Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

46 Long wrote: »

He took a bit of initiative, prioritized the well-being of his family and prevented vaccines from going to waste.

The less waste the better but I can understand how the optics of the alleged scenario wouldn't look good.

Spanish Eyes

Excess vaccines should not be discarded. AFAIK the Pfizer cannot last once defrosted.

The Coombe fella was dead right, only thing is, it was not tested on under 16/18 yr olds but maybe they are older. Still in a low risk category.

The chances of this happening were always there. To those in the know I suppose.

Israel is giving excess vaccine to anyone on a first come first served basis.

Tork

fin12 wrote: »

But why do other vaccines prevent u from getting a virus, take the hpv one that prevents u from getting the virus?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html

COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness. Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection, but with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.

It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.

Graham

fin12 wrote: »

But why do other vaccines prevent u from getting a virus, take the hpv one that prevents u from getting the virus?

Same applies. Body is taught how to fight it off rather than shield from it.

Probably a discussion better suited to the biology forum.

Think of a vaccine as self-defence lessons for your blood. It's not going to stop you getting attacked, it's going to help you fight off an attack.

hamburgham

dalyboy wrote: »

Ahh , your both wrong. It’s “red rag to a bull”

Not quite there yourself.

Neamhshuntasach

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Excess vaccines should not be discarded. AFAIK the Pfizer cannot last once defrosted.

The Coombe fella was dead right, only thing is, it was not tested on under 16/18 yr olds but maybe they are older. Still in a low risk category.

The chances of this happening were always there. To those in the know I suppose.

Israel is giving excess vaccine to anyone on a first come first served basis.

It lasts 5 days in a standard fridge once defrosted. So between 2 to 8 degrees Celsius. With planning, they can be stored again. But moving off premise can be tricky from what I know.

I don't know what happened here. But it reads like it's coordinated. Vaccinations are on a particular day and it was sorted to come in to get one. If it was a case of having to call up people to come in because they were going to waste. They could have been stored in a fridge and given to works in the hospital in other areas.

Lundstram

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Excess vaccines should not be discarded. AFAIK the Pfizer cannot last once defrosted.

The Coombe fella was dead right, only thing is, it was not tested on under 16/18 yr olds but maybe they are older. Still in a low risk category.

The chances of this happening were always there. To those in the know I suppose.

Israel is giving excess vaccine to anyone on a first come first served basis.

Crumlin hospital is just around the corner, numerous nursing homes near by. Why was it not brought there or a call to say send over eligible people for it?

What gives him the right to decide his family should get it? The arrogance of him. He should be sacked for this.

fin12

Lundstram wrote: »

Crumlin hospital is just around the corner, numerous nursing homes near by. Why was it not brought there or a call to say send over eligible people for it?

What gives him the right to decide his family should get it? The arrogance of him. He should be sacked for this.

Because it would probably have loads of paperwork to go through and by the time done, the vaccines. Would have been dumped. He properly knows better how the organization. Is run and made the choice that it was going to be wasted

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

Crumlin hospital is just around the corner, numerous nursing homes near by. Why was it not brought there or a call to say send over eligible people for it?

What gives him the right to decide his family should get it? The arrogance of him. He should be sacked for this.

Can't imagine it's a great idea to have open vials of vaccine trotting around the streets nor encouraging occupants of nursing homes or other hospitals to pop-in for a jab.

Unfortunately, reactions like yours will be the reason we end up binning more doses than we need, not less. At least in the short term.

You'd rather a few doses ended up in the bin to save your outrage?

I'd rather we use as many doses as possible, that's ultimately better for all of us.

Lundstram

Graham wrote: »

Can't imagine it's a great idea to have open vials of vaccine trotting around the streets nor encouraging occupants of nursing homes or other hospitals to pop-in for a jab.

Unfortunately, reactions like yours will be the reason we end up binning more doses than we need, not less. At least in the short term.

You'd rather a few doses ended up in the bin to save your outrage?

It's not OK to have open vials "trotting around the streets" but it's a good idea to bring them home and stick them into kids?

Contradicting yourself now.

Lundstram

fin12 wrote: »

Because it would probably have loads of paperwork to go through and by the time done, the vaccines. Would have been dumped. He properly knows better how the organization. Is run and made the choice that it was going to be wasted

Ah yeah all the paperwork..? Fcuk that. Stick them into the kids at home sure. Be grand.

fin12

Lundstram wrote: »

Ah yeah all the paperwork..? Fcuk that. Stick them into the kids at home sure. Be grand.

Have u heard kids shouldn’t get the vaccine or something?

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

Ah yeah all the paperwork..? Fcuk that. Stick them into the kids at home sure. Be grand.

Or see it wasted, I'd have no problem with it.

I honestly couldn't give a hoot who gets the leftovers as long as somebody does.

Waiting lists for locals is something that could/should be looked at, in the mean time just don't see a shot wasted.

One stipulation to that, no money/donations for shots.

Graham

fin12 wrote: »

Have u heard kids shouldn’t get the vaccine or something?

It don't think it has been tested on children yet (iirc). At the same time my opinion isn't based on the rumour posted previously. I'm more talking in general terms.

Don't waste a shot.

If we get 15% more shots from the vaccines we receive, that potentially knocks 15% off the length of our restrictions (approximately obviously).

Lundstram

Typical Graham. Totally ignore my question.

Do you think it's OK he brought them home for his kids when it was just as easy for him to transfer them to a nearby hospital or nursing home? I don't see a difference in logistics there unless his kids lives very close to the hospital.

Whatever about the ethics, the optics here are just awful.

No shame whatsoever. Can see heads rolling tomorrow and rightly so.

hynesie08

He gave it to his kids!! Tar and feather him, and then....... Reads article

Two of the recipients are understood to be Dr O’Connell’s children, one of whom is college-going age, and is a paid part-time worker in his private medical practice. The other works intermittently in the hospital as an unpaid worker.

Oh, two extra healthcare/hospital workers got vaccinated..... That's fantastic.

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

Do you think it's OK he brought them home for his kids when it was just as easy for him to transfer them to a nearby hospital or nursing home?.

Flawed assumption; it's easy to transfer to a nearby hospital.

See my previous answers that state quite categorically:

I don't care who gets the extra shots as long as somebody gets them

Lundstram

hynesie08 wrote: »

He gave it to his kids!! Tar and feather him, and then....... Reads article



Oh, two extra healthcare/hospital workers got vaccinated..... That's fantastic.

Neither of them work for the HSE. They should not be getting the vaccine. End of.

Kermit.de.frog

If the vaccines are going to go to waste otherwise then may as well use them.

Kunta Kinte

Lundstram wrote: »

Typical Graham. Totally ignore my question.

Do you think it's OK he brought them home for his kids when it was just as easy for him to transfer them to a nearby hospital or nursing home? I don't see a difference in logistics there unless his kids lives very close to the hospital.

Whatever about the ethics, the optics here are just awful.

No shame whatsoever. Can see heads rolling tomorrow and rightly so.

No heads will be rolling so you can ease down on the ranting there. A non story.

Lundstram

Graham wrote: »

Flawed assumption; it's easy to transfer to a nearby hospital.

See my previous answers that state quite categorically:

I don't care who gets the extra shots as long as somebody gets them

So you agree you don't care that two guys on the bottom of the list got them over vulnerable person. Strange view to hold.

Keep your bolded words. You don't moderate this forum.

Graham

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the vaccines are going to go to waste otherwise then may as well use them.

That sounds like a remarkably intelligent use of a limited resource with a very limited shelf life.

I'd prefer to see a local register of close-by people, until then, just use it.

hynesie08

Lundstram wrote: »

Neither of them work for the HSE. They should not be getting the vaccine. End of.

Well, they did, so now two more people are vaccinated and no doses were wasted, double win.

dalyboy

hamburgham wrote: »

Not quite there yourself.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+red+rag+to+a+bull

I’ll await to be corrected. Haha

Kermit.de.frog

Graham wrote: »

That sounds like a remarkably intelligent use of a limited resource with a very limited shelf life.

I'd prefer to see a local register of close-by people, until then, just use it.

Sure if they had to be dumped the same people would be shouting it's incompetence or a bureaucratic scandal.

Can't win.

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

So you agree you don't care that two guys on the bottom of the list got them over vulnerable person. Strange view to hold.

In this story there were no vulnerable people who missed out because these shots weren't binned.

I honestly wouldn't have cared if he hopped onto a passing bus and started vaccinating the passengers.

I certainly wouldn't want to see it wasted due to some misguided sense of outrage.

hamburgham

dalyboy wrote: »

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+red+rag+to+a+bull

I’ll await to be corrected. Haha

Won’t take long. I’d look at the first part of your comment.

Kunta Kinte

Graham wrote: »

In this story there were no vulnerable people who missed out because these shots weren't binned.

I honestly wouldn't have cared if he hopped onto a passing bus and started vaccinating the passengers.

I certainly wouldn't want to see it wasted due to some misguided sense of outrage.

Agree 100 percent.

Graham

I'd be much more concerned about the amount not being used that where the leftover shots went.

I'd go as far as suggesting it should be considered an ethics breach for any medical professional to allow a vaccine shot to be wasted when there were willing recipients available.

fin12

Lundstram wrote: »

Typical Graham. Totally ignore my question.

Do you think it's OK he brought them home for his kids when it was just as easy for him to transfer them to a nearby hospital or nursing home? I don't see a difference in logistics there unless his kids lives very close to the hospital.

Whatever about the ethics, the optics here are just awful.

No shame whatsoever. Can see heads rolling tomorrow and rightly so.

Looks like they aren’t children but teenagers/ young adults.