Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Well for starters, the country should have been fully open between May and September. That would have had a massive positive impact on all items.

and there we have it.

So in the face of record numbers of cases after just a few weeks with reduced restrictions, vast numbers of the population with COVID, hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Your solution is let the virus run rampant.

Not really much of a solution to solve a problem you don't even know exists.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

and there we have it.

So in the face of record numbers of cases after just a few weeks with reduced restrictions, vast numbers of the population with COVID, hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Your solution is let the virus run rampant.

Not really much of a solution to solve a problem you don't even know exists.

Did you read that properly???

I specifically mentioned May - September....

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

and there we have it.

So in the face of record numbers of cases after just a few weeks with reduced restrictions, vast numbers of the population with COVID, hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Your solution is let the virus run rampant.

Not really much of a solution to solve a problem you don't even know exists.

Did you read another comment or where have you imagined someone said this?

Graham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Did you read another comment or where have you imagined someone said this?

Sorry Fintan, was there an actual suggestion somewhere that I missed between the general complaining about restrictions?

In the absence of an actual suggestion, it is difficult not to conclude that those who complain incessantly about restrictions aren't advocating for their removal.

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

and your solution is.....

Accept its a problem and not to downplay it, accept that people need some bit of social interaction if they are alone and not make them feel like irresponsible selfish people for wanting it.

Captain_Crash

Graham wrote: »

In the absence of an actual suggestion, it is difficult not to conclude that those who complain incessantly about restrictions aren't advocating for their removal.

One doesn't have to have a solution to be aware there is a problem.

If someone believes the approach being taken currently doing more harm than good, the fact they dont have a solution doesn't mean the initial concern is misplaced. Its MM's job to find/discuss and implement solutions, not ours.

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

So what is the point you are trying to make?

We should reduce restrictions and let COVID run rampant because you have a feeling suicides might increase, or something else?

A bit of balance in thinking is needed, why is it always the same generic reply with you want covid to run rampant. Is that the only two options, total lockdown or let it run rampant.

Graham

niallo27 wrote: »

Accept its a problem and not to downplay it, accept that people need some bit of social interaction if they are alone and not make them feel like irresponsible selfish people for wanting it.

Based on the illogical assumption that someone somewhere doesn't accept that people generally like/need social interaction let's say it is suddenly now accepted.

What's that going to change because your solution doesn't appear to involve an actual solution.

We should apparently have consideration, balance and thinking and that will fix everything.

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

Sorry Fintan, was there an actual suggestion somewhere that I missed between the general complaining about restrictions?

In the absence of an actual suggestion, it is difficult not to conclude that those who complain incessantly about restrictions aren't advocating for their removal.

Is that your answer to everything, you want it to run rampant, sure why not mention all you want is a pint while your at it. Its a lazy lazy reply.

Elmer Blooker

Graham wrote: »

and there we have it.

So in the face of record numbers of cases after just a few weeks with reduced restrictions, vast numbers of the population with COVID, hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Your solution is let the virus run rampant.

Not really much of a solution to solve a problem you don't even know exists.

This happens every winter, this one is no different.

MOH

walus wrote: »

The 6 weeks of level 5 reduced the reported cases by 2-3 fold only. That alone was a surprise to many.

Just to be pedantic, at least half that decrease was due to the previously existing restrictions, and occurred before level 5 had time to take effect

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Who is 'we'? Do you really include yourself in 'we' or is 'we' other people that you share this country with and it's their responsibility?

"We" as in Ireland: those responsible for running the country, and those advisng them. I would have though that was fairly obvious, but glad that was the only thing you found to nitpick.

Boggles wrote: »

Again, NPHET advise the government based on the remit given to them by government.

This advice is published as is the governments decisions on policy.

Your unceasing determination to defend NPHET is quite commendable.
For a start, they don't just advise the government, they've a daily pulpit from which they make proclamations to the nation which has been used in the past to try to deliberately force the government down a particular path.

Interesting quite from the WHO:
“Those countries that have managed to bring transmission down: keep it down. Do everything you can to keep it down . . . If any cases are identified any clusters are identified, really quick, rapid, aggressive investigation of those cases, so that those small numbers of cases do not become community transmission. We have been shown over and over again that countries can do this.”

Here NPHET's de Gascun saying in July that we had such a system in place and should be able to avoid future nationwide lockdowns.


Of course, that was a lie, since it was always going to be a bit difficult to fully trace a cluster if you were only contact tracing back a few days. And Philip Nolan reckoned it was academic anyway. It was four months later before they announced they were going to start contact tracing further back from early December.

I'm assuming that never happened anyway after numbers started rising. (If it did the close contact number are skewed by the fact we're suddenly tracing much further).

But yeah, NPHET are great and can do no wrong. :rolleyes:

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

Based on the illogical assumption that someone somewhere doesn't accept that people generally like/need social interaction let's say it is suddenly now accepted.

What's that going to change because your solution doesn't appear to involve an actual solution.

We should apparently have consideration, balance and thinking and that will fix everything.

Your solution is to stop covid at all costs with no regard for anything else. Posters think there should be a bit more balance in thinking. For instance do you think the government were wrong for letting non essential retail open in December.

Don't Chute!

billyhead wrote: »

In my estate there are still a lot of visitors to houses. Do people ever get the message?

Why don’t you go out and confront these people if you are so shocked and appalled by it?

Micky 32

rusty cole wrote: »

explain exactly what I need to read? what have conspiracy theories got to do with my post?

instead of trying for virtual high fives from like minded incels and attacking the post, chop it up and tell me what you disagree with?

When you read moronic statements like “ effective according to who” shyte you know you’re starting to go down the conspiracy hole. You trying to say they are fooling the EMA? Maybe they gave a back hander to the EU to get it approved? All the data is there. These are highly effective vaccines and WILL get us out of this so do your fellow citizens a favour and take the jab.

Hmm let me see, we have a very successful vaccine by successful companies that have been approved by the EU or do i listen to some back seat boards expert random waffling internet person. I have done a lot of my own research on this so I think i know where i’ll be putting my money.

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

and there we have it.

So in the face of record numbers of cases after just a few weeks with reduced restrictions, vast numbers of the population with COVID, hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Your solution is let the virus run rampant.

Not really much of a solution to solve a problem you don't even know exists.

If this is true, we will have herd immunity pretty soon.

Micky 32

niallo27 wrote: »

If this is true, we will have herd immunity pretty soon.

With daily numbers at circa 6500 cases a day half the population would be infected within a year :eek:

Boggles

MOH wrote: »

Your unceasing determination to defend NPHET is quite commendable.

Pointing out the reality of the situation is not akin to defending anyone.

The government form policies based on remits given to NPHET who then advise on those remits.

You clouding reality with your emotions doesn't change that.

Beasty

rusty cole wrote: »

instead of trying for virtual high fives from like minded incels

Threadbanned

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you read that properly???

I specifically mentioned May - September....

It wasn't just May - September was it?

You were calling for an end to restrictions 2 days before Christmas.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115692375&postcount=5361

Deleted User wrote: »

We don’t need lockdown. Yesterday included a large backlog of cases. Positive swabs yesterday was 698 off 13000+ tests.

The cases are already levelling off before any lockdown.

And festive season is ending in a few days anyways. Then dry January begins.

We’ll be grand. Only 28 or something in ICU. What’s the panic?

bb1234567

niallo27 wrote: »

Is that your answer to everything, you want it to run rampant, sure why not mention all you want is a pint while your at it. Its a lazy lazy reply.

Well it did run rampant the moment balance was attempted. Do you think the short term benefits to mental health during 3 weeks of December was worth more to people than the current national panic about hospital capacity? Was a balanced approach to living with covid during that period worth the risk now being paid for ? I'm not saying we shouldn't have triedat all ,but your claim that nothing else is of concern or being considered apart from covid is not entirely truthful . That was what December was about and I think most people would agree it wasn't to our net benefit overall or a good tradeoff

Cerveza

Mike Ryan blaming socialising for this mess. I would say myself it wasn’t the restaurant bars but wans horsing back Lidl wine in each other’s homes.

bb1234567

Boggles wrote: »

It wasn't just May - September was it?

You were calling for an end to restrictions 2 days before Christmas.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115692375&postcount=5361

Cue back-pedalling .. so jack claims what he desires is consideration for other problems he listed but clearly his main concern is that everyone disregards the existence of covid

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Did you read another comment or where have you imagined someone said this?

What other conclusion would you draw from, "the country should have been fully open between May and September"?

niallo27

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well it did run rampant the moment balance was attempted. Do you think the short term benefits to mental health during 3 weeks of December was worth more to people than the current national panic about hospital capacity? Was a balanced approach to living with covid during that period worth the risk now being paid for ? I'm not saying we shouldn't have triedat all ,but your claim that nothing else is of concern or being considered apart from covid is not entirely truthful . That was what December was about and I think most people would agree it wasn't to our net benefit overall or a good tradeoff

This balance did not cause it to run rampant the last two times we tried it though, we opened a lot more end of summer and only had a fraction of the cases over a longer timeframe, what has happened in the last few weeks makes no sense to me, nobody saw it coming, not even Tony and NPHET saw it coming this bad.

walus

bb1234567 wrote: »

And yet that was the purpose of the lockdowns and the desired effect. Can't speak for others but I have mentioned probably dozens of times now about the fact Ireland is one of few European countries to see no excess deaths in 2020

So is Sweden.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

What other conclusion would you draw from, "the country should have been fully open between May and September"?

Open up business while keeping the most basic of mitigation measures in place is not let it rip.

FintanMcluskey

niallo27 wrote: »

This balance did not cause it to run rampant the last two times we tried it though, we opened a lot more end of summer and only had a fraction of the cases over a longer timeframe, what has happened in the last few weeks makes no sense to me, nobody saw it coming, not even Tony and NPHET saw it coming this bad.

I certainly didn’t see it coming, it some achievement for this tiny nation to win the Covid World Cup.

pjohnson

niallo27 wrote: »

Two really disgusting posts, posters like them playing down the affects on mental health for months now. People are scared and alone out there, its a real problem.

Ah so this is where you are now!


Yeah not a bad effort to misrepresent what I sad. Few months ago this was covered however. But like Hodkinson being cited the anti-restrictors are recycling again.

FintanMcluskey

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah so this is where you are now!

Coming from someone who’s only contribution all along is abrasive one liners

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Open up business while keeping the most basic of mitigation measures in place is not let it rip.

I must've missed the bit about keeping the most basic mitigation measures in place. Out of curiosity, what are 'the most basic mitigation measures'?