Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Coming from someone who’s only contribution all along is abrasive one liners

Pot, meet kettle.

Penfailed

The UK have just released figures to show their excess deaths last year are the worst since WW2. 91,000 more people died last year than the average of the previous five years

CalamariFritti

Cerveza wrote: »

Mike Ryan blaming socialising for this mess. I would say myself it wasn’t the restaurant bars but wans horsing back Lidl wine in each other’s homes.

I think its more got to do that with the counter claim that the 'new variant' is X amount more infectious and this is what did it. Scientists know that this claim which is now repeated as fact by many news outlets will not hold up to any scrutiny. So it had to be socialising. Which it most likely was, lets be honest.

Sofa King Great

Cerveza wrote: »

Mike Ryan blaming socialising for this mess. I would say myself it wasn’t the restaurant bars but wans horsing back Lidl wine in each other’s homes.

Can it not be both?

Boggles

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think its more got to do that with the counter claim that the 'new variant' is X amount more infectious and this is what did it. They know that this claim which is now repeated as fact by many news outlets will not hold up to any scrutiny. So it had to be socialising - which it most likely was, lets be honest.

Would the fact the new strain is rapidly becoming the dominant strain not be proof that it is more transmissible?

That's a genuine question by the way, I don't know the answer to it.

FlubberJones

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think its more got to do that with the counter claim that the 'new variant' is X amount more infectious and this is what did it. Scientists know that this claim which is now repeated as fact by many news outlets will not hold up to any scrutiny. So it had to be socialising. Which it most likely was, lets be honest.

Didn't the WHO state it wasn't the new variant that was the cause of the this big jump... In other words peoples inane desire to cram themselves into each others houses while drinking and laughing... I would like to ask if they're still laughing?

Penfailed

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Can it not be both?

Both would be described as socialising.

funnydoggy

Penfailed wrote: »

Both would be described as socialising.

I first read that as socialism and got very confused.. nearly went back to bed lol

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

It wasn't just May - September was it?

You were calling for an end to restrictions 2 days before Christmas.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115692375&postcount=5361

Did I call for “an end to restrictions “ 2 days before Christmas? Show me the post were I said that please. Did I say those exact words or are you seeing what you want to see?

Not needing lockdown is not the same as no restrictions.

But as always, you lockdown supporters WANT to believe that we just want the virus to run rampant so we can drink pints.

walus

MOH wrote: »

Just to be pedantic, at least half that decrease was due to the previously existing restrictions, and occurred before level 5 had time to take effect...

I agree. The only thing that the level 5 brought in is the 3-fold drop in positivity rate as people were no more allowed to enter the controlled environments, and thus contact tracing became less effective. It did nothing to curb the spread of the virus imo.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

Cue back-pedalling .. so jack claims what he desires is consideration for other problems he listed but clearly his main concern is that everyone disregards the existence of covid

Can you show me where I said I want everyone should disregard the existence of Covid?

I’ll wait.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not needing lockdown is not the same as no restrictions.

In that case, you need to be more specific. To me, I understand 'fully open' to mean no restrictions.

Dempo1

FlubberJones wrote: »

Didn't the WHO state it wasn't the new variant that was the cause of the this big jump... In other words peoples inane desire to cram themselves into each others houses while drinking and laughing... I would like to ask if they're still laughing?

Fascinating the attempts of certain politicians deflecting the reasons for this grim state of affairs. It is quite simply, nonsensical to blame the new varient, all the "Medical experts" agree on the fact it was increased socialisation, plain and simple. Cillian De Gascun made a robust defence yesterday at tge NPHET news conference, of his initial analysis of small numbers of the new varient from a small sample, which was infact all that was available

CalamariFritti

Boggles wrote: »

Would the fact the new strain is rapidly becoming the dominant strain not be proof that it is more transmissible?

That's a genuine question by the way, I don't know the answer to it.

I dont know the answer to it either. It seems to make sense. And it may well be true too. But I think we'd need more than that to call it proof.

This is like a chaos system. I dont think we understand half of it.

Therefore, what I really have an issue with is that within a week or two we (well the UK) had a number on it. 70% more infectious. There is no way they could possibly know that.

DenMan

Does anybody have a list of these 21 reasonable excuses? I've tried the Garda website and their Facebook page and nothing. They mentioned it on Virgin Media News just there and didn't say what they were. You'd think they'd put up a graphic of them for people to see. Nothing on the Virgin Media News Facebook page or their Twitter.

Graham

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

This happens every winter, this one is no different.

I think you'll find we didn't have a COVID pandemic last winter and we hadn't pretty much cleared the hospitals in advance while also facing shortages of medical staff due to the aforementioned pandemic.

Graham

niallo27 wrote: »

Your solution is to stop covid at all costs with no regard for anything else.

Nope, it's not. Never thought it, never suggested.

niallo27 wrote: »

Posters think there should be a bit more balance in thinking. For instance do you think the government were wrong for letting non essential retail open in December.

No, I see nothing to suggest non-essential retail was a major source of infections.

I did see a large cohort of the population make a rather determined effort to prove why restrictions are necessary.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

In that case, you need to be more specific. To me, I understand 'fully open' to mean no restrictions.

Different conversation.
One was between May - September.
Other is Christmas.

Gets confusing when posters start searching through post history

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Did I call for “an end to restrictions “ 2 days before Christmas? Show me the post were I said that please. Did I say those exact words or are you seeing what you want to see?

Not needing lockdown is not the same as no restrictions.

But as always, you lockdown supporters WANT to believe that we just want the virus to run rampant so we can drink pints.

To quote your good self.

We’ll be grand. Only 28 or something in ICU. What’s the panic?

Be Grand Shure.

:pac:

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

To quote your good self.



Be Grand Shure.

:pac:

So we agree that I didn’t actually call for an end to restrictions since you can’t find the post?

one armed dwarf

Unearthly wrote: »

It's quite clear certain people are pretending to care about the mental health of others. The reality is they don't, they probably want a big increase as it will then be used as a reason to cover their true feelings

True feelings is that restrictions is inconvenient to their own life, and they'd happily sacrifice other people's lives to go back to normality. I have a lot more respect for people who admit their lack of empathy and selfishness

It really just feels to me like empty virtue signaling at this point. Otherwise they would at least acknowledge that any rise in suicides this year and the next cannot solely be attributed to lockdowns. The virus isn't benign.

For all the talk about having a mature conversation about the many causes of death they seem to be particularly myopic when it comes to the many reasons why this year is so depressing and difficult for a lot of people.

Whatsisname

Penfailed wrote: »

The UK have just released figures to show their excess deaths last year are the worst since WW2. 91,000 more people died last year than the average of the previous five years

Admittedly maths was never my strong point but the data I've just seen today says it was the worst year since 2003?

UK 2020 total deaths have increased by 13.7% over the average death rate per population 2010 to 2019, where an average of 0.90% of the population died every year. In 2020, 1.03% of the population died. This level has not been seen since 2003.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/kvpgln/uk_2020_total_deaths_have_increased_by_137_over/

ArthurDayne

Unearthly wrote: »

It's quite clear certain people are pretending to care about the mental health of others. The reality is they don't, they probably want a big increase as it will then be used as a reason to cover their true feelings

True feelings is that restrictions is inconvenient to their own life, and they'd happily sacrifice other people's lives to go back to normality. I have a lot more respect for people who admit their lack of empathy and selfishness

Yes, then on the flip side of course are those who have suddenly become the great champions of selflessness — and come the rollout of vaccines will be all too happy to return to a world where the freedom of our movement and association allows infectious diseases to spread and kill.

That’s the problem with moral high grounds isn’t it? Everyone can take one — to the point where we are all standing screaming at eachother from whatever little hill of morality we have chosen for the time being.

FintanMcluskey

Whatsisname wrote: »

Admittedly maths was never my strong point but the data I've just seen today says it was the worst year since 2003?



https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/kvpgln/uk_2020_total_deaths_have_increased_by_137_over/

When you see sensationalist stats like worst deaths since WW2 it doesn’t take into account deaths per capita and thus the fact the population has grown 20 million since then

Sounds better of course and generates more clicks

TomSweeney

manniot2 wrote: »

highest in the world now we are. this is the result of restricting everyone all year. a massive spring was released and everyone is now sick at the same time. we can thank nphet.

Ah how's it going Yoda ! :P

bb1234567

Penfailed wrote: »

The UK have just released figures to show their excess deaths last year are the worst since WW2. 91,000 more people died last year than the average of the previous five years

Well going by this thread it was clearly not result of the pandemic spreading uncontrolled in the UK but much more likely to have been cancer deaths and suicide increase that account for that increase.

It is VERY odd that Ireland with the longest lockdowns in Europe experienced no increase in mortality rates under the same circumstances as has been pointed out many times. But we'll use these two completely contradictory arguments to suit our biased and unsupported belief that COVID is clearly a very mild illness that is not causing any premature death anywhere.

Penfailed

Whatsisname wrote: »

Admittedly maths was never my strong point but the data I've just seen today says it was the worst year since 2003?



https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/kvpgln/uk_2020_total_deaths_have_increased_by_137_over/

I'm only going by what I heard on BBC News earlier.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm only going by what I heard on BBC News earlier.

I thought you avoided listening to all the hysteria?

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm only going by what I heard on BBC News earlier.

...and it's on the BBC website - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55629330 Worst excess deaths since 1940.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I thought you avoided listening to all the hysteria?

You call it hysteria, I call it news. I don't watch/listen to RTE where possible.