Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s essentially white collar vs blue collar

We know which one will pay hardest for this

Yes the families losing love ones are paying the highest price

Allinall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Interesting that Madrid has been operating as relatively normal since October after the regional court ruled that the mitigation measures breached residents fundamental rights.

From

https://www.esmadrid.com/en/information-coronavirus?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ie%2F

[HTML]Latest coronavirus measures in place in the whole of the Madrid region:

A night-time curfew has been introduced meaning residents are only allowed to move around the city between 12 midnight and 6am on work, school or medical grounds, or for other pressing reasons.

Gatherings, both indoors and outdoors and in any setting, are limited to a maximum of 6 people.

Restaurants, bars and cafés are no longer allowed to serve at the bar and must reduce capacity to 50% indoors and 75% outdoors. They must close at 12pm, and stop serving at 11pm, except if they are providing home delivery services.

Facemasks must be worn in all public spaces in Madrid, both indoor and outdoor. The only exception are people doing sports and children under the age of 6.

Social distancing rules must be followed at all times.

Smoking outdoors in public places is forbidden if and when a 2-metre distance cannot be maintained.

The maximum capacity is 50% in most enclosed spaces (such as hotels, restaurants, places of worship and sports facilities), and 75% in cultural venues (like museums, monuments, theatres and cinemas) and shopping centres. The Rastro flea market remains closed.

Night clubs and other late night venues remain closed.

All public parks and gardens will shut between 10pm and 6am until further notice.[/HTML]

Hardly "relatively normal"

FintanMcluskey

average_runner wrote: »

Yes the families losing love ones are paying the highest price

They pay the highest price every year.

They’re was more families paying the highest price in 2018 in Ireland than 2020.

Time to have an adult discussion without childish emotional manipulation

FintanMcluskey

Allinall wrote: »

From

https://www.esmadrid.com/en/information-coronavirus?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ie%2F

[HTML]Latest coronavirus measures in place in the whole of the Madrid region:

A night-time curfew has been introduced meaning residents are only allowed to move around the city between 12 midnight and 6am on work, school or medical grounds, or for other pressing reasons.

Gatherings, both indoors and outdoors and in any setting, are limited to a maximum of 6 people.

Restaurants, bars and cafés are no longer allowed to serve at the bar and must reduce capacity to 50% indoors and 75% outdoors. They must close at 12pm, and stop serving at 11pm, except if they are providing home delivery services.

Facemasks must be worn in all public spaces in Madrid, both indoor and outdoor. The only exception are people doing sports and children under the age of 6.

Social distancing rules must be followed at all times.

Smoking outdoors in public places is forbidden if and when a 2-metre distance cannot be maintained.

The maximum capacity is 50% in most enclosed spaces (such as hotels, restaurants, places of worship and sports facilities), and 75% in cultural venues (like museums, monuments, theatres and cinemas) and shopping centres. The Rastro flea market remains closed.

Night clubs and other late night venues remain closed.

All public parks and gardens will shut between 10pm and 6am until further notice.[/HTML]

Hardly "relatively normal"

If you don’t consider that relatively normal Ireland has been a police state since March.

That description of Madrid is essentially the most relaxed Ireland has been since last March

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Interesting that Madrid has been operating as relatively normal since October after the regional court ruled that the mitigation measures breached residents fundamental rights.

Webcams for Madrid shows the streets pretty empty. Maybe the Madrid people listens more to the advice instead of just ignoring and thinking they know all

Captain_Crash

average_runner wrote: »

Webcams for Madrid shows the streets pretty empty. Maybe the Madrid people listens more to the advice instead of just ignoring and thinking they know all

If you essentially lock people up for x amount of time, any respite will be used to the fullest extent (see xmas). If people were not dictated to here about what were allowed and not allowed do then it’s safe to assume we wouldn’t all be going mad!

Leave the door open permanently and people will feel less of an urge to burst out, but open on for short periods then people will rush out to make the most of it!

If we were to do a Madrid here, we’d quickly see our streets in the same manner as Madrid’s, we’d have to just accept that it’ll take a couple of weeks for the madness to die down! It’s animal instinct, human nature, and despite how much we may try, Mother Nature always wins! Always!

average_runner

Captain_Crash wrote: »

If you essentially lock people up for x amount of time, any respite will be used to the fullest extent (see xmas). If people were not dictated to here about what were allowed and not allowed do then it’s safe to assume we wouldn’t all be going mad!

Leave the door open permanently and people will feel less of an urge to burst out, but open on for short periods then people will rush out to make the most of it!

If we were to do a Madrid here, we’d quickly see our streets in the same manner as Madrid’s, we’d have to just accept that it’ll take a couple of weeks for the madness to die down! It’s animal instinct, human nature, and despite how much we may try, Mother Nature always wins! Always!

Only a minority behaved a certain way over xmas. Uk, Germany and France opened up in the summer and still in a mess now also!

Gael23

How long do you reckon this L5 will last for?

FintanMcluskey

Gael23 wrote: »

How long do you reckon this L5 will last for?

Same as last year, about 2.5 months after it’s actually required!

Unless the government call NPHET to heel and take charge.

Also NPHET should only give public briefings in level 5, it’s a waste of their limited time to be assembling to give public briefings, that and the hidden cost to the mental health of the states citizens will last for generations

Captain_Crash

average_runner wrote: »

Only a minority behaved a certain way over xmas. Uk, Germany and France opened up in the summer and still in a mess now also!

If only a minority behaved a certain way then isn’t that all the more reason to follow another route that doesn’t involve locking people at home?

average_runner

Captain_Crash wrote: »

If only a minority behaved a certain way then isn’t that all the more reason to follow another route that doesn’t involve locking people at home?

Not when you had that behaviour over xmas. Keep lockdown now till March 20 and we go from there

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

the mental health of the states citizens will last for generations

Jesus, hyperbolic post of the pandemic contender.

Gael23

I’m not going to go without seeing my grandparents until June, particularly when they will have had the vaccine

Captain_Crash

average_runner wrote: »

Not when you had that behaviour over xmas. Keep lockdown now till March 20 and we go from there

That only happened because we’ve been living a restricted life for over 9 months! Had we never entered level 5 and just stayed at level 3 in the lead up to xmas I firmly believe we wouldn’t be in the sh*t we are now!

But instead people’s lives were suppressed and when things opened we were quickly told it was to closed again anyway.... what did you actually expect would happen?

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it was always going to come to that! And when things open again people are now programmed to think they’ll close soon and take full advantage! That’s at the government and NPHET’s door

Boggles

Captain_Crash wrote: »

That only happened because we’ve been living a restricted life for over 9 months! Had we never entered level 5 and just stayed at level 3 in the lead up to xmas I firmly believe we wouldn’t be in the sh*t we are now!

What you believe is not based on what happened in other countries.

What we effectively did was delayed our 2nd wave, public health wanted to delay it further. Christmas was always going to be tricky.

The likes of the UK and Germany have been battling the second wave since October and the deaths and hospitalizations reflect this.

acequion

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, hyperbolic post of the pandemic contender.

Yet another patronising remark! How about just a small bit of respect for the concept of mental ill-health? And how about a small bit of sensitivity to all the stress, fear, anxiety, loneliness, bewilderment, boredom etc, etc that is right now being felt out there? Probably by many of those who read these threads.

Or am I "hyperbolic post of the pandemic contender" as well!

Boggles

acequion wrote: »

Yet another patronising remark! How about just a small bit of respect for the concept of mental ill-health? And how about a small bit of sensitivity to all the stress, fear, anxiety, loneliness, bewilderment, boredom etc, etc that is right now being felt out there? Probably by many of those who read these threads.

Or am I "hyperbolic post of the pandemic contender" as well!

Do you think your great grand children will suffer mentally because we couldn't get our hair cut or go to the pub for a few months 70 years before they are born?

I have the greatest empathy for people with mental health issues, people using comical hyperbole to validate pandemic denial I don't.

Also you seem to spend your time being outraged by posts where there is actually no reason for outrage.

That's fairly bizarre TBH.

PTH2009

Bye bye spring and summer according to Leo

https://theliberal.ie/covid-19-tanaiste-predicts-a-slow-reopening-of-the-country-in-the-wake-of-a-worsening-coronavirus-situation-in-ireland/

Fuming

Boggles

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bye bye spring and summer according to Leo

https://theliberal.ie/covid-19-tanaiste-predicts-a-slow-reopening-of-the-country-in-the-wake-of-a-worsening-coronavirus-situation-in-ireland/

Fuming

Fairly meaty article there.

:pac:

Good news site though. Thumbs up!

Mr. Karate

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bye bye spring and summer according to Leo

https://theliberal.ie/covid-19-tanaiste-predicts-a-slow-reopening-of-the-country-in-the-wake-of-a-worsening-coronavirus-situation-in-ireland/

Fuming

Dear Leo,
**** OFF!!!

The taxpayers.

I don't know how anyone can defend this with a straight face. They clearly are enjoying this at this stage.

statesaver

Looks like fun.
Wouldn't mind a bit of snow.

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1350042546135678978

Real Donald Trump

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bye bye spring and summer according to Leo

https://theliberal.ie/covid-19-tanaiste-predicts-a-slow-reopening-of-the-country-in-the-wake-of-a-worsening-coronavirus-situation-in-ireland/

Fuming

Leo is such a spoofer

froog

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0115/1189868-coronavirus-ireland/

47% of current ICU patients are <65 years old.

Kermit.de.frog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Same as last year, about 2.5 months after it’s actually required!

Unless the government call NPHET to heel and take charge.

The last time the government did that around October it led to an enhanced surge. That won't be happening again.

There is a lesson in here - listen to expert advice.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bye bye spring and summer according to Leo

https://theliberal.ie/covid-19-tanaiste-predicts-a-slow-reopening-of-the-country-in-the-wake-of-a-worsening-coronavirus-situation-in-ireland/

Fuming

The fact that you deciphered that from a 2 paragraph article that neither mentions or alludes to summer being cancelled is incredible. You missed your calling as a derective....

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The last time the government did that around October it led to an enhanced surge. That won't be happening again.

There is a lesson in here - listen to expert advice.

No unnecessary suppression leads to surges as people seek to socialise as much as possible in a short period of time.

I still can’t understand how so many don’t understand the psychology behind suppression.

I do now think many that post here didn’t socialise before and likely won’t after, but that’s not reflective of wider society

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0115/1189868-coronavirus-ireland/

47% of current ICU patients are <65 years old.

50% of cases in ICU likely caught in hospital

Kermit.de.frog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No unnecessary suppression leads to surges as people seek to socialise as much as possible in a short period of time.

I still can’t understand how so many don’t understand the psychology behind suppression.

I do now think many that post here didn’t socialise before and likely won’t after, but that’s not reflective of wider society

Most rational adults understand the nature of the problem, take personal responsiblity, follow the rules, and get on with it.

They are the firm majority in wider society and i'm pretty sure they like to get out, go to restaurants and pubs, and meet people too...

acequion

Boggles wrote: »

Do you think your great grand children will suffer mentally because we couldn't get our hair cut or go to the pub for a few months 70 years before they are born?

I have the greatest empathy for people with mental health issues, people using comical hyperbole to validate pandemic denial I don't.

Also you seem to spend your time being outraged by posts where there is actually no reason for outrage.

That's fairly bizarre TBH.

And you seem to spend your time permanently on here which I find a bit bizarre. And permanently making patronising and often insulting remarks, which when I spot, I call you out on. Such as the emboldened above.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

50% of cases in ICU likely caught in hospital

This virus loves hospitals and nursing homes.

It’s not surprising though to see younger people in ICU. First of all, they may be in ICU for an entirely different reason and just happened to test positive while there. But chances of survival in ICU are extremely high. Probably we admit people who do t really need it.

But also, we know that most Covid deaths are too sick for ICU anyways. Median age of deaths is 82 today.