Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Aph2016

Cork2021 wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is back!!! 100% of population need to be vaccinated before lifting restrictions!!!

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/01/15/saturdays-papers-67/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial-social

That chap is straight up deranged.

leanin2019

What's everyone's thoughts on the reopening plans?

Varadkar seems to have signaled it could be end of March before most open again, but that it would start with construction and schools, and then some outdoor retail.

leanin2019

leanin2019 wrote: »

What's everyone's thoughts on the reopening plans?

Varadkar seems to have signaled it could be end of March before most open again, but that it would start with construction and schools, and then some outdoor retail.

Dry January is a thing. The same thing happens every year. Most people go into hiding after December and get their finances and that back on track.

I think compliance would really be dropping by March, if not February.

corcaigh07

leanin2019 wrote: »

What's everyone's thoughts on the reopening plans?

Varadkar seems to have signaled it could be end of March before most open again, but that it would start with construction and schools, and then some outdoor retail.

With the PUP currently expiring at the end of March, I reckon that may be the closest clue we have to the Government's finances, especially as they haven't extended that date out yet (they were early to extend it last time).

Provided case numbers are ok, I'd say that's when we can look forward to a significant easing of restrictions but with wet pubs/clubs shut and no matches or gigs.

Gael23

corcaigh07 wrote: »

With the PUP currently expiring at the end of March, I reckon that may be the closest clue we have to the Government's finances, especially as they haven't extended that date out yet (they were early to extend it last time).

Provided case numbers are ok, I'd say that's when we can look forward to a significant easing of restrictions but with wet pubs/clubs shut and no matches or gigs.

Agree with you but public cooperation won’t last that long

copeyhagen

Boggles wrote: »

From yesterday

Median age, 82

Boggles

corcaigh07 wrote: »

With the PUP currently expiring at the end of March, I reckon that may be the closest clue we have to the Government's finances, especially as they haven't extended that date out yet (they were early to extend it last time).

They extended it towards the end of November, it was due to expiry at the end of December.

It can be done quite quickly, it only needs cabinet approval.

Lack of data over the new strains has created vast uncertainty.

If you listen to Germans and English it doesn't sound great.

But in regards the PUP, I imagine it's a guarantee that the income supports will be extended as long as businesses are shuttered.

Boggles

copeyhagen wrote: »

Median age, 82

Indeed.

But your claim that no one under 55 has died this month is not accurate.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed.

But your claim that no one under 55 has died this month is not accurate.

But it’s probably 1.

Golfman64

corcaigh07 wrote: »

With the PUP currently expiring at the end of March, I reckon that may be the closest clue we have to the Government's finances, especially as they haven't extended that date out yet (they were early to extend it last time).

Provided case numbers are ok, I'd say that's when we can look forward to a significant easing of restrictions but with wet pubs/clubs shut and no matches or gigs.

If numbers get circa 1k by end of Jan, we may see the likes of click and collect, golf, tennis and maybe stay in county. That would seem rational and sensible.

That said, there’s a distinct chance nothing will change until end of Feb because that’s probably a safer bet for the government given the seemingly strong outcry against what they did in December even though I still think allowing retail and restaurants to open in December was the right choice given the economic benefits of being allowed trade in December for those entities. People were going to mix regardless over Christmas in household settings and I reckon we’d be in a similar position either way...

corcaigh07

Golfman64 wrote: »

If numbers get circa 1k by end of Jan, we may see the likes of click and collect, golf, tennis and maybe stay in county. That would seem rational and sensible.

That said, there’s a distinct chance nothing will change until end of Feb because that’s probably a safer bet for the government given the seemingly strong outcry against what they did in December even though I still think allowing retail and restaurants to open in December was the right choice given the economic benefits of being allowed trade in December for those entities. People were going to mix regardless over Christmas in household settings and I reckon we’d be in a similar position either way...

Level 5 with minimal changes until end of March I reckon. All over 70s are due to be vaccinated by then.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

But it’s probably 1.

It doesn't state.

I imagine their family or families are not any way less bereft either way.

Idbatterim

corcaigh07 wrote: »

With the PUP currently expiring at the end of March, I reckon that may be the closest clue we have to the Government's finances, especially as they haven't extended that date out yet (they were early to extend it last time).

Provided case numbers are ok, I'd say that's when we can look forward to a significant easing of restrictions but with wet pubs/clubs shut and no matches or gigs.

If they have the ability to borrow more and they do pup will be extended. They'll borrow to the hilt now as it's the easy solution and the easy short term solution is the only thing any irish government has ever known.

FintanMcluskey

Just seen this, would have thought the point of the vaccine was to protect the vulnerable

http://https://mobile.twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1350169986162155520?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

“We are now asking for doctors to continue with the vaccination, but to carry out extra evaluation of very sick people whose underlying condition might be aggravated by it.”

The BMJ tonight reporting:
Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.

Cork2021

They can fûck right off if they think that we’ll keep restrictions for a full year again! What absolute rubbish coming from a man I thought was actually one of the better communicators. This is on the same level as Micheal Lehane’s tweet last night .!
No need to depress people this month especially January the most depressing month of any year!

https://m.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html?fbclid=IwAR3rSvzDcBO43CYD0c3x4Gy-JTNe1BLEtrtwikY_8t2Z1BKXzCMbV0vbuqM

CalamariFritti

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Just seen this, would have thought the point of the vaccine was to protect the vulnerable

http://https://mobile.twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1350169986162155520?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I saw that.

They vaccinated 25,00 people. Starting with the very old and frail. If you take a group of thousands and thousands of very old and frail people, a few of them are going to die every week no matter what. No?

FintanMcluskey

Cork2021 wrote: »

They can fûck right off if they think that we’ll keep restrictions for a full year again! What absolute rubbish coming from a man I thought was actually one of the better communicators. This is on the same level as Micheal Lehane’s tweet last night .!
No need to depress people this month especially January the most depressing month of any year!

https://m.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html?fbclid=IwAR3rSvzDcBO43CYD0c3x4Gy-JTNe1BLEtrtwikY_8t2Z1BKXzCMbV0vbuqM

Looking like it.

If we implement mitigation measures using the same metrics as before they will likely last for even longer

Mr. Karate

Cork2021 wrote: »

Gerry Killeen is back!!! 100% of population need to be vaccinated before lifting restrictions!!!

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2021/01/15/saturdays-papers-67/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial-social

He can go **** himself.

And certain people wonder why "they're enjoying this" and "they're trying to drag this out for as long as possible" have become popular. With this clown and Martin and Varadkar pretty much saying that normality will not be returning this year. They won't be happy until people just give up altogether.

CalamariFritti

Cork2021 wrote: »

They can fûck right off if they think that we’ll keep restrictions for a full year again! What absolute rubbish coming from a man I thought was actually one of the better communicators. This is on the same level as Micheal Lehane’s tweet last night .!
No need to depress people this month especially January the most depressing month of any year!

https://m.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html?fbclid=IwAR3rSvzDcBO43CYD0c3x4Gy-JTNe1BLEtrtwikY_8t2Z1BKXzCMbV0vbuqM

In my opinion it defies logic.

We can not eradicate this and we can not prevent this from spreading to everyone eventually. We are doing this to keep it within what the health service can deal with. There will still be people getting sick and die from it. To quote Dr. Henry

not everyone likes it but it’s the truth

Once the immunity from spread and vaccines is enough to lessen the health service impact sufficiently we're done in terms of lockdowns and restrictions. There may be a graded wind-down to all and the final restrictions like pubs, nightclubs, concerts etc required, but in essence we're done then.

Discuss

FintanMcluskey

CalamariFritti wrote: »

In my opinion it defies logic.

We can not eradicate this and we can not prevent this from spreading to everyone eventually. We are doing this to keep it within what the health service can deal with. There will still be people getting sick and die from it. To quote Dr. Henry

Once the immunity from spread and vaccines is enough to lessen the health service impact sufficiently we're done in terms of lockdowns and restrictions. There may be a graded wind-down to all and the final restrictions like pubs, nightclubs, concerts etc required, but in essence we're done then.

Discuss

I don’t think much will reopen but people will socialise themselves within homes and shebeens will become a great social outlet for all ages.

This Summer will still likely have NPHET briefings and warnings. More people will see through it for the farce it is

Sports and nightclubs etc will likely remain shut to crowds.

CalamariFritti

Mr. Karate wrote: »

He can go **** himself.

And certain people wonder why "they're enjoying this" and "they're trying to drag this out for as long as possible" have become popular. With this clown and Martin and Varadkar pretty much saying that normality will not be returning this year. They won't be happy until people just give up altogether.

Government will change their tune when they feel that public opinions sways.

As a society we comply for now because we are by and large responsible people. But when the vaccines start dropping the covid numbers as hoped - and its not unreasonable to think that effect will start to kick in when the old/vulnerable are inoculated - public opinion will change fairly swiftly and so will th politicians tune. And no number of warnings from George Lee and Dr Henry will change that.

Micky 32

Cork2021 wrote: »

They can fûck right off if they think that we’ll keep restrictions for a full year again! What absolute rubbish coming from a man I thought was actually one of the better communicators. This is on the same level as Micheal Lehane’s tweet last night .!
No need to depress people this month especially January the most depressing month of any year!

https://m.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html?fbclid=IwAR3rSvzDcBO43CYD0c3x4Gy-JTNe1BLEtrtwikY_8t2Z1BKXzCMbV0vbuqM

I do think that summer onwards we’ll be in a totally different position with no restrictions like we have today( i have always predicted autumn for back to normal).There will be just a few precautions until a lot of the population is inoculated. It’s just worse case scenario talk. It’s going to depend how the vaccine gets rolled out.

johnboy1298

CalamariFritti wrote: »

In my opinion it defies logic.

We can not eradicate this and we can not prevent this from spreading to everyone eventually. We are doing this to keep it within what the health service can deal with. There will still be people getting sick and die from it. To quote Dr. Henry

Once the immunity from spread and vaccines is enough to lessen the health service impact sufficiently we're done in terms of lockdowns and restrictions. There may be a graded wind-down to all and the final restrictions like pubs, nightclubs, concerts etc required, but in essence we're done then.

Discuss

Essentially yes but the whole principle of living with Coronavirus has been completely lost. It seems that its possible to justify strict lockdown pretty much all of the time.

Ultimately the vaccine should end this and we should be able to relax measures when vulnerable groups are covered in April/May, but there has been so much scaremongering that people will want restrictions regardless of deaths. It also seems that the people who want this will get media coverage and support as sadly bad news is better headlines than common sense.

Boggles

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Once the immunity from spread and vaccines is enough to lessen the health service impact sufficiently we're done in terms of lockdowns and restrictions. There may be a graded wind-down to all and the final restrictions like pubs, nightclubs, concerts etc required, but in essence we're done then.

Discuss

The vast majority vaccinated by the Autumn, winter to test it has always been my thinking. All going good, no restrictions from Spring next year.

As daunting as that sounds it's probably the most realistic scenario.

Listening to a couple of festival concert promoters during the week (not Irish ones), they seem to be pushing the vaccine card idea, the problem with that is the demographic who would attend a festival would be one of the last cohort to receive a vaccine.

CalamariFritti

Boggles wrote: »

The vast majority vaccinated by the Autumn, winter to test it has always been my thinking. All going good, no restrictions from Spring next year.

As daunting as that sounds it's probably the most realistic scenario.

Listening to a couple of festival concert promoters during the week (not Irish ones), they seem to be pushing the vaccine card idea, the problem with that is the demographic who would attend a festival would be one of the last cohort to receive a vaccine.

Ok but what are you basing this on?

Lets say the vaccines do their job and reduce number of hospitalisations and serious outcomes - to put a number on it - by factor 5 or 10. And we start seeing this in April/May. In this case I cant see the public staying on board with more than the very last bits of restrictions by the end of spring.

Boggles

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ok but what are you basing this on?

Lets say the vaccines do their job and reduce number of hospitalisations and serious outcomes - to put a number on it - by factor 5 or 10. And we start seeing this in April/May. In this case I cant see the public staying on board with more than the very last bits of restrictions by the end of spring.

What public health experts have being telling us, plus a bit of common sense.

I think if people are expecting zero restrictions by the end of spring they will be very disappointed.

You'll still in all reality have millions not inoculated in the country and if you let the virus rinse through them their is plenty there to fill up the hospitals.

lee_baby_simms

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ok but what are you basing this on?

Lets say the vaccines do their job and reduce number of hospitalisations and serious outcomes - to put a number on it - by factor 5 or 10. And we start seeing this in April/May. In this case I cant see the public staying on board with more than the very last bits of restrictions by the end of spring.

Not according to Dr Henry.

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

Micky 32

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Not according to Dr Henry.

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

Whether you like it or not Either way this time next year it will be over. Social distance will be over. Not a chance will i be social distancing from anyone especially if they have been inoculated like myself.

CalamariFritti

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Not according to Dr Henry.

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

I know, that article started this.

lee_baby_simms

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Not according to Dr Henry.

https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html

He is talking about complete normality, with no social distancing or anything. Completely pre-COVID behaviour. We will work through level 3 to 2 to 1 many months before that

(I think it does indicate that it won’t be into 2022 that nightclubs are open though, and all restrictions on standing and numbers in pubs are released)

There is not a single person on this thread expecting that there will be zero restrictions in the spring / summer