Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Ten of Swords

Manniot2 do not post in this thread again

Goldengirl

Nonoperational wrote: »

First day off tomorrow in 2 weeks working in a hospital in Dublin. Very large numbers of people from 50 up presenting with pneumonia. Not contracting it in hospital, not particularly unhealthy people before this. Very sobering.
Fair play to all the lads here with their ‘opinions’ about what’s really going on. Even if your number if up this year dying of pneumonia and sepsis is a hell of a ****ty way to go. People won’t and don’t care and will go out of their way to continue with the same narrative, I realise that now and I’m at peace with it. I’ve changed my tune considerably since Christmas tbh.

Exactly how I feel .
For those revelling in supposed hospital acquired infection being 50% , or thereabouts, that is due to those infected already being admitted and testing positive thereafter,
as well as those in hospital being infected due to transmission from patient or staff .

Believe me we all agree the worst place to be in a pandemic is in the midst of all those infected , but some of us have no choice .
Hopefully you all will stay well and hope noone here has to endure what others are enduring atm unfortunately.

Silentcorner

There is nobody revelling in anything, this past 10 months has been a huge challenge on even the healthiest of minds, over 5 million people are locked in their homes this evening...an unprecedented action taken by any government.

Some people have bought into the hysteria
Some have not

emeldc

Nonoperational wrote: »

First day off tomorrow in 2 weeks working in a hospital in Dublin. Very large numbers of people from 50 up presenting with pneumonia. Not contracting it in hospital, not particularly unhealthy people before this. Very sobering.
Fair play to all the lads here with their ‘opinions’ about what’s really going on. Even if your number if up this year dying of pneumonia and sepsis is a hell of a ****ty way to go. People won’t and don’t care and will go out of their way to continue with the same narrative, I realise that now and I’m at peace with it. I’ve changed my tune considerably since Christmas tbh.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Exactly how I feel .
For those revelling in supposed hospital acquired infection being 50% , or thereabouts, that is due to those infected already being admitted and testing positive thereafter,
as well as those in hospital being infected due to transmission from patient or staff .

Believe me we all agree the worst place to be in a pandemic is in the midst of all those infected , but some of us have no choice .
Hopefully you all will stay well and hope noone here has to endure what others are enduring atm unfortunately.

Thank you for clearing up the hospital admissions/infections situation. I doubt it will deter those that are hell bent on finger pointing though.

And well done you two. Keep up the good work.

FintanMcluskey

emeldc wrote: »

Thank you for clearing up the hospital admissions/infections situation. I doubt it will deter those that are hell bent on finger pointing though.

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Who NPHET?

emeldc

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Who NPHET?

There was a time on the thread when you contributed at least. Now you’re just becoming very predictable and boring Fintan. Change the record.

FintanMcluskey

emeldc wrote: »

There was a time on the thread when you contributed at least. Now you’re just becoming very predictable and boring Fintan. Change the record.

You need to try a lot harder.

On a serious note, both Covid threads are exceptionally quiet tonight, I often wonder why that happens?

Nobody is doing anything different than last Friday night, do they just get fed up of talking about it I wonder?

Desensitised perhaps

Stheno

emeldc wrote: »

Thank you for clearing up the hospital admissions/infections situation. I doubt it will deter those that are hell bent on finger pointing though.

And well done you two. Keep up the good work.

You just have to look at the daily report to see the figures, its clear when you look admissions less discharges and then additional people in hospital with Covid that there is infection occuring/ being identified in hospital

It was 50% tonight

And that was what the CCO of the HSE said this week

Its an inescapable fact that hospitals are ripe for spreading infection, not the fault of front line workers however

emeldc

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You need to try a lot harder.

On a serious note, both Covid threads are exceptionally quiet tonight, I often wonder why that happens?

Nobody is doing anything different than last Friday night, do they just get fed up of talking about it I wonder?

Desensitised perhaps

I’m not biting. You’re full of sh1t.

FintanMcluskey

emeldc wrote: »

I’m not biting. You’re full of sh1t.

Ah fair enough.

Yet again nothing to contribute but pathetic immature insults.

I did try to engage in debate, but you could only display of the level your at.

Which is lower than most here

emeldc

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Who NPHET?

You were being a smart arse with that post. As you have been with plenty of others. Stick to debating. Comedy is not your strong point.

FintanMcluskey

emeldc wrote: »

You were being a smart arse that post. As you have been with plenty of others. Stick to debating. Comedy is not your strong point.

Once is enough.

I tried to engage with debate.

You took the knuckle dragging option

niallo27

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You need to try a lot harder.

On a serious note, both Covid threads are exceptionally quiet tonight, I often wonder why that happens?

Nobody is doing anything different than last Friday night, do they just get fed up of talking about it I wonder?

Desensitised perhaps

Totally desensitised by the numbers at this stage, even the deaths I think most people pay little attention to them at this stage if they are honest

emeldc

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Once is enough.

I tried to engage with debate.

You took the knuckle dragging option

Nope, you told me try a lot harder. That’s not how you start a debate. I was thanking the two frontline workers, you chose to be a smart arse with your Nphet comment. Maybe you could have thanked them as well. But no, you’re above that no doubt.

FintanMcluskey

niallo27 wrote: »

Totally desensitised by the numbers at this stage, even the deaths I think most people pay little attention to them at this stage if they are honest

I remember a doctor did an AMA earlier last year and predicted that by the turn of the year most people would ignore the death rate.

Looks kind of prophetic now

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

Totally desensitised by the numbers at this stage, even the deaths I think most people pay little attention to them at this stage if they are honest

To be honest, they don’t tell us much anyways.

The deaths are WITH Covid and include people that are very old and in very poor health. Also includes possible and probable as admitted by the Taoiseach and CMO. Excess deaths would be more interesting to see.

Similar with hospitals. 50% caught it in there. So how many are actually sick?

Numbers are just numbers without context. And a lot of the context is hidden or more difficult to find.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

To be honest, they don’t tell us much anyways.

The deaths are WITH Covid and include people that are very old and in very poor health. Also includes possible and probable as admitted by the Taoiseach and CMO. Excess deaths would be more interesting to see.

Similar with hospitals. 50% caught it in there. So how many are actually sick?

The excess deaths for 2020 are less than 2018.

As regards the 50% of hospital cases having contracted the disease in hospitals it seems that they caught the disease in the community, got admitted to hospital for other reasons, and tested positive for Covid after a few days.

copeyhagen

does anyone else not even bother sterilising their hands anymore going into a shop? not trying to sound like a hero or a kunt or anything but im just sick of it all so much, like its a cold or a mild flu if i get it, who cares.

I now know about 3 people that have had it, one died back in March due to complications, 2 others had loss of smell and taste and nothing else.

my folks are gone back to spain as theyre just sick of this yoyo lockdown bull**** in Ireland.

Goldengirl

Stheno wrote: »

You just have to look at the daily report to see the figures, its clear when you look admissions less discharges and then additional people in hospital with Covid that there is infection occuring/ being identified in hospital

It was 50% tonight

And that was what the CCO of the HSE said this week

Its an inescapable fact that hospitals are ripe for spreading infection, not the fault of front line workers however

How much infection is caused by transmission in hospital, and how much by people coming in already infected for something else but not testing positive initially , and then becoming symptomatic or being retested .
Those figures are not available so , no disagreement there .
However those cases should be dropping as elective admissions are cancelled .
Still emergency non Covid being admitted though .
Unfortunately people test negative and then positive a few days after admission into non Covid areas , so it is not necessarily transmission IN hospital .

copeyhagen

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The excess deaths for 2020 are less than 2018.

As regards the 50% of hospital cases having contracted the disease in hospitals it seems that they caught the disease in the community, got admitted to hospital for other reasons, and tested positive for Covid after a few days.

have you proof of this.

Kunta Kinte

copeyhagen wrote: »

does anyone else not even bother sterilising their hands anymore going into a shop? not trying to sound like a hero or a kunt or anything but im just sick of it all so much, like its a cold or a mild flu if i get it, who cares.

I now know about 3 people that have had it, one died back in March due to complications, 2 others had loss of smell and taste and nothing else.

my folks are gone back to spain as theyre just sick of this yoyo lockdown bull**** in Ireland.

If you get a serious case of it I`m sure you will care abut it very quickly.

copeyhagen

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

If you get a serious case of it I`m sure you will care abut it very quickly.

i dont have any underlying conditions so im pretty sure i wouldnt be too worried, as im not. and nobody else healthy under the age of 65 should be either.

didnt someone post the HSE death figures for 2021 this week and NOBODY under the 55-65 age bracket had died, out of THOUSANDS of cases.

fin12

copeyhagen wrote: »

i dont have any underlying conditions so im pretty sure i wouldnt be too worried, as im not. and nobody else healthy under the age of 65 should be either.

didnt someone post the HSE death figures for 2021 this week and NOBODY under the 55-65 age bracket had died, out of THOUSANDS of cases.

Between this, the housing crisis and the massive f*cking rescission looming , is it any wonder Someone wanted to blow up government buildings today.

Kunta Kinte

fin12 wrote: »

Between this, the housing crisis and the massive f*cking rescission looming , is it any wonder Someone wanted to blow up government buildings today.

Like the Trump supporting nut jobs tried to do ?

FintanMcluskey

fin12 wrote: »

Between this, the housing crisis and the massive f*cking rescission looming , is it any wonder Someone wanted to blow up government buildings today.

What exactly are you alluding to?

It’s not clear?

Penfailed

emeldc wrote: »

You were being a smart arse with that post. As you have been with plenty of others. Stick to debating. Comedy is not your strong point.

Sometimes his comedy is actually pretty good.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Sometimes his comedy is actually pretty good.

Well that’s an unintentional part of my scientific debate

Cork2021

Gerry Killeen is back!!! 100% of population need to be vaccinated before lifting restrictions!!!

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/01/15/saturdays-papers-67/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial-social

Windmill100000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This virus loves hospitals and nursing homes.

It’s not surprising though to see younger people in ICU. First of all, they may be in ICU for an entirely different reason and just happened to test positive while there. But chances of survival in ICU are extremely high. Probably we admit people who do t really need it.

But also, we know that most Covid deaths are too sick for ICU anyways. Median age of deaths is 82 today.

It's not that they are "too sick" for ICU. Many people at that age, and indeed younger if they have other terminal conditions, have Do Not Resuscitate status. An 80-year-old with a DNR status wont be given an ICU bed.

No one is admitted to an ICU bed that "doesnt really need it". I'm not sure where you are getting your information from or if you are just making it up to fit your narrative. These beds are given to patients that are deemed to require critical one-on-one care.

Chances of survival are not "really high" either. It depends what you go in with but this article suggests 50%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/read-this/what-actually-happens-you-icu-and-patients-chances-survival-2531826?amp

Boggles

copeyhagen wrote: »

didnt someone post the HSE death figures for 2021 this week and NOBODY under the 55-65 age bracket had died, out of THOUSANDS of cases.

From yesterday

All of these 50 deaths occurred in January 2021. The median age of those who died was 82 years, and the age range was 45-96 years. There were no newly reported deaths in healthcare workers. There were no newly reported deaths in young people under the age of 30