Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

patnor1011

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok, I’ll bite, the vaccine is not a pr stunt. Millions have already received it and are developing immunity.

No vaccine is PR stunt. Vaccine talk was used as PR stunt to sell us lockdown and restrictions. Millions of people already had covid and developed immunity without need for a vaccine since disease itself isnt as bad as you want others to believe. Data are there for everyone to see.

Deleted User wrote: »

The narrative has not shifted on the vaccine preventing spread. It was known from the start that the primary endpoints of the studies was in relation the preventing disease.

And here you are mistaken. We all were told multiple times back when all this started that al this pain we have to endure is till vaccines come and we all will go back to normal. That was repeated so often some people started to believe it and even now there are posters here daily asking about when we are going to get it so we can have our lives back. Answer is clear. Not any time soon and even after whoever wants to take it get it life will not go back to where it was before. Recent talk is about requirement of vaccination every 6 months or minimum once a year. That are latest news from UK. So yes, narrative shifted and is shifting still.

Deleted User wrote: »

To achieve the level of confidence required to establish prevention of spread would have either required daily testing of those in the study or many more months of study.

Sure, so why the rush and talk of how we all need to get it and fast when even these basic studies were not completed and will not be completed for many months and years to come.

Deleted User wrote: »

This evidence will come in time, but the manufacturers will not be able to make such a claim until evidence is established. This was known all along and the narrative has not change.

Since no long term study was completed we have no idea if the evidence "which will come" will be good or bad. Mainly in regard of possible long term effects considering this vaccine use completely new technology never tried on such scale before. I myself am hesitant while I would have no problem to take chinese or russian vaccines which were developed using traditional proven methods and they seems to work just fine. There were many mistakes in history of medicine or vaccine development that it will take very long time till we know the truth.

Deleted User wrote: »

The last point on “vaccine driving immune system into overdrive” is well known as you claim, so perhaps not an outright lie, but definitely a deliberate misrepresentation as it is extremely rare, and occurs less frequently than with the pathogens they are designed to protect against.

It is a rare phenomenon but it is there. One could say it is as rare as death by covid for any healthy person under certain age.

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, and your 18 year old is not asked to wear a mask to protect her, but to protect those she comes in contact with

Answered this already before. Who is she protecting when she is healthy? Answer is nobody as even nonsymptomatic carriers do not pass virus to another person as was recently proven by study conducted on 10 million of people done right in the middle of where it all started.
So yes, if you have it and decide to go outside put the mask on. If you are healthy it make no sense to use it whatsoever since sick people are advised to quarantine anyway.

patnor1011

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Please direct this sort of discussion to the appropriate forum - ie - The Conspiracy Theory Forum

Forum Link

With all due respect I would if it was not truth.
We were told by Leo in his moving speech that we have to endure this restriction and lockdown till vaccine come. Supposed to be short one and once in a lifetime affair. We all know how that went.
Vaccine talk was used by govt to soften us up and make us wait.

All the rest is backed by many studies and as you and we all are aware facts are changing daily. That is not conspiracy but science.

Boggles

patnor1011 wrote: »

No vaccine is PR stunt. Vaccine talk was used as PR stunt to sell us lockdown and restrictions.

Honestly where do people find this absolute dribbling scutter?

There is no way of tackling that with any sort of reasonable debate.

Impossible.

patnor1011

CruelSummer wrote: »

It’s strange but when I read your posts they’re just like the Trump supporter posts on the Trump v Biden thread...’radical left are evil’ / ‘this is some master plan about 5G and Covid’ / ‘The vaccine that we need will not save lives, it will make people sicker which I’m posting with zero evidence as I don’t have any’
And then you criticise others for asking for evidence. If you’re making such claims, back them up.

To mix Trump supporters and 5G in this is a bit of a stretch. Not everyone who does not share your world view sign up to something you use as insult.
As for the far left I have no idea who you are but I never made it a secret and mentioned it several times that I happen to grow up in one of the socialist paradise countries. I have first hand experience on how far left operate and how life look like under socialist or communist regime.
Only people who never experienced it themselves dream about how fantastic it must be.
I do not criticised anyone. Evidence is out there and if you are interested in topic you find it yourself. You may not like it as it may go against of what you believe but science is like that. It is fluid and it changes when more facts are discovered.
All I said are proven facts that vaccine is not makeing you immune to covid infection and while it is designed to lessen impact in some cases it may cause the opposite.
If you want to disprove this be my guest and try. I am always open to learn new things.

Lundstram

Had to laugh at Ryan Tubridy and Paul Reid last night having a cosy little chat and telling people to stay at home and help the HSE.

One on €480k and the other on €350k per year, both funded by the tax-payer. No such financial troubles for those lads.

These people are so out of touch with reality, it’s frightening.

patnor1011

Deleted User wrote: »

Every 18 year old may not be healthy, some have the virus. They will generally have mild or no symptoms and may not even get tested so will never know. The people they encounter may have a different experience however. So it’s not much to ask people to wear a mask in the grand scheme of things.

A for the socialist and communist nonsense. I truly am embarrassed for you.

As of yet asymptomatic carriers were not proven to be able to infect another person. So if you do not feel sick and have no symptoms even if you have covid you are not evil killer going around killing people.

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

No vaccine is PR stunt. Vaccine talk was used as PR stunt to sell us lockdown and restrictions. Millions of people already had covid and developed immunity without need for a vaccine since disease itself isnt as bad as you want others to believe. Data are there for everyone to see.


And here you are mistaken. We all were told multiple times back when all this started that al this pain we have to endure is till vaccines come and we all will go back to normal. That was repeated so often some people started to believe it and even now there are posters here daily asking about when we are going to get it so we can have our lives back. Answer is clear. Not any time soon and even after whoever wants to take it get it life will not go back to where it was before. Recent talk is about requirement of vaccination every 6 months or minimum once a year. That are latest news from UK. So yes, narrative shifted and is shifting still.


Sure, so why the rush and talk of how we all need to get it and fast when even these basic studies were not completed and will not be completed for many months and years to come.


Since no long term study was not completed we have no idea if the evidence "which will come" will be good or bad. There were many mistakes in history of medicine or vaccine development that it will take very long time till we know the truth.



It is a rare phenomenon but it is there. One could say it is as rare as death by covid for any healthy person under certain age.


Answered this already before. Who is she protecting when she is healthy? Answer is nobody as even nonsymptomatic carriers do not pass virus to another person as was recently proven by study conducted on 10 million of people done right in the middle of where it all started.
So yes, if you have it and decide to go outside put the mask on. If you are healthy it make no sense to use it whatsoever since sick people are advised to quarantine anyway.

There is evidence of asymptonatic spread, and not everyone who has the virus knows it. The wuhan study was not what you think it was. It was actually conclusive evidence that the false positive rate is extremely small, as even though there were a few hundred asymptomatic positives among the 10million tests, there were zero symptomatic, therefore no virus in circulation. False positive rate < 0.1% of tests

patnor1011

Boggles wrote: »

Honestly where do people find this absolute dribbling scutter?

There is no way of tackling that with any sort of reasonable debate.

Impossible.

I agree.
Debate is where people talk and are willing to accept that some of what they say or believe may not be true. Since you are unable to do so it really is impossible.

Graham

patnor1011 wrote: »

As of yet asymptomatic carriers were not proven to be able to infect another person. So if you do not feel sick and have no symptoms even if you have covid you are not evil killer going around killing people.

So you don't know if asymptomatic carriers are infectious but you definitely know they're not infecting people?

Uh huh

Boggles

patnor1011 wrote: »

I agree.
Debate is where people talk and are willing to accept that some of what they say or believe may not be true.

Oh good, so....

Are you willing to accept that vaccines are not designed to make people sicker or a tool orchestrated by worlds governance to enforce more lock-downs?

patnor1011

Graham wrote: »

So you don't know if asymptomatic carriers are infectious but you definitely know they're not infecting people?

Uh huh

Not me. WHO says so. According to them it is "rare" which pretty much translate they might but there is no evidence of it yet.
There is also difference between asymptomatic carriers and presymptomatic carriers. We all see facts changing daily yet some people are so deep entrenched in their own view that they outright dismiss anything which does not fit their view most often branding other side as trump supporter, 5G fanatic or conspiracy theorist.
Science is simply changing and we should be open to new findings and not parrot what we heard few months ago.
If we would stay stagnant we would dismiss mask wearing completely as it too was once WHO policy.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/

Klonker

If the vaccines decreases a person's symptoms then they are less likely to pass on to others. Like if a person is coughing and spewing all over the place they're more like to pass it on than if they're not. That's common sense I would've thought.

patnor1011

Boggles wrote: »

Oh good, so....

Are you willing to accept that vaccines are not designed to make people sicker or a tool orchestrated by worlds governance to enforce more lock-downs?

And where did I say anything like that?
I simply said that we were told that lockdowns are important and we have to endure them till vaccine come. And now we hear that even with the vaccine we will be implementing them every time someone decide we need another one. Vaccine suddenly changed from saviour to a just one of the measures to save us all. For the love of god there are professors getting airtime talking about zero covid which is pure fantasy cuckoo land thinking.

patnor1011

Oh well, since I just finished 5th night shift and have to do two more since I am essential frontline worker and cant WFH I need to take some sleep so I can go to work in the evening to save more lives. No lockdown for me since some people have to work even while they are vulnerable so rest of the nation can feel safe.
Peace.

Ten of Swords

If you want to discuss vaccines in detail please do so in the vaccine thread, let's not drag this thread off topic

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058142265

normanoffside

Lundstram wrote: »

Had to laugh at Ryan Tubridy and Paul Reid last night having a cosy little chat and telling people to stay at home and help the HSE.

One on €480k and the other on €350k per year, both funded by the tax-payer. No such financial troubles for those lads.

These people are so out of touch with reality, it’s frightening.

No masks, no social distancing, no work from home either.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Did you just give out about people not taking you seriously and then you post that?

You are not exactly helping yourself are you?

I don’t recall given out about people taking me seriously.

The government/NPHET have a fear meter...
They have acknowledged measuring the fear levels and admitted concern when it wasn’t high enough.

Do you need any more evidence that they want people to be afraid?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

There were great debates with the likes of growleaves here in the spring. Now it’s descended into groupthink with established thread “facts” which bare no resemblance to reality. There are valid points on the impact of restrictions and a valid debate on the point where the benefits of continued restrictions are not worth the consequences. However what the majority, not all, of those arguing this case have descended to is casedemic, from not with, dodgy pcr, fringe libertarian talking points. These theories have been comprehensively debunked.

Will you stop.

There was never debates

Pot shots by posters like yourself asking for the thread to be closed or take time out since early on

storker

Klonker wrote: »

If the vaccines decreases a person's symptoms then they are less likely to pass on to others. Like if a person is coughing and spewing all over the place they're more like to pass it on than if they're not. That's common sense I would've thought.

You must be new around here...

andrew1977

Local barber in my town advertising “ haircut appointments “ on one of his personal social media accounts .
Disgusting and disgraceful carry on by him , given the current number of cases .
I hope everyone boycotts the place when he does reopen.

HBC08

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Any chance you could knock it off with the “This thread” rubbish followed by some kind of insult or implication that you are always right?

Cheers

I dont think so.
Nutters need to be called out on their bullsh1t.

FintanMcluskey

andrew1977 wrote: »

Local barber in my town advertising “ haircut appointments “ on one of his personal social media accounts .
Disgusting and disgraceful carry on by him , given the current number of cases .
I hope everyone boycotts the place when he does reopen.

Are you one of those anti maskers?

Lots of data to suggest mask wearing and hand washing will give adequate protection

Wesekn.

andrew1977 wrote: »

Local barber in my town advertising “ haircut appointments “ on one of his personal social media accounts .
Disgusting and disgraceful carry on by him , given the current number of cases .
I hope everyone boycotts the place when he does reopen.

Name and shame

andrew1977

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you one of those anti maskers?

Lots of data to suggest mask wearing and hand washing will give adequate protection

No , but rules are for everyone business wise , he’s flaunting it .
Protection by masks or not , we could debate all day , legally he should not be cutting hair from his premises .

FintanMcluskey

Lundstram wrote: »

Had to laugh at Ryan Tubridy and Paul Reid last night having a cosy little chat and telling people to stay at home and help the HSE.

One on €480k and the other on €350k per year, both funded by the tax-payer. No such financial troubles for those lads.

These people are so out of touch with reality, it’s frightening.

This crisis has highlighted how the HSE and NPHET are the greatest spoofers ever seen in this country.

NPHET have a team of 40 assembled since last March

That’s about 35 man years

What the **** are they doing to justify their wages

FintanMcluskey

andrew1977 wrote: »

No , but rules are for everyone business wise , he’s flaunting it .
Protection by masks or not , we could debate all day , legally he should not be cutting hair from his premises .

Is it definitely illegal?

Last time it was only implied to be illegal when public health advice was not followed

andrew1977

andrew1977 wrote: »

Local barber in my town advertising “ haircut appointments “ on one of his personal social media accounts .
Disgusting and disgraceful carry on by him , given the current number of cases .
I hope everyone boycotts the place when he does reopen.

Maybe he can’t afford to feed his family?

Lots of people I know are doing nixers to survive. Painting, windows, fixing PCs, DIY, Haircuts.

The government are forcing people out of work, paying them a small amount of money and then taxing them on said money.

It’s survival first

Hooter23

It said on the news most health care workers will wait longer until more people get the vaccine first before decided if they will get it...always putting others before themselves sure aren't they great our heroes...as for the poor old people in nursing homes I dont think anyone even asked them if they wanted it

polesheep

Hooter23 wrote: »

It said on the news most health care workers will wait longer until more people get the vaccine first before decided if they will get it...always putting others before themselves sure aren't they great our heroes...as for the poor old people in nursing homes I dont think anyone even asked them if they wanted it

The take up of the vaccine among HCWs is about 100%. Can you link the 'news' you heard?

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t recall given out about people taking me seriously.

The government/NPHET have a fear meter...
They have acknowledged measuring the fear levels and admitted concern when it wasn’t high enough.

Do you need any more evidence that they want people to be afraid?

You claimed the government are manufacturing the numbers.

So yes I will need to see evidence for that.

In your own good time.