Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

161,016 tests in the past 7 days - a record by some margin AFAIK, 20.8% positive rate.

There is no good way to spin that lad.

At least the high positivity rate means we aren’t wasting money on unnecessary negative tests

Every cloud and all that

Windmill100000

Boggles wrote: »

161,016 tests in the past 7 days - a record by some margin AFAIK, 20.8% positive rate.

There is no good way to spin that lad.

It's not random people being tested, it's people that are presenting with symptoms of covid. 80 per cent of these don't have covid. How is that?

GazzaL

MOH wrote: »

Absolutely. The way Paul Reid is blathering about positive rates makes me wonder if he understands the concept at all.
Testing's collapsed again, they've given up on testing close contacts, they're talking about not even testing people who probably have it.
They're only testing people with multiple symptoms. If you only test the people you've pre-filtered as being the most likely people to have it, then it's blindingly obvious your positivity rate will go through the roof.

He tweeted something else a couple of weeks ago that similarly seemed to fail to make a connection between reducing the testing scope and a resulting increase in positive rates. Only in that one he also used some weird term that literally nobody else has used to describe positive test rates.

There are only 3 useful numbers:
Hospital capacity
ICU capacity
Vaccination numbers

Everything else is like discussing a football match in terms of numbers of throw-ins, off-sides, and subsitutions made, rather than numbers of goals scored. It's all very well that Liverpool had 10 corners compared to Southampton's 1, or 675 passes versus 352, but at the end of the day Southampton scored 1 goal and Liverpool scored 0.

MOH

Boggles wrote: »

161,016 tests in the past 7 days - a record by some margin AFAIK, 20.8% positive rate.

There is no good way to spin that lad.

There shouldn't be any spinning of anything.
There should be consistent, unbiased reporting of the figures , something we haven't had in at least 6 months.

PTH2009

Darn Mcdonalds now changed to Drive Thru and Delivery, aways found it better to walk in and order

A lot places might do the same

Ashleigh1986

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 useful numbers:
Hospital capacity
ICU capacity
Vaccination numbers

Everything else is like discussing a football match in terms of numbers of throw-ins, off-sides, and subsitutions made, rather than numbers of goals scored. It's all very well that Liverpool had 10 corners compared to Southampton's 1, or 675 passes versus 352, but at the end of the day Southampton scored 1 goal and Liverpool scored 0.

Best post on this topic.
All that matters is how sick people get from this , thousands will even get it and won't know they had it .
It was obvious number of people getting the virus was going to go up once we hit the winter .
You can be sure there are a lot of people who think they have it and it will end up been the flu .
A manager from galway hospital was on local radio .
The way she was talking you would swear she was serving in a nurses tent on the front lines of World War One .
She said ... " there are 2 people in ICU in galway hospital and one person in ICU in letterkenny " ...
3 people between 2 hospitals in ICU .
At the start of this pandemic the so called experts said we could have over 200,000 dead in Ireland alone .
Talk about been wrong .

GazzaL

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Best post on this topic.
All that matters is how sick people get from this , thousands will even get it and won't know they had it .
It was obvious number of people getting the virus was going to go up once we hit the winter .
You can be sure there are a lot of people who think they have it and it will end up been the flu .
A manager from galway hospital was on local radio .
The way she was talking you would swear she was serving in a nurses tent on the front lines of World War One .
She said ... " there are 2 people in ICU in galway hospital and one person in ICU in letterkenny " ...
3 people between 2 hospitals in ICU .
At the start of this pandemic the so called experts said we could have over 200,000 dead in Ireland alone .
Talk about been wrong .

I should apologise to the Liverpool fans, but I needed an analogy :pac:

SusieBlue

I’m in a group on FB with nearly 14k other Irish women. Many are now reporting that their smear tests scheduled for the next few weeks have been cancelled.
I understand that Colposcopy clinics are all open and running for those who have referrals but screenings via GP etc. are suspended till further notice.

A few women’s GP’s have advised them to go to private clinics that are still up and running. They can have the test done there but it isn’t covered by the state, so costs about €100.
Cervical check/colposcopy clinic won’t deal with you if your smear result are from a private clinic, so any further treatment needed would be at your own expense and have to be privately funded too.

This group is largely in favour of the lockdowns so there’s no hidden agenda here. Screenings being cancelled again is awful news.

uli84

So what Level is it? A bit out of touch lately..

Boggles

uli84 wrote: »

So what Level is it? A bit out of touch lately..

How was Mars?

Ted_YNWA

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 useful numbers:
Hospital capacity
ICU capacity
Vaccination numbers

Everything else is like discussing a football match in terms of numbers of throw-ins, off-sides, and subsitutions made, rather than numbers of goals scored. It's all very well that Liverpool had 10 corners compared to Southampton's 1, or 675 passes versus 352, but at the end of the day Southampton scored 1 goal and Liverpool scored 0.

GazzaL wrote: »

I should apologise to the Liverpool fans, but I needed an analogy :pac:

Too late, you now have a target on your back.

:pac:

uli84

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m in a group on FB with nearly 14k other Irish women. Many are now reporting that their smear tests scheduled for the next few weeks have been cancelled.
I understand that Colposcopy clinics are all open and running for those who have referrals but screenings via GP etc. are suspended till further notice.

A few women’s GP’s have advised them to go to private clinics that are still up and running. They can have the test done there but it isn’t covered by the state, so costs about €100.
Cervical check/colposcopy clinic won’t deal with you if your smear result are from a private clinic, so any further treatment needed would be at your own expense and have to be privately funded too.

This group is largely in favour of the lockdowns so there’s no hidden agenda here. Screenings being cancelled again is awful news.

Cancelling screening is an awful news indeed which reminds me I still haven’t received my results, I wonder where they are 10 weeks later

JRant

uli84 wrote: »

Cancelling screening is an awful news indeed which reminds me I still haven’t received my results, I wonder where they are 10 weeks later

They should employ some astrophysicists to study the black hole that is the HSE.

JRant

JRant wrote: »

They should employ some astrophysicists to study the black hole that is the HSE.

If anyones bored just google the last ten years and youll find shocking numbers on trolleys...every year is a **** show..this year is no different in terms of the HSE BEING FOUND OUT...its like a banking institution nit a health body.

FintanMcluskey

rusty cole wrote: »

If anyones bored just google the last ten years and youll find shocking numbers on trolleys...every year is a **** show..this year is no different in terms of the HSE BEING FOUND OUT...its like a banking institution nit a health body.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/first-week-of-2020-worst-ever-for-hospital-overcrowding-1.4135852%3fmode=amp

AndrewJRenko

Deleted User wrote: »

We gave them the six week lockdown they wanted.

New members are been added for a reason

Who's the 'we' in your statement? You didn't give NPHET anything. The Government, with Leo apparently taking the lead on this one, did not act on NPHETs recommendation for a further 3-4 weeks, and we're still paying the price now.

But let's get back to the original question - what's your obsession with the inner workings of NPHET in general and Tony in particular all about, given that you have absolutely no information to go on in this area?

normanoffside

Lithuania must be really a rich country to have 4 times our ICU capacity per head of population

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1346412211917512704

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Lithuania must be really a rich country to have 4 times our ICU capacity per head of population

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1346412211917512704

Just read this and make your mind up about HSE policy..Tony et al never cease to amaze...https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/a-scandal-in-plain-sight-36878146.html

17larsson

So looks like construction is joining the rest of the country. When is that happening though? Tonight or later in the week?

You know in lithuania middle age male suicides were off the charts and so they put the well known mood stabiliser lithium in the water supply....suicides dropped dramatically..a uk professor made the case for adding this to the worlds water supply where suicides are high..funny fact but it's actually being considered by some...sorry back on track.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Who's the 'we' in your statement? You didn't give NPHET anything. The Government, with Leo apparently taking the lead on this one, did not act on NPHETs recommendation for a further 3-4 weeks, and we're still paying the price now.

But let's get back to the original question - what's your obsession with the inner workings of NPHET in general and Tony in particular all about, given that you have absolutely no information to go on in this area?

NPHET said a 6 week lockdown would get cases down to 50 - 100 a day and then start rising again in mid Jan. That’s the advice the government used to sanction the lockdown. NPHET were very wrong of course.

NPHET without Tony did NOT want to move to nationwide level 3. 48 hours later with Tony, they wanted level 5. It’s clear that one man has too much influence.

Inquitus

Deleted User wrote: »

NPHET said a 6 week lockdown would get cases down to 50 - 100 a day and then start rising again in mid Jan. That’s the advice the government used to sanction the lockdown. NPHET were very wrong of course.

NPHET without Tony did NOT want to move to nationwide level 3. 48 hours later with Tony, they wanted level 5. It’s clear that one man has too much influence.

It's also clear he was right!

Inquitus

Inquitus wrote: »

It's also clear he was right!

Not hard to be wrong though when going into lockdown is your only solution. He has no responsibility other than health. Technically lockdown will always be the right answer.

Lundstram

Stopping construction now, great idea, lets put another 80k people on the PUP while also stopping badly needed housing from being built. You won't catch Covid19 but you might be homeless.

Also, I see the sheep who sit on their arses all day shouting about 6pm curfews, I get home from work at that time and like to get out for a run or walk the dog. Do these idiots think we are all in the same boat doing nothing from one end of the day to the other?

Parabellum9

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not hard to be wrong though when going into lockdown is your only solution. He has no responsibility other than health. Technically lockdown will always be the right answer.

Full lockdown is not a solution, it’s a knee jerk reaction. If the most vulnerable are in nursing home environments you restrict visitors and implement extreme health check vetting on staff who will be present each day. You also don’t go wasting vaccine doses on those who will most likely be dead within 3 months either way regardless of covid just to pretend you are doing something meaningful. Our government have no balls, no clue and no plan and that’s the only fact that is apparent right now.

CruelSummer

Closing Construction is a big mistake. A self inflicted wound and costing the endless billions we seem to be able to conjure up without a care in the world.
1. It’s outdoors
2. Construction sites overall from what I’ve heard are very strict and don’t tolerate people not following the guidelines on site.
3. It halts major projects that we badly need eg. Children’s hospitals, roads, etc.

Poorside

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Full lockdown is not a solution, it’s a knee jerk reaction. If the most vulnerable are in nursing home environments you restrict visitors and implement extreme health check vetting on staff who will be present each day. You also don’t go wasting vaccine doses on those who will most likely be dead within 3 months either way regardless of covid just to pretend you are doing something meaningful. Our government have no balls, no clue and no plan and that’s the only fact that is apparent right now.

How do you know who is going to be dead in 3 months? Bit of a disgusting attitude really.

Silentcorner

Surely we can all agree that the ridiculously stringent restrictions over the summer months last year were a terrible decision, they solved nothing of any merit, added hugely to the misery porn fatigue understandably...not to mention the fact that if you are going to catch this virus, I'd imagine there is some merit in the suggestion that the summer time would have been the best time to catch it, the immune system is at it's healthiest.

Instead the daily baiting on media continued as did the shaming of young people who were behaving well, like young people...

Now what you get are people divided many have lost trust in the nations institutions.

growleaves

Silentcorner wrote: »

Surely we can all agree that the ridiculously stringent restrictions over the summer months last year were a terrible decision, they solved nothing of any merit, added hugely to the misery porn fatigue understandably...not to mention the fact that if you are going to catch this virus, I'd imagine there is some merit in the suggestion that the summer time would have been the best time to catch it, the immune system is at it's healthiest.

Instead the daily baiting on media continued as did the shaming of young people who were behaving well, like young people...

It'll be the same again this summer, and the people who want to lock down for summer will want to lock down for autumn, Halloween, Christmas etc.

Parabellum9

Poorside wrote: »

How do you know who is going to be dead in 3 months? Bit of a disgusting attitude really.

It’s not a disgusting attitude it’s a simple unpalatable fact - do you think the majority of nursing home residents are in tip top health or are you just playing stupid?