Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

almostover wrote: »

What do you suggest is done differently to deal with COVID can I ask. Let it run free and allow our health service end up like northern Italy in March 2020?

All criticism by you on how lockdown don't work to suppress COVID. So let's have it then, what's your big idea that would work better?

One thing is fact. There is a direct correlation between increased social interactions and rising COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths in this country. Similarly a direct correlation between increased lockdown restrictions and diminishing COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Granted correlation does not imply causation. But right now lockdown is all we've got to protect the health service from being overwhelmed.

What is your viable alternative? If you've none then just shut up.

Immediately your credibility is diminished when you suggest Ireland Could end up like Lombardy in 2020.

You have completely ignored the unique demographics of that region but used it to display a remedial lack of knowledge on the subject and statistics when discussing an issue.

My alternative is to identify exactly where transmission is occurring and implement a roadmap that minimises isolation of citizens long term as it does not work. Get socialising occurring in safe places like is happening across Europe.

Many still can’t grasp that humans are indoctrinated to seek company in groups or socialise in layman’s terms.

Finally, the pathetic immature insult to “shut up” yet again displays the intellect of argument that was seen storming the Capitol building midweek.

almostover

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Immediately your credibility is diminished when you suggest Ireland Could end up like Lombardy in 2020.

You have completely ignored the unique demographics of that region but used it to display a remedial lack of knowledge on the subject and statistics when discussing an issue.

My alternative is to identify exactly where transmission is occurring and implement a roadmap that minimises isolation of citizens long term as it does not work. Get socialising occurring in safe places like is happening across Europe.

Many still can’t grasp that humans are indoctrinated to seek company in groups or socialise in layman’s terms.

Finally, the pathetic immature insult to “shut up” yet again displays the intellect of argument that was seen storming the Capitol building midweek.

What safe places is socialisation happening across Europe? Genuine question as I'm not aware of it. I speak with many people across Europe as part of my work and it seems to me that they're facing similar if not more restricted regimes to us in Ireland.

This thread has gradually become more and more disconnected from reality as facts overtake your rhetoric. I think a few are about a week away from storming the department of health dressed in the hide of a goat taken from the mcgillicuddy reeks

Kermit.de.frog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Finally, the pathetic immature insult to “shut up” yet again displays the intellect of argument

A bit rich really.

Other posters are being insulted and demeaned here every single day - "curtain twitchers, fear mongerers, bed wetters", ludicrous questioning of motivations, questioning how people live etc.

It's not so nice is it?

In support of the other poster - please explain in detail your viable alternative.

FintanMcluskey

almostover wrote: »

What safe places is socialisation happening across Europe? Genuine question as I'm not aware of it. I speak with many people across Europe as part of my work and it seems to me that they're facing similar if not more restricted regimes to us in Ireland.

Well then one of us is lying as we both can make the same claim with opposite results.

I assume all schools, restaurants, cafes, construction and non essential retail are shut across Europe on blanket restrictions and your colleges can concur?

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A bit rich really.

Other posters are being insulted and demeaned here every single day - "curtain twitchers, fear mongerers, bed wetters", ludicrous questioning of motivations, questioning how people live etc.

It's not so nice is it?

You will search a long way back through my posts to find anything of the kind Kermit!

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

This thread has gradually become more and more disconnected from reality as facts overtake your rhetoric. I think a few are about a week away from storming the department of health dressed in the hide of a goat taken from the mcgillicuddy reeks

Your posts are starting to worry me.

Take care of yourself

Mr. Karate

JRant wrote: »

Sure, it's money for jam for doctors. Ring up with a migraine - that's a COVID test. Have an itchy sack - COVID test before you can set foot in the place.

Not all doctors are like this but it seems you need a negative test before some of them will let you set foot in the place.

Some of them are ridiculous. My doctor is just phoning/emailing prescriptions into the pharmacy when I call with an issue.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your posts are starting to worry me.

Take care of yourself

Others have been disconnected from reality since the start

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Others have been disconnected from reality since the start

They really have.

The only thing I’ll say is that it’s not to late to say to oneself that perhaps not everyone can be correct.

patnor1011

JRant wrote: »

Everyone knows someone like this. I know two such people who couldn't wait to get the test and have had multiple tests since, even though they are both WFH and barely go out.

There is not just that kind of people. My own neighbors and couple old ladies my wife does some cleaning for live their life fully. Or at least as much as it is possible while on lockdown. All of them over 80 and have to say full of life. Since they cant meet in pubs or restaurants they meet at their own houses and enjoy drinking tea, gossip, companion.
Not everyone in the old or vulnerable category resigned from living and resort to consuming a daily dose of fear porn from every radio or tv station.
Some of them already had it and one thing they told me will resonate in my mind for a long time. You can't have a healthy body without a healthy mind or that your body is only as healthy as your mind is.

patnor1011

almostover wrote: »

What do you suggest is done differently to deal with COVID can I ask. Let it run free and allow our health service end up like northern Italy in March 2020?

What is your viable alternative? If you've none then just shut up.

If you would know something about Italy and particularly northern Italy you would not make this statement.
What we have seen in march 2020 over there is regular occurence every year when flu hits them.
You also forgot that our health system is overrun for the last 15 years at least. How else you would call overnight vigils at A&E just to be seen and then sent away? Waiting lists to see a consultant for months and in some cases years.
Perhaps shutting up better work for people who have no idea what they talk about.

FintanMcluskey

patnor1011 wrote: »

If you would know something about Italy and particularly northern Italy you would not make this statement.
What we have seen in march 2020 over there is regular occurence every year when flu hits them.

Interestingly that region and Europe had unbelievably catastrophic flu seasons in 2015 and 2018 with excess deaths not seen in decades.

In fact northern Italy had warnings years ago to increase ICU capacity to counteract an ageing population.

However social media only became fatal recently so here we are

Kermit.de.frog

patnor1011 wrote: »

If you would know something about Italy and particularly northern Italy you would not make this statement.
What we have seen in march 2020 over there is regular occurence every year when flu hits them.
You also forgot that our health system is overrun for the last 15 years at least. How else you would call overnight vigils at A&E just to be seen and then sent away? Waiting lists to see a consultant for months and in some cases years.
Perhaps shutting up better work for people who have no idea what they talk about.

Can you now go on and explain the situation across the continent and why governments have locked down their populations?

Start with the UK which is now in an acute crisis and tell us about France and Germany etc after that.

polesheep

SusieBlue wrote: »

My Aunty is one of these people, a woman in her 50’s who has been allegedly cocooning since March due to an underlying condition (we keep telling her that allergy related IBS doesn’t count as an underlying condition, but this falls on deaf ears).
She has been tested 6 times since March even though she claims to be cocooning and her husband is working from home. So either she’s lying about the cocooning or she’s being over dramatic, because we have other relatives on the frontline who haven’t needed to be tested at all, let alone 6 times.

Anyway she rang my mam today to tell her she’s asking to be referred for yet another test & my mam ate the head off her, asking how she could possibly need yet another one.
When she got off the phone she said my aunt must be going around supermarkets licking things she’s so desperate to catch the damn virus.
She lives for the drama of it, reporting her symptoms to Facebook every day and sharing clickbait articles about long covid and seemingly healthy young people dying from it.

I guarantee if she ever does get it, and I hope she doesn’t, that every twinge of the joints and stuffy nose for the next 30 years will be blamed on ‘long covid’. I honestly despair at her.

Tell her if she puts a swab up each nose and says, "Wibble", Covid can't get her.

PTH2009

Mental health will/is taking an enormous punch from Covid and the government are to blame

We can basically write off Feb and March then tear up our summer plans followed by Halloween and once again Christmas because 'we cant afford the vaccines or dont have the capacity to roll them out quicker'

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can you now go on and explain the situation across the continent and why governments have locked down their populations?

Start with the UK which is now in an acute crisis and tell us about France and Germany etc after that.

I can’t allude to the UK but unless my colleagues are lying France and Germany are not under complete blanket restrictions.

In fact Ireland has continued to be Ireland’s most suppressed nation since last March

Something has gone wrong for Europe’s youngest nation

GazzaL

patnor1011 wrote: »

There is not just that kind of people. My own neighbors and couple old ladies my wife does some cleaning for live their life fully. Or at least as much as it is possible while on lockdown. All of them over 80 and have to say full of life. Since they cant meet in pubs or restaurants they meet at their own houses and enjoy drinking tea, gossip, companion.
Not everyone in the old or vulnerable category resigned from living and resort to consuming a daily dose of fear porn from every radio or tv station.
Some of them already had it and one thing they told me will resonate in my mind for a long time. You can't have a healthy body without a healthy mind or that your body is only as healthy as your mind is.

As soon as hospitality reopened, I know loads of elderly people who went straight out to socialise with their friends. It's a really important outlet for them, particularly for widows and widowers. Some of them socialise in whatever outlet is open, even if that means having a good chat in the local shop or supermarket.

I also know loads of elderly people who have been working throughout the pandemic. They enjoy working and meeting people through work.

The disrespect shown to them by the pro-lockdown crowd is disgraceful.

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Mental health will/is taking an enormous punch from Covid and the government are to blame

We can basically write off Feb and March then tear up our summer plans followed by Halloween and once again Christmas because 'we cant afford the vaccines or dont have the capacity to roll them out quicker'

I’m not tearing up any summer plans

patnor1011

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can you now go on and explain the situation across the continent and why governments have locked down their populations?

Start with the UK which is now in an acute crisis and tell us about France and Germany etc after that.

Sure I can. It is the easiest way to do it. They just copy each other giving out to peer pressure hoisted upon them by media for whom covid is a golden goose. Fear always sells and anyone who dares to oppose as we have seen with Sweden for a while is browbeaten in compliance.
Surprisingly there are other countries where there is no lockdown or any meaningful restrictions yet somehow we do not see piles of corpses on the street from this "deadly pandemic".
UK's acute crisis is pure shifting attention away from Brexit nothing else.

patnor1011

PTH2009 wrote: »

Mental health will/is taking an enormous punch from Covid and the government are to blame

We can basically write off Feb and March then tear up our summer plans followed by Halloween and once again Christmas because 'we cant afford the vaccines or dont have the capacity to roll them out quicker'

The vaccine is just another PR stunt it was just a way to explain and sell lockdowns when they started but the narrative shifted recently due to the simple fact that vaccines that are being offered now do not actually offer protection against contracting covid and the only thing one can expect is that they are supposed to provide some relief when you get infected. Which according to the latest studies is not guaranteed and even the opposite is suggested by some experts that vaccine may train your immune system to get to overdrive when a wild virus is encountered. This phenomenon is known and well documented with many other vaccines.

patnor1011

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m not tearing up any summer plans

Neither am I. What make my blood boil is how we change to nazi state with pushing more and more of this nonsense.
My daughter was walking with a friend in the city today and two gardai walking towards them had the cheek to stop them and ordered them to put their mask on. While out on a street in a breeze. This really is insanity on steroids.

Mars Bar

patnor1011 wrote: »

Neither am I. What make my blood boil is how we change to nazi state with pushing more and more of this nonsense.
My daughter was walking with a friend in the city today and two gardai walking towards them had the cheek to stop them and ordered them to put their mask on. While out on a street in a breeze. This really is insanity on steroids.

I don't understand this "but it's outdoors", it's safer.
Your projection from sneezing and coughing goes quite far and add a breeze to that and it will surely go further. My experience from my few weeks at home is that people are not interested in social distancing. There's no desire to move out of the way when passing each other. The mentality just shocked me.

Wearing a mask is not a goddamn hard thing to do for a short period. Especially if you are going to be walking side by side with a friend.

Kermit.de.frog

patnor1011 wrote: »

Neither am I. What make my blood boil is how we change to nazi state with pushing more and more of this nonsense.

20 deaths yesterday. Are you going to tell the families it's nonsense?

Go, tell one of them it's all nonsense, all a big conspiracy.

I think I could count on one hand the number of seconds you would get.

46 Long

Mars Bar wrote: »

I don't understand this "but it's outdoors", it's safer.
Your projection from sneezing and coughing goes quite far and add a breeze to that and it will surely go further. My experience from my few weeks at home is that people are not interested in social distancing. There's no desire to move out of the way when passing each other. The mentality just shocked me.

Wearing a mask is not a goddamn hard thing to do for a short period. Especially if you are going to be walking side by side with a friend.

I wear glasses. I wear a mask indoors but I'm not wearing one outside come hell or high water. They can stick me in Mountjoy for all I care. Still better that breaking my neck or getting hit crossing the road because I literally cannot see where I'm going.

Gael23

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

20 deaths yesterday. Are you going to tell the families it's nonsense?

Go, tell one of them it's all nonsense, all a big conspiracy.

I think I could count on one hand the number of seconds you would get.

Pubs ha e now not traded in nearly a year. As a society we cannot sustain these measures

Wanderer78

Gael23 wrote:

Pubs ha e now not traded in nearly a year. As a society we cannot sustain these measures

Why not?

average_runner

Gael23 wrote: »

Pubs ha e now not traded in nearly a year. As a society we cannot sustain these measures

Why just the focus on pubs. Alot more important things out there than pubs

theballz

46 Long wrote: »

I wear glasses. I wear a mask indoors but I'm not wearing one outside come hell or high water. They can stick me in Mountjoy for all I care. Still better that breaking my neck or getting hit crossing the road because I literally cannot see where I'm going.

Are you wearing a mask or a balaclava?

Can’t see how mask would prohibit sight.

patnor1011

Mars Bar wrote: »

I don't understand this "but it's outdoors", it's safer.
Your projection from sneezing and coughing goes quite far and add a breeze to that and it will surely go further. My experience from my few weeks at home is that people are not interested in social distancing. There's no desire to move out of the way when passing each other. The mentality just shocked me.

Wearing a mask is not a goddamn hard thing to do for a short period. Especially if you are going to be walking side by side with a friend.

For 18 years old healthy girl covid is the least of what she should worry about. And since no one else is worried about her not being able to study properly in a safe environment where safe means a warm room and not a classroom with opened windows, since no one is worried about her lack of opportunities to socialize, meet new people gain new experiences why should she worry about your insecurity walking outside afraid of sneezing people. Since you talk about a projection of virus which is pretty much zero in healthy young people and absolute lack of any proof of secondary infection from asymptomatic carriers social distancing is also overrated as magical 2 meters means nothing really.
If you are afraid of the wolfs do not go into the woods.