Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1348042100777082881?s=19

Oh. Okay.

Now I know where the majority of the "information" now comes from on here.

What is he, a cook?

Grifty MacGrift Face.

All joking aside I hope no one on here has given him money.

If you live in Dublin, I would say you have been in lockdown pretty much constantly with the exceptions of July/August and 3 weeks in December.

Even at that, wet pubs have never been open in Dublin at least. Maybe for 2 weeks or so outside Dublin.

There has still been plenty of restrictions in those months. Ironically, I actually think our over conservative approach has caused a fatigue not seen anywhere else in the world.

They said themselves back in April that people could only take small amounts of lockdown at once. Shame they didn’t follow their own advice. Outcomes would be much better had we opened for the 5 months that it was safe

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

If you live in Dublin, I would say you have been in lockdown pretty much constantly with the exceptions of July/August and 3 weeks in December.

Even at that, wet pubs have never been open in Dublin at least. Maybe for 2 weeks or so outside Dublin.

There has still been plenty of restrictions in those months. Ironically, I actually think our over conservative approach has caused a fatigue not seen anywhere else in the world.

They said themselves back in April that people could only take small amounts of lockdown at once. Shame they didn’t follow their own advice. Outcomes would be much better had we opened for the 5 months that it was safe

Pubs were open the UK, including London.

Explain please?

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

More likely unnecessarily admitting patients to ICU that other EU countries wouldn’t deem necessary.

Hardly. But then again this is a whole PR stunt by the world to control everyone.

All the enemies of the world are working together and the earth is flat

average_runner

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you live in Dublin, I would say you have been in lockdown pretty much constantly with the exceptions of July/August and 3 weeks in December.

Even at that, wet pubs have never been open in Dublin at least. Maybe for 2 weeks or so outside Dublin.

There has still been plenty of restrictions in those months. Ironically, I actually think our over conservative approach has caused a fatigue not seen anywhere else in the world.

They said themselves back in April that people could only take small amounts of lockdown at once. Shame they didn’t follow their own advice. Outcomes would be much better had we opened for the 5 months that it was safe

Most pubs were open in August in dublin

copeyhagen

average_runner wrote: »

Most pubs were open in August in dublin

no they werent.

Irish Steve

normanoffside wrote: »

Thanks Boggles, first bit of a break for me since last March so it'll be nice to switch off.

I'll let you all know how it's going over there. I'll follow all the relevant protocols before and after travel but no doubt will still be labelled a granny killer.

So what happened to the advice about avoiding non essential travel? I just hope we don't end up with the Government having to decide that ALL overseas travel has to be specifically approved, which could happen if people don't start to exercise a bit more in the way of personal judgement.

The advice, which perhaps should have been made more legal, is STAY AT HOME. I don't see much wriggle room there.

average_runner

copeyhagen wrote: »

no they werent.

Yes they were. Loads were open getting takeaway pizza or cheese plates etc.

copeyhagen

average_runner wrote: »

Yes they were. Loads were open getting takeaway pizza or cheese plates etc.

literally every wet pub in swords was closed, to begin with..

average_runner

copeyhagen wrote: »

literally every wet pub in swords was closed, to begin with..

Everyone in Dundrum was open and Clonskeagh.

Alot open all over dublin, look it up on Twitter .

My old local was opened, never sold food before.
Didn't have to order food in August either and the gardai visited it often in August. No issues

copeyhagen

average_runner wrote: »

Everyone in Dundrum was open and Clonskeagh.

Alot open all over dublin, look it up on Twitter .

My old local was opened, never sold food before.
Didn't have to order food in August either and the gardai visited it often in August. No issues

every wet pub on the Northside was pretty much closed.

average_runner

copeyhagen wrote: »

every wet pub on the Northside was pretty much closed.

I know of a few that weren't, was in two.

zerosugarbuzz

Graham wrote: »

Yeah, I suspected it would be something like that.

I find it hard to believe staff training for hair cutting is on the essential services list.

Of course if anyone has an official source, I'm open to correction.

Practically everyone I know has made special arrangements whither their hairdresser. Some have also made it for nails and other services. No point in having them closed in the first place.

Irish Steve

Irish Steve wrote: »

So what happened to the advice about avoiding non essential travel? I just hope we don't end up with the Government having to decide that ALL overseas travel has to be specifically approved, which could happen if people don't start to exercise a bit more in the way of personal judgement.

The advice, which perhaps should have been made more legal, is STAY AT HOME. I don't see much wriggle room there.

It’s advice.

Everyone who plans to travel (including me), both on this thread and the travel thread, is going to places with lower case rates, with full awareness of the issues and clear intent to adhere to appropriate risk mitigation measures, including tests, masks and self isolation upon return

Your ire should be turned on the family and friend gatherings that I still see going on everywhere

Graham

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Practically everyone I know has made special arrangements whither their hairdresser. Some have also made it for nails and other services. No point in having them closed in the first place.

Practically everyone I know hasn't.

Regardless of what either of our acquaintance groups are doing, I see nothing that suggests training someone to cut hair is an essential/permitted activity

Do you?

zerosugarbuzz

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Practically everyone I know has made special arrangements whither their hairdresser. Some have also made it for nails and other services. No point in having them closed in the first place.

I know that home sports massages (the proper kind, not the escort kind) are still going on if you book directly

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

I know that home sports massages (the proper kind, not the escort kind) are still going on if you book directly

I'm sure there's all sorts still going on that shouldn't be under the current restrictions.

I do wonder if those same people then go home and whine about restrictions while COVID continues to spread further.

average_runner

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know that home sports massages (the proper kind, not the escort kind) are still going on if you book directly

Physios are open though.

zerosugarbuzz

Graham wrote: »

I'm sure there's all sorts still going on that shouldn't be under the current restrictions.

I do wonder if those same people then go home and whine about restrictions while COVID continues to spread further.

No different than coming on here to moan about restrictions or those not following them I guess.

Graham

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

No different than coming on here to moan about restrictions or those not following them I guess.

Quite different.

Just as an example, many other posters and I actually understand the virus isn't moving around of its own accord while also comprehending why overrunning our health services would be bad.

zerosugarbuzz

Graham wrote: »

Quite different.

Just as an example, many other posters and I actually understand the virus isn't moving around of its own accord while also comprehending why overrunning our health services would be bad.

I think everyone understands that but they also see very low death rates and a lack of transparency in the figures being given out. After almost a year of this the buy-in simply Isn’t there. Twice this week I have heard of people in their 80’s simply giving up on life and being sent into care homes to basically die. Not from COVID but from depression from the isolation. The lockdowns are killing people too.

zerosugarbuzz

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I think everyone understands that but they also see very low death rates and a lack of transparency in the figures being given out. After almost a year of this the buy-in simply Isn’t there. Twice this week I have heard of people in their 80’s simply giving up on life and being sent into care homes to basically die. Not from COVID but from depression from the isolation. The lockdowns are killing people too.

Agree with this. I’ve an elderly bachelor farmer uncle in the midlands and he and his local friends are done with it. They are meeting up regularly now...,.the isolation in the dark cold nights in sometimes pretty shambolic dirty accommodation is killing them. And I mean literally. Had there been a more pragmatic approach toward this through the 2nd half of last year, they might be able to stick with it for longer, but for a large part of our population, the lockdown has run its course

doublejobbing 2

one armed dwarf wrote: »

10% of admissions end up in ICU
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1348263889864171520

So all up, around 2% of people hospitalised with Covid will die?

And many will have been so terminally ill that they are never sent to hospital?

Graham

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I think everyone understands that but they also see very low death rates

You think that would remain to be the case if our health service is overwhelmed?

facehugger99

Irish Steve wrote: »

So what happened to the advice about avoiding non essential travel? I just hope we don't end up with the Government having to decide that ALL overseas travel has to be specifically approved, which could happen if people don't start to exercise a bit more in the way of personal judgement.

The advice, which perhaps should have been made more legal, is STAY AT HOME. I don't see much wriggle room there.

Some of us decided to ignore it.

Best decision I ever made to get myself and the family away from the hysteria for a few weeks back in the summer. Might book a week in the Canaries in February.

Eye-opening to see how much calmer mainland Europe were about it - actually living with Covid as opposed to the bunch of cowards we have in Government.

I personally don't think there would have been anything like the blow-out over Christmas if we hadn't been lectured to all summer when cases were in single figures.

Graham

facehugger99 wrote: »

Some of us decided to ignore it.

Best decision I ever made to get myself and the family away from the hysteria for a few weeks back in the summer. Might book a week in the Canaries in February.

Eye-opening to see how much calmer mainland Europe were about it - actually living with Covid as opposed to the bunch of cowards we have in Government.

I personally don't think there would have been anything like the blow-out over Christmas if we hadn't been lectured to all summer when cases were in single figures.

Are you suggesting our population can or shouldn't be trusted to do the right thing?

Boggles

'Everyone I know is getting their nails done on the sly.'

:pac:

Lundstram

Still no vaccine numbers available yet. Zero. Not a clue how many have got it. Supposed to be weekly update but nothing. I suspect they're witholding this number because its shamefully low.

Case numbers in your face every day, though.

What a fcuking shambles.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Still no vaccine numbers available yet. Zero. Not a clue how many have got it. Supposed to be weekly update but nothing. I suspect they're witholding this number because its shamefully low.

Case numbers in your face every day, though.

What a fcuking shambles.

In the real world vaccinations are proceeding at pace now. I know multiple people who already have gotten it. And the weekly update is not a Sunday

Lundstram

Deleted User wrote: »

In the real world vaccinations are proceeding at pace now. I know multiple people who already have gotten it. And the weekly update is not a Sunday

You know absolutely nothing of the number. I couldn't care less that you "know multiple people who got it". Is that 2 people or 35k people? :rolleyes:

Upon more research I see Donnelly initially said they'll be available on the HSE Hub App every Sunday but this has now changed to a press conference on Monday. A few more Covid19 celebs in the making.