Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

While it might not be pleasant (particularly for those that live alone and are unable to form a bubble for whatever reason) to pretend the population is incapable of foregoing socialising for a month is just silly.

But it’s not been a month it’s silly of you to suggest so

It started last March with some reprieve for a limited amount of time

It’s likely to last into April at least, the PUP has been extended until March 31st

facehugger99

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So that’s suggesting restrictions aren’t the answer.

It must be the home where most spreading is occurring

Isn’t it better to have people socialise in controlled environments as opposed to the home?

Restrictions are likely to make the spread worse

Of course and blindingly obvious to even the most idiotic.

What's Ireland's response? - close all retail, hairdressers and cafes and implement a 5km travel restriction.

It's almost funny.

The only reason these restriction are being implemented is to cover the arses of our political leaders if the health service goes tits-up.

The price they are willing to pay (with our money) to absolve themselves of any blame, knows no limit.

uli84

Is the “bubble” thing still going?

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s strange

I thought it was regional restrictions in France with schools still attended

I agreed with your previous post that schools are still attended. I haven't said otherwise in the post you quoted. Is schools being shut your barometer for suppression?

sprucemoose

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Irish citizens are incredibly compliant regarding mask wearing fines are not required.

agreed



we are however not overly compliant in wearing them properly, thus reducing their effectiveness to a massive extent

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

I agreed with your previous post that schools are still attended. I haven't said otherwise in the post you quoted. Is schools being shut your barometer for suppression?

Regionality to the restrictions is my barometer

Noting more idiotic than blanket restrictions

FintanMcluskey

sprucemoose wrote: »

we are however not overly compliant in wearing them properly, thus reducing their effectiveness to a massive extent

Isn’t that the argument against them?

Ashleigh1986

It's not down to the amount of people in hospital with covid .... It's the amount of staff that are not working .
Huge amount of staff are absent from work in Irish hospitals since Christmas .
Why is that ?
Are they afraid of catching the virus in their workplace ?
The sooner all members of staff in hospitals are vaccinated the better .

sprucemoose

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Isn’t that the argument against them?

its thats the argument against then its no argument. if everyone would just wear them properly (not that difficult, cover your mouth and nose its pretty simple) then there would be alot more protection offered when people have to be in public. not 100% effective of course, but i think its pretty much accepted now that wearing masks helps alot,even if it was questioned at the start of things

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Regionality to the restrictions is my barometer

Noting more idiotic than blanket restrictions

...and we eventually agree on something!

It had to happen at some stage.

zerosugarbuzz

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

There’s been a lot of suffering and lockdowns for a pandemic with very few excess deaths. The penny will drop at some point, we have a lot of paid politicians who’ll be more than aware of this. Kind of takes the wind out of the COVID cheerleaders sails though. Here we are in level 5 lockdown again. Mind boggling.

Did people involved in car accidents who don't fly through the window because of their seat belt conclude that because they didn't fly through the window they no longer need a seat belt?

Ultimately , the government/NPHET have no idea what they are doing. They copied the rest of the world last spring by going into lockdown and despite the fact that there is little evidence they are helping, it’s their only solution.

The more lockdown fails, the harder we lockdown.

There is a group of 50 teenagers on the green across from me right now. They were having a snowball fight that had now escalated into fist fights.

It’s human nature to socialise. Our very existence relies on a man and a woman getting close

You can be outraged by this but it’s not going to stop. The more you put people out of school and out of work, the more free time they have to socialise.

josip

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Irish citizens are incredibly compliant regarding mask wearing fines are not required.

They weren't so compliant at the super spreader funeral in Ramsgrange a few weeks ago that put the New Ross ED top of the national charts.
One of the people who was wearing a mask at the funeral afters said they were mocked by others there.

CruelSummer

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But we never ploughed on.

We implemented social distancing hand washing and mask wearing as the most basic mitigation.

We closed the social scenes in Dublin for all but a month.

We forced people to socialise in uncontrolled environments

Prohibition doesn’t work

We now closed everything, without any evidence of cases, to further force socialising into uncontrollable environments

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I think while no vaccine or treatments existed and hospitals were empty, as much as possible should have been opened with distancing/basic measures. However I don't think that's the case at all now.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I think while no vaccine or treatments existed and hospitals were empty, as much as possible should have been opened with distancing/basic measures. However I don't think that's the case at all now.

I agree to an extent. The case numbers are obviously very high and we have vaccines now. Might as well tolerate it a little longer and give the vaccine a chance to work.

But we need to be making fast progress and relaxing restrictions as much as possible when we get the elderly vaccinated.

I hope it runs smooth enough. I fear it won’t.

risteard7

So I'll be vaccinated next week, ED, ICU and isolation first. Then the general wards. I'm not sure of the protocol if you dont want it though

sprucemoose

risteard7 wrote: »

So I'll be vaccinated next week, ED, ICU and isolation first.

erectile dysfunction means youre top of the queue??? finally an upside!

risteard7

sprucemoose wrote: »

erectile dysfunction means youre top of the queue??? finally an

Strange reply and makes absolutely no sense but anyway. Good man

sprucemoose

risteard7 wrote: »

sprucemoose wrote: »

Strange reply and makes absolutely no sense but anyway. Good man

it does, while ED stands for Emergency Department it also stands for Erectile Dysfunction. It was a joke

risteard7

sprucemoose wrote: »

risteard7 wrote: »

it does, while ED stands for Emergency Department it also stands for Erectile Dysfunction. It was a joke

Apologies ðŸ™႒

zerosugarbuzz

Deleted User wrote: »

Did people involved in car accidents who don't fly through the window because of their seat belt conclude that because they didn't fly through the window they no longer need a seat belt?

Seriously, try harder or don’t try at all.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Ultimately , the government/NPHET have no idea what they are doing. They copied the rest of the world last spring by going into lockdown and despite the fact that there is little evidence they are helping, it’s their only solution.

Did a Grifter with 6 ways to donate tell you that? :pac:

Spoiler: They just want your money, they don't even believe the nonsense they are peddling.

Ireland made a big mistaking copying the rest of the world, they should have just ignored it, be grand shure, doesn't really exist anyway.

FintanMcluskey

CruelSummer wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I think while no vaccine or treatments existed and hospitals were empty, as much as possible should have been opened with distancing/basic measures. However I don't think that's the case at all now.

You had said the vaccines aren’t a silver bullet though, are you happy to continue with restrictions each Winter/Spring?

The lockdown is completely nuclear. I can’t see the justification for gyms to be forced to shut?

It’s likely the cases were naturally dropping before the latest measures were announced yesterday. But of course like last October they gradually reached the nuclear restriction level without any data to quantify the effectiveness of previous less destructive levels of restrictions implemented shortly before.

And of course we are still ignoring the sunk cost of restrictions

There is monumental side effects of what will have done for 10 months and will likely continue until April.

zerosugarbuzz

Boggles wrote: »

Did a Grifter with 6 ways to donate tell you that? :pac:

Spoiler: They just want your money, they don't even believe the nonsense they are peddling.

Ireland made a big mistaking copying the rest of the world, they should have just ignored it, be grand shure, doesn't really exist anyway.

If the old, the vulnerable And their careers stayed in for a couple of months and the virus swept through the Rest of the population, we’d come out of this a lot faster. That’s not palatable though so we All have to stay in.

Tenzor07

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

If the old, the vulnerable And their careers stayed in for a couple of months and the virus swept through the Rest of the population, we’d come out of this a lot faster. That’s not palatable though so we All have to stay in.

Thought the idea was that if the Government put all the resources currently being put into Business payments, unemployment payments, and all other state costs such as Garda overtime into protecting the vulnerable and then giving the Vaccines to the young and mobile then the State wouldn't have to tell all citizens to stay indoors at home?

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Did a Grifter with 6 ways to donate tell you that? :pac:

Spoiler: They just want your money, they don't even believe the nonsense they are peddling.

Ireland made a big mistaking copying the rest of the world, they should have just ignored it, be grand shure, doesn't really exist anyway.

The greatest illusion is perhaps that Ireland copied the rest of the world with its Covid mitigation measures.

Ireland copied the world last March, then went on a solo run for months with absolutely little reprieve for citizens.

All the while ignoring the WHO of course

Boggles

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

If the old, the vulnerable And their careers stayed in for a couple of months and the virus swept through the Rest of the population, we’d come out of this a lot faster. That’s not palatable though so we All have to stay in.

Not remotely possible you mean.

That reminds me where did the "Herd Immunity" nuts go that were peddling their scutter during the summer.

Seem very quiet now.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Did a Grifter with 6 ways to donate tell you that? :pac:

Spoiler: They just want your money, they don't even believe the nonsense they are peddling.

Ireland made a big mistaking copying the rest of the world, they should have just ignored it, be grand shure, doesn't really exist anyway.

I suppose when all is said an done, if Sweden keep ignoring lockdown, we'll have the answer, history will tell the tale so. They went the opposite way to the world narrative so that will be interesting whatever the result in the end.

I remember a prominent Swedish scientist saying last April that a year from then, most countries will show the end result is the same lockdown or not, the difference will be those that didn't will have an economy.

I'll try get the video or interview, I thought it was bold statement myself.

trixi001

And this is why we lockdowns are wrong

https://joynews.co.za/tragic-canadian-woman-euthanized-because-of-her-loneliness/

IF one elderly woman was willing to go to these lengths, just think how many suicides there have been too..

Lockdowns create a massive problem, and ignoring this is just increasing the problem, something needs to be done to reverse the negative effects of the lockdown - announce something positive - an extra weeks bank holiday post covid or something - give people something to look forward too - not more doom and gloom!

SMC92Ian

trixi001 wrote: »

And this is why we lockdowns are wrong

https://joynews.co.za/tragic-canadian-woman-euthanized-because-of-her-loneliness/

IF one elderly woman was willing to go to these lengths, just think how many suicides there have been too..

Lockdowns create a massive problem, and ignoring this is just increasing the problem, something needs to be done to reverse the negative effects of the lockdown - announce something positive - an extra weeks bank holiday post covid or something - give people something to look forward too - not more doom and gloom!

It's only doom and gloom if you let it. 2020 had a lot of great things for me personally.