of our country.

Newsflash, if you isolate people for lengthy periods from their families and loved ones, they will want to mix with them at the earliest opportunity possible. That doesn’t make them monsters despite your insistence.
I broke no rules last month so I have a clear conscience in that regard.

It’s also quite hilarious that you are bemoaning people going shopping when by your own admission you went for a non essential coffee trip during a previous lockdown, despite your vulnerable relative. How you can have the audacity to lecture anyone else is beyond me, it’s another case of ‘do as I say, and not as I do.’

You said on the other thread that people were happy for others to suffer and die if it meant they got to have a nice Christmas and I should have realised you were only posting extremities for a reaction then, I’ll know better next time than to engage with such dramatic posts.

paw patrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Zerohedge!

The guidance is to use the recommended CT per the reagent manufacturers recommendation, not some notional value of 30. We go to 40 but do not report a positive result with a CT over 35.

Also, if there are so many false positives, where were they all when the positive rate was 0.3%? Nobody ever answers this question because it doesn't suit the numpty narrative

ffs I dislike engaging with posters like you

the whole "uh,it's the daily mail " commentary. : rolleyes:
instead of seeing if the story or claim is true. moronic behaviour.

you don't like zerohedge and their views, that's fine.

But that article has linked to every claim they made and instead of reading it and ripping the claims apart you just sneer at the source.

I guess your bias wouldn't allow for critical thinking.
More fool you and maybe me too for wasting my time with posters like you.

JRant wrote: »

Why are we running so many cycles if it goes against expert opinion?

Dunno - ask the HSE or Dept of health, if I knew that i'd be less frustrated with the whole thing

Melanchthon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Germany's additional vaccines wont be available to them until the EU order is filled

Then what's the reason that Germany received ten times the doses of Italy at the start of the rollout, EU favouritism?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUKKBN2921F7

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

On another thread before, you stated that were doing click and collect and going to Costa Coffee for take away.

How do you know you aren’t spreading the illness?

You might have had no symptoms but infected everyone in Costa that day.

You've used this multiple times to try and attack me, its quite pathetic that you are now trying to use it again.

You know full well by this stage going by how many times I've told you that I do click and collect shopping as I have no other option for grocery shopping, and in relation to Costa, I posted that I walked into a Cost and turned around and turned around and LEFT immediately because of restrictions not being followed. This was also during level 3.

What about this is not sticking with you?

Amirani

paw patrol wrote: »

Dunno - ask the HSE or Dept of health, if I knew that i'd be less frustrated with the whole thing

Cillian De Gascun explained the why on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1305251887294406657

SMC92Ian

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Was at Smyths click and collect earlier picking up a present for the little ones birthday. The amount of young fellas and even fellas in their 30's queuing up to get the latest computer games was incredible. A constant flow. It is sad to see the levels of young people out of work at the moment with nothing better to be doing. There will have to be an end to lockdowns as they have utterly failed us and the long term effects will be disastrous.

Yeah because the only people who play games are sad unemployed young lads? :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You've used this multiple times to try and attack me, its quite pathetic that you are now trying to use it again.

You know full well by this stage going by how many times I've told you that I do click and collect shopping as I have no other option for grocery shopping, and in relation to Costa, I posted that I walked into a Cost and turned around and turned around and LEFT immediately because of restrictions not being followed. This was also during level 3.

What about this is not sticking with you?

So you are 100% certain that you aren’t spreading the illness while out doing click and collect and getting take away non essential items like coffee?

Ok then.

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

Nah, I just remember your hysterical over reaction when I pointed it out to you and how much time I wasted politely trying to explain to you what I meant, while you flew off the handle and threw personal insults my way. I was perfectly civil to you, I don’t recall you showing the same courtesy.

I actually give a toss about everyone, I’m just not blinded by my own self interest like you are. I recognise that self interest while you deny yours.
I acknowledge the need for restrictions but I don’t think shutting down the entire country several times a year for months on end is in the best interests of everyone. I don’t think it’s balancing the health, economy and social issues of our country.

Newsflash, if you isolate people for lengthy periods from their families and loved ones, they will want to mix with them at the earliest opportunity possible. That doesn’t make them monsters despite your insistence.
I broke no rules last month so I have a clear conscience in that regard.

It’s also quite hilarious that you are bemoaning people going shopping when by your own admission you went for a non essential coffee trip during a previous lockdown, despite your vulnerable relative. How you can have the audacity to lecture anyone else is beyond me, it’s another case of ‘do as I say, and not as I do.’

You said on the other thread that people were happy for others to suffer and die if it meant they got to have a nice Christmas and I should have realised you were only posting extremities for a reaction then, I’ll know better next time than to engage with such dramatic posts.

You know Susie, at one time I actually regarded you as a poster with some level of intelligence. Now i see I misjudged you.

You were far from polite on the other thread, and now you are making up lies. I never once said that I would be happy for other people not to have christmas to save lives. Newsflash, did it occur to you that I have been isolated from my own family for nearly ten months too? I couldn't even be with my mother before she died, and had to stay 2 meters away from my brothers at her socially distanced funeral in April - the last time I saw them.

The whole costa thing is pathetic and has been explained over and over, but you know what, whatever. I'm done with it. I'm not going to explain myself over it again. Believe what you want. Be thankful that at the end of this your family will most likely all still be alive.

I have nothing further to say to you. Lets agree that you don't care about my issues, and I no longer care about yours. Please block my posts and I'll block yours, and we'll never have to engage with each other again.

Whatsisname

Press Conference in UK right now and Professor Chris Whitty said they might have to bring back in restrictions next winter. Unreal.

Windmill100000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you are 100% certain that you aren’t spreading the illness while out doing click and collect and getting take away non essential items like coffee?

Ok then.

You really need to stop with this. Most of us are leaving our homes for short periods, whether to get a coffee, groceries, send post, whatever.

I'm not going to forego a coffee if I am out and want one. I have seen loads of people queuing for coffee in masks and socially distanced.

I am pretty sure you have lived a little as well. Although I know you will never admit it.

What were you doing casually wandering into the two hospitals you said you were in when you saw loads of people without masks? Did you leave immediately when you realised it was a high risk situation (if in fact you did actually see that. You never named the hospitals when asked).

AndrewJRenko

Deleted User wrote: »

That thing about wanting more medical experts with strong personalities is essentially saying they don’t want NPHET to be a dictatorship as it is under Tony.

You can tell that Ronan and the others are too submissive to challenge Tony.

Since he returned, level 5 is the only opinion they have.

How exactly can you tell anything about the inner workings of NPHET?

You seem to be projecting a whole lot onto the CMO as some kind of personal hate figure, with zero evidence to justify this.