Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

patnor1011

Lockdowns and restrictions.

Catastrophe Is All Around Us.

https://www.aier.org/article/catastrophe-is-all-around-us/

SnuggyBear

patnor1011 wrote: »

Because they need to see this thing rolling. It gained some momentum and it can't be stopped now. Nobody is even thinking about what they say now nevermind question them.
This relentless scaremongering and media fear machine beat us in submission. First, it was talking about sacrifice for short time then about necessity till vaccine and now they even talk about this being new normal. We will be rewarded every couple of months for a week or two of some "relaxation" funny thing though is that these people do not have a clue how businesses operate. They think you can open and close shops at a whim and have other businesses waiting for whoever knows how long.
This is like deja vu for people who lived in socialist countries. Apparatchiks telling everyone what is and what is not allowed, people snitching on neighbors, vague promises about how things get better one day and all of it because of "pandemic" which affect a small minority of the population and even from those affected only tiny fraction may die.

I don't have the energy to question anything anymore. Half be the time I don't know what the rules are, so bored of it all. At this stage I know loads of people who got the virus, everyone of them was fine.
Some people have said to me they are happy to lock down again because they want to extend the Christmas break. And people say nobody likes lockdown? Bull****.

paw patrol

paw patrol wrote: »

ffs I dislike engaging with posters like you

the whole "uh,it's the daily mail " commentary. : rolleyes:
instead of seeing if the story or claim is true. moronic behaviour.

you don't like zerohedge and their views, that's fine.

But that article has linked to every claim they made and instead of reading it and ripping the claims apart you just sneer at the source.

I guess your bias wouldn't allow for critical thinking.
More fool you and maybe me too for wasting my time with posters like you.




Dunno - ask the HSE or Dept of health, if I knew that i'd be less frustrated with the whole thing

The HPSC's own guidance clearly lays out that
1. Cycle counts over 30 are considered high and 35 very high
2. detection of a single target at a high or a very high Ct value should be: (a) reported as either equivocal or not detected based or (b) retested on the same or a second platform before reporting
3. In an assay detecting a single target, detection of that target at a high or very high Ct value should result retesting on the same or a second platform before reporting
4. . Samples with high or very high Ct values that are not reproducible on re-testing should generally be reported to the effect that SARS-CoV-2 RNA was either not confirmed, or SARS-CoV-2 RNA was not detected.
5. In general, someone who has had a previous positive test should not be retested within 12 weeks unless they develop symptoms.
6. If the sample has a Ct value of less than 30, even if asymptomatic, the person should generally be managed as a confirmed infectious case
7. . There are very few reports of viable SARS-CoV-2 virus being retrieved in culture from clinical specimens with a Ct value of >34.


https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/outbreakmanagementguidance/PCR%20weak%20results%20guidance.pdf


This wholly and completely debunks the PCR false positive narrative. It will continue to be ignored however as some people take comfort in their conspiracies rather than engage in reality.

Happydays2020

Dempo1 wrote: »

Very curious little development, seems government seeking to strengthen and refresh the NPHET team, could he be they are not handling the truth well?

I note one appointment is a professor who very publicly disagreed with Cillian De Guscon"s assertions that the new strain was not the primary cause of this latest surge (contradicting Meehole & Leaky Leo) He used a small sample (which was all that was available) got a figure of 9%, it's now roughly 25% which would suggest he's still right.

The cynic in me thinks Government trying to reign in on the Truth and take control of the narrative, also Curious secretary General of the department of public expenditure and reform being added to NPHET team at the behest of the utterly incompetent Stephen Donnelly, an individual who has actively pushed against any and all restrictions.

Whatever is going on, it's been a shocking performance by government who clearly misjudged the consequences of ignoring NPHET advice and sadly not for the first time. 3 weeks of madness has led to this latest debacle.


https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/government-adds-three-medical-specialists-to-nphet-lineup-39936974.html

Interesting that nearly every one of those assertions could be turned around in favour of the Government. Truth like everything else is somewhere in the middle.

MOH

MOH wrote: »

There shouldn't be any spinning of anything.
There should be consistent, unbiased reporting of the figures , something we haven't had in at least 6 months.

Numbers are numbers. Where is the bias? Just because they don't support the narrative that people try to tell themselves?

We are now getting paid to look after other peoples money for 10 years

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/state-5-5bn-bond-sale-one-third-of-borrowing-to-cover-covid-crisis-1.4450415

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sure.
A very small price to pay considering similar graphs which happens to show a sharp decline in cancer deaths, heart, stroke, COPD, lower respiratory, Alzheimer, flu, and diabetes deaths since nearly everything now is covid death.

Klonker

I think closing construction sites is short sighted. Also, closing all except essential and social housing leaves a bad taste I think. The people who are getting houses paid for by the state ,their houses won't be delayed but the people who actually pay for their own houses, their houses will be delayed. Why is one getting preferential treatment over the other.

SeeMoreBut

Dempo1 wrote: »

Very curious little development, seems government seeking to strengthen and refresh the NPHET team, could he be they are not handling the truth well?

I note one appointment is a professor who very publicly disagreed with Cillian De Guscon"s assertions that the new strain was not the primary cause of this latest surge (contradicting Meehole & Leaky Leo) He used a small sample (which was all that was available) got a figure of 9%, it's now roughly 25% which would suggest he's still right.

The cynic in me thinks Government trying to reign in on the Truth and take control of the narrative, also Curious secretary General of the department of public expenditure and reform being added to NPHET team at the behest of the utterly incompetent Stephen Donnelly, an individual who has actively pushed against any and all restrictions.

Whatever is going on, it's been a shocking performance by government who clearly misjudged the consequences of ignoring NPHET advice and sadly not for the first time. 3 weeks of madness has led to this latest debacle.


https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/government-adds-three-medical-specialists-to-nphet-lineup-39936974.html

No harm in bringing in some new faces as current group can get caught in a single mindset and new faces can give a different view.


We seem to be reacting to whatever UK do and the consent changing just makes it look like we have no plan and just reacting all the time.

Seems strange that non essential shops weren't an issue a week ago to no click and collect.

Still crazy that you can buy beer but won't be able to by clothing or toys by walking up to a shop. Maybe it is due to the amount of tax on it

_Kaiser_

Klonker wrote: »

I think closing construction sites is short sighted. Also, closing all except essential and social housing leaves a bad taste I think. The people who are getting houses paid for by the state ,their houses won't be delayed but the people who actually pay for their own houses, their houses will be delayed. Why is one getting preferential treatment over the other.

Because 'social housing' is the catch-all solution to the wider housing crisis - apparently!

Forget affordability, or the rental situation, or the economic and social problems caused by increasing welfare dependency.

It's probably also to do with the commitment to scrap direct provision and give them 'own door' housing instead.

We're great at looking after people in this country - except those who actually pay most for everything.

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

The confusion?
From the start, we were told it's nothing like flu. Even those symptoms for both are different and if someone even suggested covid is like bad flu he was nearly crucified.
What if mainly in this time of the year it is actually the other way around? Perhaps most of the cases we see now are actually flu and not covid. We all know that PCR tests are not what we were told they are.

Jesus Christ!

This is not new information:

Both COVID-19 and flu can have varying degrees of signs and symptoms, ranging from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe symptoms. Common symptoms that COVID-19 and flu share include:

Fever or feeling feverish/chills
Cough
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Fatigue (tiredness)
Sore throat
Runny or stuffy nose
Muscle pain or body aches
Headache
Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults

None of that means that one is not significantly more serious than the other.

And the PCR sh*te has been thoroughly debunked

47akak

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I found it very strange that an illness like flu was just completely wiped out over night. Apparently all due to masks and distancing. But those same measures can’t prevent us having thousands of cases of Covid.

It makes perfect sense that flu cases just go down as Covid now. Especially with Tony saying similar.

No doubt we’ll be pointed to the conspiracy theory forum until it’s proven correct though.

Your assumption is based on ignorance.

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

Epidemiologist Says Influenza Cases Are Being Counted As COVID-19

Top epidemiologist Knut Wittkowski says that the massive drop in influenza cases can be attributed to the fact that many are being falsely counted as COVID-19 cases.
Wittkowski, former Head of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at Rockefeller University, cautioned that, “Influenza has been renamed COVID-19 in large part.”

According to CDC figures, the cumulative positive influenza test rate from late September into the week of December 19th was just 0.2%, compared to 8.7% from a year before.

According to Wittkowski, this is because many flu infections are being incorrectly labeled as coronavirus cases.

“There may be quite a number of influenza cases included in the ‘presumed COVID-19’ category of people who have COVID-19 symptoms (which Influenza symptoms can be mistaken for), but are not tested for SARS RNA,” Wittkowski told Just the News.

Those patients may “also may have some SARS RNA sitting in their nose while being infected with Influenza, in which case the influenza would be ‘confirmed’ to be COVID-19,” he added.

Wittkowski challenges the notion that masks and social distancing have resulted in a drop in flu cases, asserting that flu and COVID-19 viruses are “more similar than people want to acknowledge.”

“People know everybody is wearing masks and distancing, and so people want to come up with things that are good about it,” he said.

In places like California and Pennsylvania where mask wearing is most common, COVID-19 cases have continued to skyrocket.

As Just the News notes, “Data indicate that more than nine out of every 10 Americans in most states are wearing masks in public regularly; those numbers have been above 80% since the early fall. Yet average positive COVID-19 tests have multiplied by nearly seven times since the spring peak.”


And some interesting reading about vaccines:
Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186?via%3Dihub


Are we really that dumb to pretend some pandemic end of the world is upon us?

So in tests where they test specifically for Influenza they find a 0.2% positive rate, compared to 8.7% last year. And yet Mr Wittkowski believes there is widespread flu.


This is what his former employer has to say about Mr. Wittkowski

The opinions that have been expressed by Knut Wittkowski, discouraging social distancing in order to hasten the development of herd immunity to the novel coronavirus, do not represent the views of The Rockefeller University, its leadership, or its faculty.

Wittkowski was previously employed by Rockefeller as a biostatistician. He has never held the title of professor at Rockefeller.

Boggles

Knut is basically an anagram of his own name.

pjohnson

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because 'social housing' is the catch-all solution to the wider housing crisis - apparently!

Forget affordability, or the rental situation, or the economic and social problems caused by increasing welfare dependency.

It's probably also to do with the commitment to scrap direct provision and give them 'own door' housing instead.

We're great at looking after people in this country - except those who actually pay most for everything.

Oooh is this getting ready to morph into a classic boards anti-welfare thread? Not suprising anti-restrictions are also anti-welfare, these movements do attract the same type.

facehugger99

Klonker wrote: »

I think closing construction sites is short sighted. Also, closing all except essential and social housing leaves a bad taste I think. The people who are getting houses paid for by the state ,their houses won't be delayed but the people who actually pay for their own houses, their houses will be delayed. Why is one getting preferential treatment over the other.

Not a single decision has been made since March that has not had 'politics' at it's core.


There is no logic or science behind any of these decisions, just a a Government using billions of taxpayer funds to placate a hysterical mob on social media.

Hooked

Ah, Ireland...

Almost 10 months ago we were all told to "play our part" to protect the health system... Rolling lockdowns. Clueless politicians. Level 3 plus. Level 5 minus 2 NPHET terrifying the country. Useless fabric face coverings. Blah blah blah.

I, for one, am delighted that the **** is about to hit the fan.

Maybe now THEY will actually have do something... to help us!

Few more ICU beds would be a start!

Imbeciles

copeyhagen

Hooked wrote: »

Ah, Ireland...

Almost 10 months ago we were all told to "play our part" to protect the health system... Rolling lockdowns. Clueless politicians. Level 3 plus. Level 5 minus 2 NPHET terrifying the country. Useless fabric face coverings. Blah blah blah.

I, for one, am delighted that the **** is about to hit the fan.

Maybe now THEY will actually have do something... to help us!

Few more ICU beds would be a start!

Imbeciles

but, but ICDU beds take time.. ten months later.

meanwhile, China built an ICU ward over a weekend in the worst of this global pandemic...

Annd9

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because 'social housing' is the catch-all solution to the wider housing crisis - apparently!

Forget affordability, or the rental situation, or the economic and social problems caused by increasing welfare dependency.

It's probably also to do with the commitment to scrap direct provision and give them 'own door' housing instead.

We're great at looking after people in this country - except those who actually pay most for everything.

And I assume the private development's you talk of will have all the necessary covid restrictions in place to protect the builders who would be working there ?

Will the owners of the houses be willing to pay for separate toilets ?a cleaner to make sure they are disinfected ? Somebody checking temperatures at the door ? These are things the council/ big developers can afford but not sure your average house build can aspire to .

sprucemoose

47akak wrote: »

If everyone assumes it's Covid and isolates Covid will go away even if a majority of times it isn't Covid. It will be Covid enough times to make a big difference to R. If the usual suspects prefer to assume it's not and don't refusing to listen to common sense advice from Tony Holohan it will continue to spread rapidly in the absence of the lockdown. And surely to God the efficacy of lockdowns is now beyond debate, given what happened over Xmas. Now certain to shoot past the Springs hospitalisation peak.

Common sense & rational thinking why not try it. I assume all those mocking Holohan's suggestions will self-diagnose a cold or a flu instead of Covid and continue their normal routine? Head in to work. Visit people. Go to restaurants. Do you see any connection between your mindset and behaviour and the spread of Covid?

stop making sense, it seems this thread is for mainly for people who like to ignore just how much the relaxing of restrictions before christmas has to do with this situation

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

Oooh is this getting ready to morph into a classic boards anti-welfare thread? Not suprising anti-restrictions are also anti-welfare, these movements do attract the same type.

Don't get too excited! It was a single post in response to a tangent raised by the poster I quoted.

Here's another revelation for you - there's no such thing as "types" beyond the nonsense on Twitter. Most people will have a variety of different views (liberal AND conservative) on different topics.

I have no issue with social housing for those who actually need it - however I DO have an issue with it being "for life" or that it can be "inherited" down through families. I have even more of an issue with bumping our own citizens on the waiting lists for the sake of virtue-signalling.

But I digress. Not the thread for this topic really so I'll leave it there.

MOH

sprucemoose wrote: »

stop making sense, it seems this thread is for mainly for people who like to ignore just how much the relaxing of restrictions before christmas has to do with this situation

The unnecessarily strict restrictions which had been implemented with the promise of giving people a semi-normal Christmas, which were relaxed alongside the Trump-like boasting of how amazing we were, which encouraged people to throw caution to the wind?

Yeah, sorry, not much sense there, I'm afraid.

sprucemoose

MOH wrote: »

The unnecessarily strict restrictions which had been implemented with the promise of giving people a semi-normal Christmas, which were relaxed alongside the Trump-like boasting of how amazing we were, which encouraged people to throw caution to the wind?

Yeah, sorry, not much sense there, I'm afraid.

.... i mean,yes? the relaxing over christmas was always going to be a mistake, give a large number of people in this country an inch and they take much more than a mile

gmisk

copeyhagen wrote: »

but, but ICDU beds take time.. ten months later.

meanwhile, China built an ICU ward over a weekend in the worst of this global pandemic...

I think ICU ward should be in brackets....
Firing up a load of dodgy looking portacabins isn't an ICU ward...that might fly in China but it wouldnt here.

GreeBo

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah. He mustn’t be entitled to a voice so.

Time we started getting the younger guys opinions, they will pay for this mess longer than overpaid public servants mandating lockdown at every opportunity

Yeah and they have so much experience of covid, being the ones spreading it.
They can easily discuss their theories at their parties too.

acequion

GazzaL wrote: »

I don't want to get into a public vs private sector debate, but having met a few teachers who were grinning ear-to-ear at the thought of being off work for an extended period on full pay, it's hard to have any sympathy for them. Likewise, many of the people shouting loudest to shut everything down are those who will still be working on full pay. We're not all in this together.

I suggest you take your obvious hatred of teachers somewhere else because this thread is not the place. Your remarks are extremely ignorant and you clearly just want to find a scapegoat.

GreeBo

gmisk wrote: »

I think ICU ward should be in brackets....
Firing up a load of dodgy looking portacabins isn't an ICU ward...that might fly in China but it wouldnt here.

The 1000 beef "hospital" they built in Wuhan only had 30 ICU beds...

SEPT 23 1989

Klonker wrote: »

I think closing construction sites is short sighted. Also, closing all except essential and social housing leaves a bad taste I think. The people who are getting houses paid for by the state ,their houses won't be delayed but the people who actually pay for their own houses, their houses will be delayed. Why is one getting preferential treatment over the other.

it should be all construction or none

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

So in tests where they test specifically for Influenza they find a 0.2% positive rate, compared to 8.7% last year. And yet Mr Wittkowski believes there is widespread flu.


This is what his former employer has to say about Mr. Wittkowski

yes because they're totally trustworthy

https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2018/10/22/misconduct


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I’m reading a lot of posts on here and social media etc saying “Stay safe everyone” and things like that...

Perfectly healthy young people... I feel tempted to comment and remind them that less than 50 people under 65 have died in half a year. And even those that did had underlying health issues.

The main demographic dying from this remains people above life expectancy age that are already in poor health.

The hospital figures are no longer reliable either. It’s mainly people that have caught Covid in hospital. How many are actually sick?

I don’t know why but it just does my head in that people think we are in such danger. You’d swear the country was surrounded by enemy ships and an air strike was due any minute.