Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Trampas

CruelSummer wrote: »

Closing Construction is a big mistake. A self inflicted wound and costing the endless billions we seem to be able to conjure up without a care in the world.
1. It’s outdoors
2. Construction sites overall from what I’ve heard are very strict and don’t tolerate people not following the guidelines on site.
3. It halts major projects that we badly need eg. Children’s hospitals, roads, etc.

You can’t close all construction as people will need things fixing around the house.

I’m sure plenty of construction can happen where people are miles away from each other. That’s coming from someone who hangs something in house is like building a house.

Click and collect could be gone also. So can I still go and buy alcohol but wouldn’t be able to buy and collect a new keyboard, mouse or power cable from pc world? Or a toy for a child’s birthday? After a year travel testing coming in.

It’s pure making it up again as they go along. Keep saying restrictions take a few weeks to take effect but they’re acting like it’s overnight now

Parabellum9

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Full lockdown is not a solution, it’s a knee jerk reaction. If the most vulnerable are in nursing home environments you restrict visitors and implement extreme health check vetting on staff who will be present each day. You also don’t go wasting vaccine doses on those who will most likely be dead within 3 months either way regardless of covid just to pretend you are doing something meaningful. Our government have no balls, no clue and no plan and that’s the only fact that is apparent right now.

Also if we should fear such an indiscriminate killer isnt giving the jab to an 80 something on dialisis false economy?? Shouldnt a garda, nurse, teacher get it over a retiree in care whose over the national life expectancy.IF I SAY only if its such a killer....this shows us exactlt THAT its not as bad as they press say otherwise id take it the govt duty of care to all citizens is up their arse..

Poorside

Parabellum9 wrote: »

It’s not a disgusting attitude it’s a simple unpalatable fact - do you think the majority of nursing home residents are in tip top health or are you just playing stupid?

Do you think they are all on deaths door? Or are you so wrapped up in your own little self centred world that you really don't care?

Parabellum9

Poorside wrote: »

Do you think they are all on deaths door? Or are you so wrapped up in your own little self centred world that you really don't care?

Majority of them are, and I know that from experience. What experience do you have or are you just chatting **** and playing the tiny violin about something you clearly have no clue about?

vafankillar

Trampas wrote: »

You can’t close all construction as people will need things fixing around the house.

I’m sure plenty of construction can happen where people are miles away from each other. That’s coming from someone who hangs something in house is like building a house.

Click and collect could be gone also. So can I still go and buy alcohol but wouldn’t be able to buy and collect a new keyboard, mouse or power cable from pc world? Or a toy for a child’s birthday? After a year travel testing coming in.

It’s pure making it up again as they go along. Keep saying restrictions take a few weeks to take effect but they’re acting like it’s overnight now

isn't pc world justt regulary open? lots of places are still open that weren't in lockdown 1, easons is for example, just cos of school books and/or office supplies but you can still just go in and browse whathever

edit: at least as of the weekend, not sure if it's different from tomorrow

Poorside

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Majority of them are, and I know that from experience. What experience do you have or are you just chatting **** and playing the tiny violin about something you clearly have no clue about?

I have plenty of experience about it, you obviously don't even though you're pretending you do to try and gloss over the fact your attitude to elderly people in homes is disgusting.
If you had an ounce of empathy in you, you certainly wouldn't be saying vaccines " shouldn't be wasted" on them.

VonLuck

CruelSummer wrote: »

Closing Construction is a big mistake. A self inflicted wound and costing the endless billions we seem to be able to conjure up without a care in the world.
1. It’s outdoors
2. Construction sites overall from what I’ve heard are very strict and don’t tolerate people not following the guidelines on site.
3. It halts major projects that we badly need eg. Children’s hospitals, roads, etc.

1. Not always
2. The guys managing the sites say they are, but you hear countless reports of the complete opposite from the guys on the ground
3. Some essential projects will be allowed to continue

Parabellum9

Poorside wrote: »

I have plenty of experience about it, you obviously don't even though you're pretending you do to try and gloss over the fact your attitude to elderly people in homes is disgusting.
If you had an ounce of empathy in you, you certainly wouldn't be saying vaccines " shouldn't be wasted" on them.

Be realistic here and leave your emotion out of it / they are being wasted. We have a limited amount of vaccines, frontline staff should be first, nursing homes locked down to the last and continue from there. Giving vaccines to someone who is on deaths door either way is not productive or useful in any sense. That is the cold hard truth of it whether you like it or not

GazzaL

CruelSummer wrote: »

Closing Construction is a big mistake. A self inflicted wound and costing the endless billions we seem to be able to conjure up without a care in the world.
1. It’s outdoors
2. Construction sites overall from what I’ve heard are very strict and don’t tolerate people not following the guidelines on site.
3. It halts major projects that we badly need eg. Children’s hospitals, roads, etc.

Just to add, there are also restrictions for indoor works to ensure safe working, usually just a single trade in a house unless sufficient segregation is possible. Not only are the construction sites very strict, tradesmen themselves are excellent at working safely because nobody wants a health and safety incident to shut a whole site down and nobody wants to pick up COVID and bring it home.

Inquitus

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Be realistic here and leave your emotion out of it / they are being wasted. We have a limited amount of vaccines, frontline staff should be first, nursing homes locked down to the last and continue from there. Giving vaccines to someone who is on deaths door either way is not productive or useful in any sense. That is the cold hard truth of it whether you like it or not

It's the cold hard truth for someone who doesn't have old relatives who may have up to a decade left in their lives, potentially. Selfish, because it doesn't impact you and you probably don't give a shít either way.

VonLuck

GazzaL wrote: »

Just to add, there are also restrictions for indoor works to ensure safe working, usually just a single trade in a house unless sufficient segregation is possible. Not only are the construction sites very strict, tradesmen themselves are excellent at working safely because nobody wants a health and safety incident to shut a whole site down.

Doesn't happen in reality. Take a look at any building city in Dublin City centre and you can see groups of concrete workers in very close proximity maskless for the entirety of the day, then they hop into a van together off to their separate homes.

Parabellum9

Inquitus wrote: »

It's the cold hard truth for someone who doesn't have old relatives who may have up to a decade left in their lives, potentially. Selfish, because it doesn't impact you and you probably don't give a shít either way.

I’ve had 2 grandparents go to nursing homes and both died within 2 years so your decade talk is bull**** nonsense. Stop playing your violin and face facts

GazzaL

VonLuck wrote: »

Doesn't happen in reality. Take a look at any building city in Dublin City centre and you can see groups of concrete workers in very close proximity maskless for the entirety of the day, then they hop into a van together off to their separate homes.

You will always find some exception somewhere but 99% are doing the right thing on site. Construction was and still is a well-run, very low risk environment.

47akak

Parabellum9 wrote: »

I’ve had 2 grandparents go to nursing homes and both died within 2 years so your decade talk is bull**** nonsense. Stop playing your violin and face facts

You do understand your grandparents don't represent a general rule right?

Think we can say lol to the people that were saying the economy would bounce right back in 2021...

PUP has already cost 5 billion and soon we’ll have over half a million claiming it each week. Likely to continue through February at least before they start easing anything.

We’ll likely have only a small percentage vaccinated by then as well.

Honestly don’t see how we can avoid becoming financially f*cked for years to come after this mess.

JRant

Parabellum9 wrote: »

It’s not a disgusting attitude it’s a simple unpalatable fact - do you think the majority of nursing home residents are in tip top health or are you just playing stupid?

I think it would be remiss to not target that group and HCWs first. They may not be in top top condition but for the sake of a few euro per jab they deserve a little extra protection.

Del Griffith

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Think we can say lol to the people that were saying the economy would bounce right back in 2021...

PUP has already cost 5 billion and soon we’ll have over half a million claiming it each week. Likely to continue through February at least before they start easing anything.

We’ll likely have only a small percentage vaccinated by then as well.

Honestly don’t see how we can avoid becoming financially f*cked for years to come after this mess.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, the economy will reopen strong as activity will pick up where it left off imo, but the debt from the lockdowns will be there for a generation alright.

Parabellum9

Parabellum9 wrote: »

I’ve had 2 grandparents go to nursing homes and both died within 2 years so your decade talk is bull**** nonsense. Stop playing your violin and face facts

My mother lived in her nursing home for nearly four years, until covid killed her.
She had dementia, so required 24/7 supervision but physically she was in good health. I have no reason to believe she wouldn't still be alive today only for covid. My grandmother spent over seven years in a nursing home with Alzheimers.

Your claim that nursing home residents are mere months away from death is bull**** nonsense, and your attitude that vaccines are wasted on them, is abhorrent.

GazzaL

Deleted User wrote: »

Think we can say lol to the people that were saying the economy would bounce right back in 2021...

PUP has already cost 5 billion and soon we’ll have over half a million claiming it each week. Likely to continue through February at least before they start easing anything.

We’ll likely have only a small percentage vaccinated by then as well.

Honestly don’t see how we can avoid becoming financially f*cked for years to come after this mess.

The people who can work from home, plus the teachers, public servants and self-serving politicians who will be on full pay whether there's work or not will be fine, if not better off. Everyone else is getting ****ed though.

Parabellum9

Parabellum9 wrote: »

I’ve had 2 grandparents go to nursing homes and both died within 2 years so your decade talk is bull**** nonsense. Stop playing your violin and face facts

This is what we were told by my mothers GP and by the nursing home my mother is in. When she went there initially we were told that the average length of life a person has after going into a nursing home is 2 years. This happened with my Dad and my aunt too.

That is all I am saying. I have no opinion on vaccines in nursing homes. I am glad my mum is getting hers soon. She is not 2 years in her nursing home yet.

froog

GazzaL wrote: »

There are only 3 useful numbers:
Hospital capacity
ICU capacity
Vaccination numbers

and deaths.

patnor1011

Well worth to read. Op-ed from a doctor.

As a doctor, I’ve studied the data swirling around this perplexing Covid virus. One stark truth stands out: lockdowns don’t work.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/12/30/what-is-left-to-say/

JRant

GazzaL wrote: »

The people who can work from home, plus the teachers, public servants and self-serving politicians who will be on full pay whether there's work or not will be fine, if not better off. Everyone else is getting ****ed though.

Very few are going to be better off by the time this thing comes to an end.

JRant

Prime Time is an absolute delight tonight. If you like your misery porn don't miss it.

One of the super duper junior ministers for something or other had a lovely slip where he said schools would be closed for 6 weeks. His face was priceless when asked to clarify and he responded that he said 3 weeks

Skyfloater

47akak wrote: »

You do understand your grandparents don't represent a general rule right?

Is the median residence not 16 months or so?
For what it's worth, an aunt of mine lasted less than 48 hours.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not hard to be wrong though when going into lockdown is your only solution. He has no responsibility other than health. Technically lockdown will always be the right answer.

That's a turn up for the books! JD reckons lockdown is the right solution and the right answer.

the_pen_turner

GazzaL wrote: »

You will always find some exception somewhere but 99% are doing the right thing on site. Construction was and still is a well-run, very low risk environment.

construction is run very well in general but not for covid. since may 18 i have worked 6 days a week, most on sites. one off housing mostly. i havnt seen one tradesman wear a mask working during the day. not one of those sites had toilet facilities or a tap to wash your hands. you get a hose on the ground if your lucky.

most trades travel together and go to the shop together.
the only thing i have seen is that trades are kept apart if posible so the block layers do their thing with only them on site , then the scafolders only , then roofers etc. but most weeks there are days where there are random people in measuring windows or stone work , kitchens etc.
today alone there was 6 people on site that had nothing to do with what we were doing

AndrewJRenko

Deleted User wrote: »

NPHET said a 6 week lockdown would get cases down to 50 - 100 a day and then start rising again in mid Jan. That’s the advice the government used to sanction the lockdown. NPHET were very wrong of course.

NPHET without Tony did NOT want to move to nationwide level 3. 48 hours later with Tony, they wanted level 5. It’s clear that one man has too much influence.

Don't make me point out the case numbers that emerged over those 48 hours again.

NPHET never gave any commitment that any kind of lockdown would result in specific case numbers.

rusty cole wrote: »

Just read this and make your mind up about HSE policy..Tony et al never cease to amaze...

Tony isn't responsible for HSE policy.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Stopping construction now, great idea, lets put another 80k people on the PUP while also stopping badly needed housing from being built. You won't catch Covid19 but you might be homeless.

Also, I see the sheep who sit on their arses all day shouting about 6pm curfews, I get home from work at that time and like to get out for a run or walk the dog. Do these idiots think we are all in the same boat doing nothing from one end of the day to the other?

I'm curious as to whether teachers will be humbled into a temporary paycut like the rest of us denied work...what a startling coincidence, a pig just flew past my window.

froog

patnor1011 wrote: »

Well worth to read. Op-ed from a doctor.

As a doctor, I’ve studied the data swirling around this perplexing Covid virus. One stark truth stands out: lockdowns don’t work.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/12/30/what-is-left-to-say/

his entire point is that there is no statistically significant death spike this winter in most countries, unlike the march spike.

i mean, isn't that because we weren't ready for the first spike, and now we are, and are preemptively locking down? i.e. we are successfully dealing with the winter wave.